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Garry Kasparov
Number of games in database: 2,349
Years covered: 1973 to 2012
Last FIDE rating: 2812
Highest rating achieved in database: 2851
Overall record: +779 -116 =766 (70.0%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games
      Based on games in the database; may be incomplete.
      688 exhibition games, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

With the White pieces:
 Sicilian (192) 
    B30 B40 B31 B50 B33
 Ruy Lopez (102) 
    C92 C84 C97 C67 C80
 Nimzo Indian (86) 
    E32 E34 E21 E20 E46
 Queen's Gambit Declined (81) 
    D37 D31 D35 D30 D38
 Queen's Indian (80) 
    E12 E15 E17 E16
 Slav (63) 
    D19 D10 D15 D11 D17
With the Black pieces:
 Sicilian (341) 
    B90 B84 B82 B83 B22
 King's Indian (157) 
    E92 E97 E76 E60 E75
 Sicilian Najdorf (111) 
    B90 B92 B97 B93 B96
 Grunfeld (98) 
    D85 D97 D76 D78 D87
 Sicilian Scheveningen (70) 
    B84 B82 B83 B80 B81
 English (34) 
    A15 A10 A11 A13
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NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Kasparov vs Topalov, 1999 1-0
   Karpov vs Kasparov, 1985 0-1
   Kasparov vs Kramnik, 1994 1-0
   Kramnik vs Kasparov, 1994 0-1
   Kasparov vs Karpov, 1990 1-0
   Kasparov vs Anand, 1995 1-0
   Kasparov vs Portisch, 1983 1-0
   Karpov vs Kasparov, 1993 0-1
   Adams vs Kasparov, 2005 0-1
   Kasparov vs Karpov, 1986 1-0

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS: [what is this?]
   Karpov - Kasparov World Championship Match (1984)
   Karpov - Kasparov World Championship Match (1985)
   Karpov - Kasparov World Championship Rematch (1986)
   Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match (1987)
   Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match (1990)
   Kasparov - Short World Championship Match (1993)
   Kasparov - Anand World Championship Match (1995)
   Kasparov - Kramnik World Championship Match (2000)

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   8th Euwe Memorial (1994)
   Linares (1997)
   Novgorod (1997)
   Russian Championships 2004 (2004)
   Astana (2001)
   Wijk aan Zee Corus (2000)
   Linares (1999)
   Sarajevo (2000)
   9th Euwe Memorial (1995)
   10th Euwe Memorial (1996)
   XXII Torneo Ciudad de Linares (2005)
   Tilburg Fontys (1997)
   Linares (1994)
   Bled Olympiad (2002)
   European Clubs Cup (Men) (2003)

GAME COLLECTIONS: [what is this?]
   Garry Kasparov's Best Games by KingG
   Kasparov's super simuls by crawfb5
   Match Kasparov! by amadeus
   senakash's favorite games by senakash
   Size GAZA by lonchaney
   kasparov best games by brager
   senakash's favorite games qgd by senakash
   Guess-the-Move Chess: 1990-1999 (Part 3) by Anatoly21
   KASPAROV GAMES by gambitfan
   Road to the Championship - Garry Kasparov (I) by Fischer of Men
   senakash's favorite games mini by senakash
   senakash's favorite games garry by senakash
   Garry Kasparov's Greatest Chess Games (Stohl) by AdrianP
   senakash's favorite games ruylopez by senakash

   Kasparov vs Karpov, 1987
   Kasparov vs Igor Ivanov, 1978

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(born Apr-13-1963, 51 years old) Azerbaijan (citizen of Russia)
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One of the greatest players of all time, Kasparov was undisputed World Champion from 1985 until 1993, and Classical World Champion from 1993 until 2000. Known to chess fans world wide as the <Beast From Baku> on account of his aggressive and highly successful style of play, his main early influence was the combative and combinative style of play displayed by Alexander Alekhine.

Early Years

Originally named Garry Kimovich Weinstein (or Weinshtein), he was born in Baku, in what was then the Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republic (now the Republic of Azerbaijan), and is the son of Klara Shagenovna Kasparova and Kim Moiseyevich Weinstein. At five years old, young Garry Weinstein taught himself how to play chess from watching his relatives solve chess puzzles in a newspaper. His immense natural talent was soon realized and from age 7, he attended the Young Pioneer Palace in Baku (where for some time he was known as "Garry Bronstein".*). At 10, he began training at the Mikhail Botvinnik Soviet chess school. He was first coached by Vladimir Andreevich Makogonov and later by Alexander Shakarov. Five years after his father's untimely death from leukaemia, the twelve year old chess prodigy adopted the Russian-sounding name Garry Kasparov (Kas-PARE-off) a reference to his mother's Armenian maiden name, Gasparyan (or Kasparian).


Junior Twelve-year old Kasparov won the Soviet Junior Championship, held in Tbilisi in 1976 scoring 7/9, and repeated his success in 1977, winning with a score of 8˝ of 9. The next several years were spent marking his rise as a world-class talent. He became World Junior Champion in 1980 in Dortmund, the same year he earned the grandmaster title.

National He first qualified for the Soviet Chess Championship at age 15 in 1978, the youngest ever player at that level. He won the 64-player Swiss system tournament at Daugavpils on tiebreak over Igor Vasilievich Ivanov, to capture the sole qualifying place. He was joint Soviet Champion in 1980-81 with Lev Psakhis ** and in 1988 Kasparov and Anatoly Karpov tied in the Super-Soviet Championship***. In 2004, Garry Kasparov won the Russian Championships 2004 (2004) with a stunning +5 score.

World On the basis of his result in the 1981 Soviet Championship, which doubled as a zonal tournament for the USSR region, he earned a place in the 1982 Moscow Interzonal tournament, which he won, to qualify for the Candidates Tournament matches that were held in 1983 and 1984. At age 19, he was the youngest Candidate since Robert James Fischer, who was 15 when he qualified in 1958. At this stage, he was already the #2-rated player in the world, trailing only world champion Karpov on the January 1983 list. These Candidates matches were the first and last Candidates matches Kasparov contested, as he declined to participate in the Candidates held under the auspices of the PCA in 2002 to decide a challenger to his successor as classical World Champion, Vladimir Kramnik. Kasparov's first Candidates match in Moscow was a best-of-ten affair against Alexander Beliavsky, whom he defeated 6–3 (+4 -1 =4). After much political ado, Kasparov defeated Viktor Korchnoi in London in the best-of-12 semi-final match by 7–4 (+4 -1 =6), and in early 1984 in Vilnius he defeated former World Champion Vasily Smyslov in the best-of-16 finals played by 8.5-4.5 (+4 =9 -0) to earn his challenge against Karpov. By the time the match with Smyslov was played, Kasparov had become the number-one ranked player in the world with a FIDE rating of 2710. He became the youngest ever world number-one, a record that lasted 12 years until being broken by Vladimir Kramnik in January 1996 and again by his former pupil, Magnus Carlsen in 2010.

At one stage during the Karpov-Kasparov World Championship Match (1984), Kasparov trailed 5-0 in the first-to-win-6 match. He then fought back to win three games and bring the score to 5–3 in Karpov's favour after 48 games, making it the longest world championship match ever. At that point, the match was ended without result by the then FIDE President, the late Florencio Campomanes, with Karpov thus retaining the title. Further details can be found in the match link at the head of this paragraph. Kasparov won the best-of-24 games Karpov-Kasparov World Championship Match (1985) in Moscow by 13–11, winning the 24th and last game with Black. He was then 22, the youngest ever World Champion, and broke the record held by Mikhail Tal for over 20 years. Karpov exercised his right to a rematch, the Karpov-Kasparov World Championship Rematch (1986), which took place in 1986, hosted jointly in London and Leningrad, with each city hosting 12 games. Kasparov scored of 12˝–11˝, retaining the title. The fourth match, the Kasparov-Karpov World Championship Match (1987) in Seville. Karpov had been directly seeded into and won the final match of the Candidates' Matches to again become the official challenger. Kasparov retained his title by winning the final game and drawing the match 12–12. The fifth and last championship match between the two, Kasparov-Karpov World Championship Match (1990), was held in New York and Lyon in 1990, with each city hosting 12 games. Kasparov won by 12˝–11˝. In their five world championship matches, the combined game tally was +21 -19 =104 in Kasparov’s favour.

Kasparov subsequently defended his title against Nigel Short under the auspices of the PCA in 1993, and against Viswanathan Anand in 1995. Five years later, in 2000 (Kasparov-Kramnik World Championship Match (2000)), Kasparov finally relinquished his crown to his former student, Vladimir Kramnik who was granted the right to challenge without having to qualify, the first time this had happened since 1935, when Alexander Alekhine selected Max Euwe as his challenger. Subsequently, Kasparov remained the top rated player in the world, ahead of both Kramnik and the FIDE World Champions, on the strength of a series of wins in major tournaments.

Under the "Prague Agreement” which was put together by Yasser Seirawan to reunite the two titles, Kasparov was to play a match against the 2002 FIDE World Champion Ruslan Ponomariov in September 2003. But this match was cancelled when Ponomariov was dissatisfied with the terms of the contract. Subsequent plans for a match against 2004 FIDE World Champion Rustam Kasimdzhanov, to be held in January 2005 in the United Arab Emirates fell through due to lack of funding. Shortly after this, Kasparov announced his retirement from competitive chess.

In an interview in 2007, Kasparov said that <…my decision in 1993 to break away from the world chess federation, FIDE, with Nigel Short was the worst mistake of my career. It was a serious miscalculation on my part. I thought we could start fresh with a professional organisation, but there was little support among the players. It led to short-term progress in commercial sponsorship for chess, but in the long run hurt the game...> ****

Classical Tournaments

In 1978, Kasparov won the Sokolsky Memorial tournament in Minsk as a wild card entry, a victory which convinced Kasparov he could aim for the World Championship. He played in a grandmaster tournament in Banja Luka, Yugoslavia in 1979 while still unrated, due to Korchnoi’s withdrawal. He took first place with an undefeated record, two points ahead of the field. Game Collection: Banja Luka 1979 He emerged with a provisional rating of 2595, immediately landing at world number 15, a feat only surpassed by Gata Kamsky in July 1990. His first win in a superclass-level international tournament was scored at Bugojno, Yugoslavia in 1982 and his win in Linares in 2002 is the tenth victory in a record for the most consecutive victories in super tournaments: Linares 4 (1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, Wijk aan Zee 3 (1999, 2000, 2001), Sarajevo 2 (1999, 2000) and Astana 1 (2001). Kasparov also holds the record for most consecutive professional tournament victories, placing first or equal first in 15 individual tournaments from 1981 to 1990. It started with the 1981 USSR Championship and finished in Linares in 1990. His five epic title matches against Karpov were held during this period. Subsequently, Kasparov won Linares again in 1992, 1993, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002 and 2005, the latter being his swan song from the game.


Kasparov played in eight Olympiads. He represented the Soviet Union four times, in 1980, 1982, 1986 and 1988, and Russia four times: in 1992, 1994, 1996 and 2002 playing board 1 on each occasion apart from 1980 (2nd reserve) and 1982 (2nd board). In 82 games, he scored (+50 =29 -3), for 78.7% and won a total of 19 medals, including 8 team gold medals, 5 board golds, 2 performance golds, 2 performance silvers and 2 board bronzes. Kasparov also represented the USSR once in Youth Olympiad competition at Graz in 1981, when he played board 1 for the USSR board 1, scoring 9/10 (+8 =2 -0), the team winning the gold medal.

Team chess

Kasparov made his international teams debut for the USSR at age 16 in the 1980 European Team Championship at Skara and played for Russia in the 1992 edition of that championship. He won a total of five medals including at Skara 1980, as USSR 2nd reserve, 5˝/6 (+5 =1 -0), team gold, board gold and at Debrecen 1992, Russia board 1, 6/8 (+4 =4 -0), team gold, board gold, performance silver.


<Computer> Kasparov defeated the chess computer Deep Thought (Computer) in both games of a two-game match in 1989. In February 1996, he defeated IBM's chess computer Deep Blue (Computer) with three wins and two draws and one loss. In 1997, an updated version of Deep Blue defeated Kasparov 3˝–2˝ in a highly publicised six-game match. The match was even after five games but Kasparov lost Game 6 - Deep Blue vs Kasparov, 1997 - to lose the match. This was the first time a computer had ever defeated a world champion in match play. In January 2003, he played and drew a six game FIDE Man-Machine WC (2003) match against Deep Junior (Computer). In November 2003, he played and drew a four-game Man-Machine World Chess Championship (2003) against the computer program X3D Fritz (Computer) X3D Fritz, although he was constrained through the use of a virtual board, 3D glasses and a speech recognition system.

<Human – classical> Kasparov played several matches apart from his matches in the World Championship cycles. Full details can be seen at Game Collection: Match Kasparov!.

<Human – rapid> In 1998, Kasparov played a blitz match against Kramnik in Moscow, that match being drawn +7-7=10. He fared better in the 2000 internet blitz match against Judit Polgar, winning one and drawing one. The following year, he played a blitz match against the many times Greek speed chess champion Hristos Banikas of Greece, winning 5 and drawing one. In his 2002 blitz against Elisabeth Paehtz in Munich, he won 6-0. Later in 2002, Kasparov lost a four game rapid match (+1 -2 =1) over two days in December 2002 in New York City against Anatoly Karpov. In 2009 in Valencia, Spain, he again played Karpov, and won the Kasparov-Karpov Rapid Match (2009) 3-1 and the Kasparov-Karpov Blitz Match (2009) by 6-2. In 2011, as part of his Chess In Schools campaign, he played a two game Kasparov-Lagrave Blitz Match (2011) in Clichy France, winning by 1.5-0.5. A few months later in October 2011, he won the Kasparov-Short Blitz Match (2011) 4.5-3.5 (+3 -2 =3), breaking the deadlock after game 7 by winning game 8 to win the match.

<Simuls> In 1985, Kasparov played his first simul against a team, the Hamburg Bundesliga team lead by GM Murray Chandler, and lost 3.5-4.5, the first and only time he lost a simul against a team. In 1987, he played a simul against the same albeit slightly stronger team, but this time he was prepared and crushed the Hamburg players 7-1; later in 1987 he also crushed the Swiss team: Game Collection: Kasparov vs Swiss Team Simul by 5.5-0.5, drawing only with former World Junior Champion Werner Hug. In 1988 he played a simul against the French team in Evry (Game Collection: Kasparov vs French Team Simul), winning 4, drawing one and losing one; he played the French team again in 1989 (Game Collection: Kasparov vs French Team Simul 1989), this time winning three and drawing 3 games. Also in 1988 he played a simul against a group of powerful US Juniors, and won by 4-2 (+3 -1 =2)*****. In 1992, Kasparov played a clock simul against the German team ( Game Collection: Kasparov vs German National Team Simul) which included former title contender Vlastimil Hort with whom he drew, winning 2 and drawing 2. He played a simul against the Argentinean team (Game Collection: Kasparov vs Argentinian Team Simul) winning (+7 -1 =4); in 1998 he played the Israeli team (Game Collection: Kasparov vs Israeli National Team Simul) winning 7-1, and in 2001 he played the Czech team (Game Collection: Kasparov vs Czech National Team Simul) in Prague, winning by +4 -1 =3.


Kasparov's ratings achievements include being rated world #1 according to Elo rating almost continuously from 1986 until his retirement in 2005. He was the world number-one ranked player for 255 months, a record that far outstrips all other previous and current number-one ranked players. Kasparov had the highest Elo rating in the world continuously from 1986 to 2005. However, Vladimir Kramnik equaled him in the January 1996 FIDE ratings list, technically supplanting him because he played more games. He was also briefly ejected from the list following his split from FIDE in 1993, but during that time he headed the rating list of the rival PCA. At the time of his retirement, he was still ranked #1 in the world, with a rating of 2812. In January 1990 Kasparov achieved the (then) highest FIDE rating ever, passing 2800 and breaking Bobby Fischer's old record of 2785. On the July 1999 and January 2000 FIDE rating lists Kasparov reached a 2851 Elo rating, which became the highest rating ever achieved until surpassed by Magnus Carlsen in 2013. There was a time in the early 1990s when Kasparov was over 2800 and the only person in the 2700s was Anatoly Karpov.


Under Kasparov's tutelage, Carlsen became the youngest ever to achieve a FIDE rating higher than 2800, and the youngest ever world number one. Kasparov also assisted Anand’s preparation for the Anand-Topalov World Chess Championship (2010) against challenger Veselin Topalov. Since his retirement, Kasparov has concentrated much of his time and energy in Russian politics. He is also a prolific author, most famously his <My Great Predecessors> series. His politics and authorship are discussed at some detail in the wiki article and at his official website cited below. In 2007, he was ranked 25th in The Daily Telegraph's list of 100 greatest living geniuses and has won 11 Chess Oscars.

Kasparov has been married three times: first to Masha, with whom he had a daughter, Polina (b. 1993), before divorcing; to Yulia, with whom he had a son, Vadim (b. 1996) before their 2005 divorce; and to Daria, with whom he also has a daughter, Aida (b. 2006).

Biography: Kasparov’s official website: Kasparov Chess Foundation: http://www.kasparovchessfoundation.... ]

*; ** [rusbase-1]; *** [rusbase-2]; **** [rusbase-3]; *****

Wikipedia article: Kasparov

 page 1 of 94; games 1-25 of 2,349  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves Year Event/LocaleOpening
1. Kasparov vs S Muratkuliev 1-032 1973 Baku tt U18C77 Ruy Lopez
2. Kasparov vs O Vasilchenko 1-040 1973 KievC03 French, Tarrasch
3. E Kengis vs Kasparov ½-½54 1973 Vilnius LTUB88 Sicilian, Fischer-Sozin Attack
4. E Magerramov vs Kasparov 0-135 1973 BakuB54 Sicilian
5. Kasparov vs Averbakh 1-048 1974 Moscow clock simC68 Ruy Lopez, Exchange
6. Kasparov vs Gorelov 1-058 1975 BakuC61 Ruy Lopez, Bird's Defense
7. Kasparov vs B Kantsler 1-032 1975 Junior competitionC00 French Defense
8. E Vladimirov vs Kasparov ½-½30 1975 VilniusE17 Queen's Indian
9. Kasparov vs Smyslov 0-130 1975 Team GM/Young PioneersC60 Ruy Lopez
10. Tilichkin vs Kasparov 0-143 1975 BakuB87 Sicilian, Fischer-Sozin with ...a6 and ...b5
11. Kasparov vs Yurtaev 0-144 1975 BakuB39 Sicilian, Accelerated Fianchetto, Breyer Variation
12. Rizvonov vs Kasparov 0-137 1975 VilniusE17 Queen's Indian
13. Kasparov vs Yermolinsky 0-148 1975 BakuB05 Alekhine's Defense, Modern
14. Einoris vs Kasparov 0-142 1975 BakuB59 Sicilian, Boleslavsky Variation, 7.Nb3
15. Kasparov vs Yermolinsky 0-148 1975 LeningradB67 Sicilian, Richter-Rauzer Attack, 7...a6 Defense, 8...Bd7
16. Dvoirys vs Kasparov ½-½45 1975 BakuB89 Sicilian
17. Kasparov vs A Sokolov 1-032 1975 BakuB67 Sicilian, Richter-Rauzer Attack, 7...a6 Defense, 8...Bd7
18. Karpov vs Kasparov 1-045 1975 LeningradB92 Sicilian, Najdorf, Opocensky Variation
19. Kasparov vs E Kengis ½-½27 1975 BakuB52 Sicilian, Canal-Sokolsky (Rossolimo) Attack
20. Korchnoi vs Kasparov ½-½42 1975 Palace of Pioneers sim.E80 King's Indian, Samisch Variation
21. O Pavlenko vs Kasparov 0-134 1975 BakuE71 King's Indian, Makagonov System (5.h3)
22. Kasparov vs Polugaevsky ½-½25 1975 LeningradB40 Sicilian
23. Yudasin vs Kasparov 0-146 1976 TbilisiA07 King's Indian Attack
24. L Roos vs Kasparov 0-125 1976 WattigniesB23 Sicilian, Closed
25. Kasparov vs D Kaiumov 1-036 1976 MoscowB10 Caro-Kann
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Kasparov on Kasparov: Part I

Kibitzer's Corner
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May-27-11  BraveUlysses: *Yawn*

Boringly, there is yet another know-nothing Fischer-fan embarrassing himself with his nonsense that "Fischer was better than Kasparov" and was "the greatest" with the "greatest impact", whatever that means.

Clearly <fab4> lacks chess knowledge- either of the recorded game scores (which speak for themselves- Kasparov's record dwarf's Bobby's) and particularly of chess history. Kasparov's contributions to the literature and to theory vastly outrank Bobby's. Kasparov's world domination for over 20 years against a hoarde of hungry and brilliant GMs including the great Karpov simply places him in a league above Bobby as a chess player. Kasparov's brilliancies were often against the very best opposition, not so much for Bobby.

Bobby's innate talent was quite arguably one of the greatest, even up there with for e.g. Alekhine, Morphy, Capa and Kasparov, but his achievement was modest in real terms. Yes, he played some stupendous games and was unbeatable for several years, but he couldn't sustain it because of his personal problems, probably to do with having Asperger's Syndrome, a paranoid personality disorder or other issue which he couldn't really help. Many other players have equalled his feats over the board- on their day.

All chess lovers appreciate Fischer and his story, he definitely ignited great interest in the sport (only because he was American and could match it with the Russians) and no-one seeks to denigrate the man (rest his soul), but he became the first global chess celebrity and like most celebrity the reality was something different.

Rating Bobby above Kasparov is much like insisting The Bee Gees were better musicians than Miles Davis: laughable to anyone who actually knows about music. Popularity and celebrity (ie reflecting the assessment of the masses) does not equal quality or reality.

Please, <fab4>, bore us no more.

May-27-11  Ulhumbrus: To give just one example of how interesting a match between Kasparov and Fischer might have been, if it had taken place before 1992, either player might have put the other's Sicilian Najdorf to the test.

A match between Kasparov and Fischer before 1992 might have been as interesting as a match between Lasker and Alekhine, or between Lasker and Nimzowitsch or between Morphy and Steinitz.

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  boz: <BraveUlysses> Comparing Fischer to the Bee Gees is more laughable than anything fab4 ever said. You overstate your argument and lose all credibility.
May-27-11  BUNA: <Ulhumbrus: To give just one example of how interesting a match between Kasparov and Fischer might have been, if it had taken place before 1992, either player might have put the other's Sicilian Najdorf to the test.>

But why should they have met? Remember: Fischer considered Kasparov to be a cheater. (Or more precisely all of Karpovs matches to be results of collusion.)

And in this regard Kasparov was quite similar: He called his colleages, that fought in Las Vegas, "tourists".

So on one hand both ridiculed the achievements of their colleages, and on the other hand they both were known as "hard working" and "loving the game". Which ment first of all to study the games and ideas of "cheaters" and "tourists". =)

Fischer learnt Russian to get a grip on the most advanced ideas of his time, Kasparov had a close relationship with chessbase from the beginning, to avoid of missing out on any interesting game.

And so we end up on a well-know notion. "Dwarfs, that stand on the shoulders of giants." And sure there are dwarfs that are still taller. =)

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"How Deep Is Your Love" = promising junior from the Botvinnik School

"Too Much Heaven" = Surprising run through Candidates Matches to face Karpov in 1984

"Stayin' Alive" = First WC Match against Karpov postponed after endless string of draws

"You Win Again" = WC Match wins over Karpov in 1985, 1986, 1987 & 1990

"Night Fever" = Brilliant games representing USSR in Olympiads, burning the midnight oil

"Tragedy" = Kasparov splits from FIDE in 1993

"Jive Talkin'" = WC Match win over Short in 1993 ("It will be Short!")

"Nights On Broadway" = WC Match win over Anand, NYC 1995

"He's a Liar" = Shirov had no contract as the rightful Challenger after Cazorla 1998

"How Can You Mend a Broken Heart" = WC Match loss against Kramnik, London 2000

"More Than a Woman" = Took back a Knight move against Judit Polgar

"You Should Be Dancing" = Retired after winning Linares 2005

"Love You Inside Out" = OMGP

"One" = Best player of all time

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  PinnedPiece: <tpstart> Excellent!!!

Is there a DAVIS = FISCHER in the offing?


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  kingfu: I said it a long time ago:

As Mile Davis was to Music,

so was,

Bobby Fischer to Chess.

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  rogge: Miles Davis is the Fischer of music, maybe ;)
May-27-11  I play the Fred: Miles Davis never stopped making music. That's one way in which the comparison is faulty.

Maybe one of the great "brief career" musicians (Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Nick Drake) is a more appropriate comparison. But unlike them, Fischer didn't die young.

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  rogge: Just kidding. I was happy to catch Miles live during the Tutu tour (with Marcus Miller). Korchnoi fits the description better than Fischer, I guess.
May-27-11  Pygeum Lycopene: Fischer is to Kasparov what the Bee Gees are to Miles Davis. wow. thats a bit harsh, no?

a more realistic one might be the Monkees to the Beatles or Phish to the Grateful Dead. how about the Electric Company to Sesame Street, or even Barney to Godzilla.

Don't forget Barry Gibb survived the rapture.

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  Jim Bartle: How about Lester Young to John Coltrane? Roy Eldridge to Miles Davis?
May-28-11  BraveUlysses: <boz> and <Pygeum lycopene> are quite right, I made a poor analogy: comparing Bobby to the Bee Gees is completely off and I agree it didn't help my argument. <I Play the Fred> makes the excellent suggestion that Fischer was a Hendrix of the chess world (Morrison and Drake, both immortal but for mine not as groundbreaking or brilliant as Jimi). Many wonder what might have been if Jimi wasn't (probably) murdered, just as we all wonder what might have been if Fischer had not self-destructed. I still think Miles Davis is a worthy analogy for Kasparov- but just pick your favourite, absolute all-time great.
May-29-11  Ulhumbrus: Talented and industrious though pop musicians may have been, Kasparov and Fischer had to have spent a lot more time acquiring a lot more knowledge by means of study to acquire their mastery of their art.
Jun-03-11  Jambow: <They do measure proficiency in specific areas, but I would hardly call that an accurate measure of overall intelligence>

That's a lot better than your initial statement. What IQ tests measure they do fairly well, nothings perfect of course and IQ tests on any given day could vary substantially depending on the circiumstances and the individual. I bet Ivanchuk would have a larger standard deveation than the next guy for example. I too would likely have a larger than average standard deviation. I know playing chess online my rating would change substantially when I was tired, on the order of 150-200pts.

Probably what is more relevant in Fischers case is that his IQ was never officially tested and ancedotal stories are a poor substitute for objective measurements.

I read that Kasparov took an IQ test and scored about 135 pretty good but not earth shattering and far below some estimates touted like 165 etc...

Jun-03-11  drnooo: my definition of intelligence has always been one word doing

in golf iq would be low scoring avrg

words vocabulary

science math memory combining into product

etc in short product producing, and while there may be some overlapping, the only test is the product

as for iq tests they measure a very limited field not the recombining qualities necessary often for the broader bases in short Fischer needed help from Evans to write the notes for his book and Evans had those skills for style and dash but hardly Fischers for the movies and even Fischer dont forget said around thirteen all of a sudden he just got good his eight nine and ten year old stuff hardly compared to Capas or Resheveskys or many others so go figure suddenly his chess iq all of a sudden leaped the tracks where? somehow by his ability to recombine and he did great for quite a while till he went mad

Jun-03-11  drnooo: if you listen to Kasparov talk he has a fairly good command of English, but nothing startling would be interesting as a sidenote which of the famous Russians had the best English
Jun-03-11  drnooo: and whether you want to agree with him or not, Alekhine, at least someone here said he said it, that you do not really need a good memory for chess. Astonishing, if he meant it. So unravel that one if you like
Jun-03-11  Ulhumbrus: <drnooo: and whether you want to agree with him or not, Alekhine, at least someone here said he said it, that you do not really need a good memory for chess. Astonishing, if he meant it. So unravel that one if you like> Alekhine did say it. The BBC interview can be found on the internet. Alekhine may have been comparing chess with a game like blackjack, saying that during a chess game a player did not need to remember the moves which had been played before in order to play well from the current position.
Jun-03-11  drnooo: nice conjecture but still....perhaps he also meant exactly what it sounds like and that was way before card counting ever was even a glimmer no I suspect he was talking about his own method of just staring at a position say in adjournment and figuring out what the hell was going on or even in a game as it was flowing in short maybe he was right the great players create their own rules, nicking away at a position, just a chink till they can weasle in and start working their magic it took, to make a sudden leap to science, an Einstein to say he got e=mc squared by imagining himself a piece of travelling light at bottom I suspect the memory boys of chess can take it to a certain level but no further the geniuses of the game are out there where the busses don't run and can get there very well on their own without any wheels or schedules whatsover I doubt that Alekhine used much of his memory beating Capa, didnt have to since it was all qgdeclined, that was just talent and wearing the other poor s.o.b out and if there was ever an iq chess test of the highest order that baby was it
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  ketchuplover: Good luck to herr Kasparov(and europe) on his chess in europe foundation.
Jun-10-11  fab4: The ten greatest players of all time. In the game of Chess ... IMO.


Ofcourse it's highly subjective. But I feel my list gives credit and account for decades of chess dominance in the 19th century, and influence and innovation 'out of time' .

Morphy and Steinitz stood so far above their respective contempories it's not true. And both advanced the game of chess way beyond their eras 'comprehension and understanding.

Fischer is the 20th century equivalent to Morphy. The gap was just as great between him and his peers and as was Morphy's gap ..and he created unprecedented interest in the game outside it's usual spheres, just like Morphy did in the 1850's..

Morphy provided the catylist for catapulting 19th century chess into the 20th century.. Fischer provided the catylsi for catapulting 20th century chess into the 21st century...

The parallels are endless.

I put Fischer above Morphy, but you could easily swap them around...

Capa was and perhaps still is the most naturally gifted chess player to have existed. Again, during the teens and into the 20's, he stood way way above his contempories..

I'll leave it there.. due to considerations of zzzzzzzzzzz lol ...

But Lasker and Alekhine.. ?!

Botvinnik.. His influence was awesome.. on generations of chessplayers..

Gazza.. The slayer and titan of the late 80's and 90's.. tho I dread to think what some of the players on my list would've accomplished in the silicon age...

Karpov.. I see him as a very great player.. a combination of Botvinnik and Capa.. Just lacks the the influence ahead of his time ..and his influence in his time does not compare to Botvinniks..

Spassky/Tal... these belong together.. Not quite accomplishing enough sporting wise in chess, but touching the hearts and minds of so many chess players .. and both as naturally gifted as any player who's ever lived.. I love them both .

Jun-10-11  shach matov: One of the funniest and most SUBJECTIVE lists I ever seen!

it has been stated many times already that fischer may in no possible way be considered the greatest since during his career he had achieved much less than at least eight other world champions.

I think we already provided all the necessary data to show this to be a FACT!

Fischer clearly loses to Kasparov in at least four of the most important categories in regards to the qualifications of being "the greatest".

these include criteria like longevity of domination, title defenses, tournament records, etc. Fsicher clearly loses to Kasparov in all of these categories.

indeed Karpov also absolutely crushes Fischer in regards to tournament records.

and this list of Fischer's inferiority may continue for a very long time, I am sure almost everybody can add their criteria to prove this.

so it's a very subjective list like those of the most talented or the most famous, etc.

Jun-10-11  fab4: <shach matov: One of the funniest and most SUBJECTIVE lists I ever seen! it has been stated many times already that fischer may in no possible way be considered the greatest since during his career he had achieved much less than at least eight other world champions.>


Acheived? Fischer was and IS the template for THE modern GM in the silicon age. Kasparov FED off Fischer as much as he FED off computers...

Fischer.. achieved ?? .. what chessplayer in YOUR lifetime schachy has transcended our game as much as Fischer.. touched the world outside chess as mush as Fischer.. Inspired as much as Fischer.. and boosted the sport of chess as much as , .... yep.. Fischer..

You bang on and on about tournaments this and that .. but you're missing something big. lol...

My top ten takes into account IMPACT upon chess as well as charisma and genius.

Jun-10-11  maelith: fab4 is a joke, horrible.
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