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|May-22-13|| ||chancho: <Our technology may be getting smarter, but a provocative new study suggests human intelligence is on the decline. In fact, it indicates that Westerners have lost 14 I.Q. points on average since the Victorian Era.>|
|May-22-13|| ||johnlspouge: < <cormier> wrote: However, that leaves 14 North American retailers that are shirking responsibility for any future workplace deaths by refusing to sign the accord. >|
Quite correct: I should have excerpted from the link. Thanks.
|May-22-13|| ||hedgeh0g: <<OCF: Is saying someone is "dishonest" the same as saying they are a "liar"?>
<Abdel: Is outright lying the only way to be dishonest? >|
I asked first. Do you practice being smarmy or does it come naturally?>
As though it weren't obvious enough already, the answer to your question would be "No".
Now enjoy your three-month vacation where you'll conveniently return when everyone has forgotten you were tasked with answering a question of your own.
|May-22-13|| ||Abdel Irada: <OhioChessFan: <OCF: Is saying someone is "dishonest" the same as saying they are a "liar"?>|
<Abdel: Is outright lying the only way to be dishonest? >
I asked first.>
Thank you for demonstrating exactly the distinction I had in mind.
To make it plain: To my knowledge, you have never actually *lied* on this forum. But I have often seen you use fallacious arguments, strategic silences and casuistry, techniques many might consider dishonest.
Whether you agree with that last judgment or not, I think the example serves to show why my question answers yours.
<Do you practice being smarmy or does it come naturally?>
I am but your humble apprentice. ;-)
|May-22-13|| ||Colonel Mortimer: <OCF: Is saying someone is "dishonest" the same as saying they are a "liar"?>|
There are questions, and then there are rhetorical questions.
As a footnote: <OCF> you seem to have a hang up about 'lying'. You've accused many people of 'lying' on this forum. What's it all about? Did you mean 'dishonest' instead?
Don't confuse the two, they ARE different. Words mean things remember!
|May-22-13|| ||OneArmedScissor: Why is <Abdel> obsessed with the jews?|
|May-22-13|| ||hedgeh0g: <Why is <Abdel> obsessed with the jews?>|
Because you were adopted. Now go away.
|May-22-13|| ||diceman: <OneArmedScissor: Why is <Abdel> obsessed with the jews?>|
Read PAGE 9 of the Terrorteer Handbook.
|May-22-13|| ||Colonel Mortimer: <OCF> <I asked first.> Such entitlement.|
|May-22-13|| ||diceman: <cormier: noting is imposible to God ... lol ....>|
Lets see him make a man out of Abdel.
|May-22-13|| ||Colonel Mortimer: <OCF> Were you the kid in the playground that others shunned?|
Note the example of a rhetorical question:)
|May-22-13|| ||benjinathan: <Were you the kid in the playground that others shunned?>|
I suspect that goes for many around here - this is a chess website after all ;0
|May-22-13|| ||OhioChessFan: <OCF> <I asked first.> |
<CM: Such entitlement.>
If <you> are entitled to call someone else a moron, AJ is entitled to call someone else a megalomaniac.
|May-22-13|| ||OhioChessFan: <Were you the kid in the playground that others shunned?>|
<benji: I suspect that goes for many around here - this is a chess website after all ;0 >
Yeah, cause I kept winning their lunch money in blitz.
|May-22-13|| ||Travis Bickle: <diceman: Lets see him make a man out of Abdel.> Let's see him make a man out of Cu^& Mortimer. ; P|
|May-22-13|| ||diceman: <Abdel Irada:
I would characterize you as the most dishonest and unscrupulous poster in this forum.>
No, you are.
(Wow, diceman has entered the hallowed halls of our most deeply intellectual posters, it can only be down from here)
<the hallowed halls of our most deeply intellectual posters>
they are definitely, absolutely, and positively, not Anti-Semitic.
…they will tell you that many, many, many, many, times during the day.
…because they aren’t.
Absolutely positively and most definitely.
Just ask them they will tell you.
(actually, if you wait, Abdel will probably tell you many, many, many, many, more times without even asking)
…it’s a little known fact, but that’s how folks who aren’t Anti-Semitic spend most of their day.
Absolutely, positively, and most definitely.
If confused just ask, they’re here to help.
|May-22-13|| ||HeMateMe: <king sac> Call it what you will. Places like australia, the United States and Brazil had immigrant white populations that were more successful at populating these lands than were the indigenous peoples. The land was sparsely settled, and the people there must have seemed primitive to the immigrants who came.|
I think this is quite a bit different than Japan attacking modern nations like the Phillippines and South Korea, to kill and conquor lands already settled. In the case of Japan and Nazi Germany much of it wasn't just trying to take territory, there was also an element of killing just for the sake of killing--the Holocaust, and Japan's active slaughter of unarmed chinese civillians.
It you want to beat yourself up over American westward expansion, fine. Turkey is a remnant of the Ottoman empire, and your ancestors have as much blood on their hands as anyone else.
|May-22-13|| ||Check It Out: I heard <HeMateMe> might be in the midst of a credibility death spiral (not that there was much to lose), so much like looking at a traffic accident, I had to take a look:|
<HeMateMe: The growing north american population of white colonists pushing the native americans off of their lands bears no resemblance to Nazi germany or the Roman empire.>
That's right. They weren't slaughtered and imprisoned in concentration camps. They just sort of…got bumped in to another area, sort of like a friendly heavy metal mosh pit.
<HeMateMe: <Mortsie> The United States has never been an "empire". We didn't colonize the world…>
No, those hundreds of military bases scattered throughout the world http://socioecohistory.files.wordpr..., along with the McDonalds and Starbucks to keep the troops well fed, don't constitute an "empire", more like a peace-keeping brigade.
In the 50's and 60's on Guam the locals were punished if they spoke anything but English in school and at their government jobs. Now their mother tongue, Chamorro, is all but dead.
That's modern colonialism. You don't have to massacre everybody. Just kill the culture.
|May-22-13|| ||HeMateMe: <Check It Out:> Way too righteous, get off of your high horse, boy. You probably have an IRA or pension plan that invests in these same multinationals you are bad mouthing. They are making money for you. And you are going to spend it.|
Foreign military bases? Maybe they are there to use high end eqipment which detects the building and testing of nuclear weapons. Maybe knowing such things about the rest of the world will save YOUR dumb butt, one fine day.
I don't think anyone here is defending someone who drives another ethnic group off of their land. I'm just saying that the disparity in advancement was much greater in the 18th and 19th centuries, setters vis a vis native americans, than in the 20th century when Germany and Japan went on massive killing and conquest sprees. The Americans in the old west took farmlands from indians. They didn't bomb cities and troop formations with an airforce. If you can't see any difference, fine. your ancestors are the same as mine, and wallow in guilt if you want to. I'm going to have a beer and watch the Heat/Pacers game.
|May-22-13|| ||Shams: <HeMateMe> <I don't think anyone here is defending someone who drives another ethnic group off of their land.>|
Aren't any of those bottles you stare at reflective?
|May-22-13|| ||King Sacrificer: <HeMateMe: It you want to beat yourself up over American westward expansion, fine. Turkey is a remnant of the Ottoman empire, and your ancestors have as much blood on their hands as anyone else.>|
Every time you answer me with a reference to Turkey, i remember something and feel good. I'm able to question and criticize my ancestors/country but you are not. If i was born and raised in New York, i would probably do the same thing and criticize both USA and Ottoman Empire. But if you were born in Turkey, you would bad mouth USA and tell how lovely Ottoman Empire was. Believe me, we have millions of such people here. You would be one of them.
|May-22-13|| ||Shams: <King Sacrificer> Spot on.|
|May-22-13|| ||HeMateMe: <king sac> I just said "I'm not defending anyone...." That includes the USA. How more clear can I be? I don't know what you are arguing here, anyway. As a descendant of the Ottoman empire, do you feel guilty over the killing of your muslim ancestors, as they pushed westward, over the past five hundred years? Probably not. Do I feel guilty over the plight of the American indian, 200 years ago? I wasn't there.|
If you can find someting more interesting to discuss, I'd love to take part.
|May-22-13|| ||diceman: <Shams: <King Sacrificer> Spot on.>|
Anti-Semites of a feather, flock together.
|May-22-13|| ||diceman: <King Sacrificer: Ottoman Empire.> |
Wow, I guess they didn’t have enough lazy-boy recliners?
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