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|Mar-27-15|| ||Jim Bartle: <wb> <karposian> OK, I surrender. It's just something I've gotten tired of hearing for years from people doing clearly dangerous things.|
|Mar-27-15|| ||Marmot PFL: <Well, I can understand that. There's a lot of prejudice against people with mental illness. If word had spread that Lubitz was diagnosed with, say, depression or schizophrenia, it might have stigmatized him, caused him to suffer discrimination in the workplace. He might even have lost his job. We can't permit that sort of thing.|
Right now I wouldn't want to trade places with the psychiatrist who treated him. Here come the lawyers!>
That's a Catch 22 as without psychiatric confidentiality many people would never seek treatment in the first place.
|Mar-27-15|| ||WannaBe: That's their stupidity, or their risk on their life. Living in the "Ring of Fire" zone for pretty all of my life, when it's my time, it's my time.|
In the mean time, I'll try to have as an enjoyable time on Earth as I can.
Maybe 20 years ago life in Peru was so bad, that the people didn't care if they lived or died? I don't know, as I was not there to see it.
That was around the time of Fujimori was elected president, shortly before or after, yes??
|Mar-27-15|| ||Jim Bartle: I think the cholera outbreak was in 1992, when Fujimori (elected in 1990 in the strangest election ever) and the armed forces staged a self-coup, dissolved Congress, suspended the Constitution, and Fujimori effectively became a dictator.|
|Mar-27-15|| ||WannaBe: Probably, the greatest and best thing about/of life, is time of death. Less you decide to take your own.|
When and how one decide to die (right to death, Shiavo, comes to mind) and how one decide to live, during the time on Earth.
Should someone take "Carpen Diem" to the fullest, or in moderation? Should I still save money, knowing California may very well be in the Pacific Ocean tomorrow? Or should I blow my money at the local Hooters?
|Mar-27-15|| ||Abdel Irada: <the enemy of my enemy is my enemy!>|
Oh, yes. That's worked out so well.
And by the way, Iran doesn't want to nuke you; Iran just wants to deter invasion, for some strange and inexplicable reason.
ISIS, on the other hand, would probably be happy to behead any or all of us, on the grounds that our having heads is an offense against their idea of Islam.
If you think Iran and ISIS are interchangeable, you are even more confused than I thought.
|Mar-27-15|| ||HeMateMe: Most people don't understand the Iranians. Even the Iranians don't understand the Iranians.|
|Mar-27-15|| ||WannaBe: <HeMateMe> That's OK, most people don't understand American. Even the Americans don't understand the Americans.|
|Mar-27-15|| ||HeMateMe: I understand some of them. I get through most subway rides unscathed.|
|Mar-27-15|| ||al wazir: <Marmot PFL: That's a Catch 22 as without psychiatric confidentiality many people would never seek treatment in the first place.> Duh.|
OK, I'll restate my point, sans irony: The medical and psychiatric condition of someone like an airline pilot, who has an obligation to safeguard others and who bears a life-and-death responsibility to the public, is a matter of public interest. It should not be kept hidden out of a punctilious concern for that individual's privacy. At the very least the psychiatrist Lubitz saw should have contacted Lufthansa/Germanwings and informed them that there was a potential problem. It could have been handled in such a way that Lubitz would not fear that he would be fired; maybe he could have been put on indefinite administrative leave and if necessary retired on full pay if the prognosis was poor.
Every year the POTUS, whose responsibilities are even weightier, undergoes a rigorous medical examination, and the results are well publicized. I don't know when this practice became _de rigueur_, but it wasn't always that way. Both Woodrow Wilson and FDR died in office, and in both cases the seriousness of their illnesses was hushed up out of a concern that it would be too upsetting if the public found out. Not quite the same as an overly protective privacy law, but just as bad.
|Mar-28-15|| ||WannaBe: <al wazir> I do not think W. Wilson died in office, perhaps you can show me evidence differently.|
|Mar-28-15|| ||Karposian: <al wazir: Both Woodrow Wilson and FDR died in Office>|
Woodrow Wilson died in 1924, three years after leaving the presidency.
|Mar-28-15|| ||Jim Bartle: I think Wilson was incapacitated for a time and his wife effectively replaced him.|
|Mar-28-15|| ||Jim Bartle: No, of course not. But I do think <aw> is correct that the public was kept in the dark about his condition.|
|Mar-28-15|| ||HeMateMe: Didn't Wilson live to see the creation of the United Nations (his baby, his pet project), only to see USA voters reject membership in it?|
|Mar-28-15|| ||Karposian: <HMM> Yes, but it was called the League of Nations back then. It was founded in 1920 during Wilson's presidency.|
I don't think we were ever a member of the League of Nations.
We co-founded the UN however, shortly after WW2.
|Mar-28-15|| ||hv.U.grwnup: <Since 1982, aircraft-assisted suicides (US aviation jargon) by commercial airline pilots have killed 421 people. If final investigation report into the March 24 Germanwings crash confirms that the co-pilot had deliberately crashed the aircraft, the toll would go up to 571. In a study the US aviation regulator released last year, it revealed that there were eight such cases in the US between 2003 and 2012. The pilot was the sole occupant in seven of these cases.>|
|Mar-28-15|| ||al wazir: <Karposian: Woodrow Wilson died in 1924, three years after leaving the presidency.> My mistake. But as <Jim Bartle> says, he was incapacitated in the last year in office, and his wife basically acted as president in his place (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodro...).|
|Mar-28-15|| ||Karposian: Very informative wikipedia article about Woodrow Wilson, <aw>. Thanks for posting the link.|
Yes, you were right. He had a stroke in October 1919. It was initially hidden from the public but not for too long, it seems. The wiki article states that the public became aware of Wilson's condition a few months later.
Of course, there was no 25th Amendment in those days, so I guess it was pretty unclear what to do constitutionally when a president was for some reason incapacitated.
|Mar-28-15|| ||HeMateMe: JFK was incapacitated, too. He was positively worn out from boinking anything with heels and a skirt that got near the White House or near his speaking engagements, all kept hush hush by the secret Service. |
If the media had been given free rein then, they way it is now, we might never have had Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald in the news. Jack Kennedy's serial boinking as a Congressman might have torpedoed his bid to be president. One story I read stated that he had nailed over 100 different girls before finishing college. The Adonis from Hyannis.
|Mar-28-15|| ||MagnusVerMagnus: Damn, he must have had all those chicks checked out by Daddy! I did 3 and got the clap, SMH|
|Mar-28-15|| ||al wazir: Harding, Wilson's successor, did die in office: <Harding's sudden death led to theories that he had been poisoned or committed suicide. Suicide appears unlikely, since Harding was planning for reelection in 1924. Rumors of poisoning were fueled, in part, by a book called The Strange Death of President Harding, in which the author, a convicted criminal, Gaston Means, suggested Mrs. Harding had poisoned her husband, an assertion which has since been completely discredited as false. Mrs. Harding's refusal to allow an autopsy added to such speculation. According to the physicians attending Harding, however, the symptoms prior to his death all pointed to congestive heart failure. Harding's biographer, Samuel H. Adams, concluded that "Warren G. Harding died a natural death which, in any case, could not have been long postponed."> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren...|
So conspiracy theories have a long history. State secrecy had its drawbacks then, just as it does now, but our Executive branch never stops trying.
|Mar-28-15|| ||Abdel Irada: Hmm. *This* might explain some things:
Do we have Koch-heads posting among us?
|Mar-28-15|| ||arifattar: The proof of the pudding .... while the rhetoric of the West vis-a-vis Iran is one thing, the actions on the field is diametrically opposite.|
|Mar-28-15|| ||HeMateMe: There would already be an agreement if Iran allowed their spent nuclear fuel to be taken to Russia for keeping. without the used plutonium, nukes cannot be made.|
with that in mind it is very hard to trust Iran.
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