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|Nov-30-15|| ||Gregor Samsa Mendel: <!!--Theists are more rational than atheists because theism is the more rational worldview.|
More to the heart of your point though, while theism is true, and theists believe that theism is true, theists still do immoral things, dumb things - even distasteful things. But this is a question of psychology and has no bearing whatsoever on the truth of falseness of the proposition "God exists".>
So events like the ISIS killings are a question of psychology, and not the fact that their version of theism compels them to kill? We should be investing a lot more time and money in mental health issues, on a global scale.
|Nov-30-15|| ||Big Pawn: <So events like the ISIS killings are a question of psychology, and not the fact that their version of theism...>|
The key word you used is "version". What do you mean by "version"? You mean their subjective interpretation of a doctrine contained in the Quran?
This is a question of exegesis, or a critical interpretation of a text.
This has absolutely nothing to do with the truth of falseness of the proposition "God exists"
There are reasons to think that God exists. These are not the same reasons to think that the Quran is true or the Hadiths are true.
Very basic, and you are missing that <gsm>.
|Nov-30-15|| ||Big Pawn: <jim>, you always accuse me of claiming to win debates and refereeing my own debates, but this is a classic example. |
I asked you this twice:
<<Jim Bartle: No, of course I'm not for equal rights for pedophiles. Don't be stupid.>
Thirty years ago that could have read like this:
<Jim Bartle: No, of course I'm not for equal rights for homosexuals. Don't be stupid.>
Before you already form your answer and scroll down the kibitz form, think about this.
<gsm>, a liberal like you, says that nothing is wrong all the time so we have to go case by case and make judgments like that. No sweeping moral judgments, because nothing is wrong ALL the time.
With this enlightened liberal viewpoint in mind, we can see how it would be "reasonable" for "progressive thinkers" to entertain pedophilia on a case by case basis too. You know, because nothing is wrong ALL the time, right?
Do you agree with "progressive thinkers" like <gsm> that nothing is morally wrong all the time, so we must go case by case and avoid sweeping judgments? If so, then that implies that at least some of the time, pedophilia is good (on this liberal worldview, not my worldview.)>>
First you dropped the point entirely. Then, once I hounded you, you said, <Oooooooh, the big bully <!!> makes his return.
As far as the question is concerned, I know the difference between adults and children.>
This is a great example of when I can call myself the winner of this debate and say
|Nov-30-15|| ||Colonel Mortimer: <Big Pawn:> <Theists are more rational than atheists because theism is the more rational worldview.>|
Is that what your father said when he used to take you into the back shed to smoke his cigar?
Please kneel to receive the Lord's peace etc?
You've alluded to this and you have my sympathy. But 'God' isn't the solution - I believe coming to terms with your experience is the only way to find peace. I would suggest that speaking openly and honestly about this with a qualified counselor would go a long way to healing your past and the hurt you continue to carry as a result.
|Nov-30-15|| ||ljfyffe: <HMM>older in the sense>Yes, up in the sense that it is down, high in the sense that it is low,
black in the sense that it is white. Learning the meaning of words would be be helpful to you as well as learning the history of New Zealand regarding 'fully settled.' If you don't know it, don't
make it up.|
|Nov-30-15|| ||OhioChessFan: <al wazir: Do you think that it's murder to take someone who is brain-dead off life support?>|
In certain circumstances, no.
<Even you must concede that it's not the same thing as killing a conscious, sentient person. >
We might not agree on the nth detail, but okay, yes.
<And maybe you'll agree that pulling the plug on someone who is brain-dead isn't a crime at all.>
In certain circumstances, I'd agree.
<How is that different from abortion?>
Almost everyone who'd be in favor of pulling the plug would insist on some medical evaluation that recovery isn't possible. That is, there's no hope of a future improvement to a better status. That's the difference.
|Nov-30-15|| ||OhioChessFan: <JB: I'm not! Did you see what <!!> called terrorism this morning?>|
Yes. I thought he was sarcastically using your definition in doing so.
<But I most definitely don't think anything by a Muslim is terrorism by definition and anything by a rightwinger or a Christian is not.>
|Nov-30-15|| ||Marmot PFL: Why American cops are more likely to kill
|Nov-30-15|| ||Jim Bartle: <Strawman.>
Well, <!!> suggested Dear may be a crazy person. Does anybody suggest Muslim terrorists are just crazy after they murder a bunch of people?
|Nov-30-15|| ||Jim Bartle: <OCF> on Planned Parenthood numbers on abortion and birth control: <You got nothing. Okay.>|
I posted the numbers. We got something.
|Nov-30-15|| ||ljfyffe: <BP><rational>You're going to feel a bit uncomfortable when you follow Dr. Strangelove down into that small bunker along with a bunch of fundamentslist Christian males and no females. Nevertheless, that makes you quite 'liberal' minded, though you must try to keep the thoughts of torturing babies and raping children out of your mind. I would suggest that you see a therapist.|
|Nov-30-15|| ||OhioChessFan: <Marmot: Why American cops are more likely to kill >|
There are some valid points. The appeals to more and better training in particular are justififed. But it's interesting there's no mention of how many American cops are killed. It's interesting there's no reference to the culpability of those who resist arrest. It's interesting that there's no mention of the cultural acceptance of resisting/fleeing police. Overall, it's really a liberal biased piece of trash.
|Nov-30-15|| ||ljfyffe: It is also troublesome to find <BP> sympathizing with domestic extremist terrorism because a Christian commits such a horrible act.|
|Nov-30-15|| ||Jim Bartle: In the past two years there have been more and more unarmed (or armed only with a smallish knife) blacks being killed by police, when no policeman is in any danger.|
These killings have been videotaped.
I guess showing a videotape of a policeman killing a man who is absolutely no threat is liberal-biased trash.
|Nov-30-15|| ||ljfyffe: <OCF>Your simplistic world perceived as consisting of only liberals and conservatives comes from a brain that must be rather small indeed.|
|Nov-30-15|| ||MarkFinan: There's a simple reason as to why American cops are more likely to kill. They carry guns! So do American criminalsthough, even low level petty crooks own guns in America. Plus with everyone owning cell phones (they ALL have cameras) there seems to be a Rodney King every week nowadays.. |
I'm afraid it's too late for America. No point locking the door once the horse has bolted. You can't take the guns from the police, obviously. You can't take the guns from the citizens because that would make the President a one term president, plus there would be rioting. I'm afraid you'll see police brutality every day now, that's not to say American police are any worse than the English police. Trust me.. If we had armed bobbies you'd see exactly the same thing over here. How many Americans would give up their right to bear arms? I'll bet it's a very low percentage of legal firearm owners.
|Nov-30-15|| ||thegoodanarchist: <Jim Bartle: <The very same thing could be said about Hillary or Obama.|
Don't ask for examples. You watch the news reports same as I.>
The hell it could. Hillary told one whopper, about landing at the airport in Bosnia. When the video was found she had to admit it wasn't true.
When Obama said he had visited 57 states, he later admitted there are only 50 states.>
I think Obama got the number 57 from an old Steve Martin bit about seeing a topless revue in Vegas:
<Wow! Look at the t!tz. There must be 57 t!tz up there.>
|Nov-30-15|| ||thegoodanarchist: <Big Pawn:> <Theists are more rational than atheists because theism is the more rational worldview.>|
This is the craziest thing I've ever heard.
|Nov-30-15|| ||Jim Bartle: Ben Carson when asked about the violence in Colorado Springs:|
<Unfortunately, there's a lot of extremism coming from all areas. It's one of the biggest problems that I think is threatening to -- to tear our country apart. We -- we get into our separate corners and we hate each other, we want to destroy those with whom we disagree.
It comes from both sides. So, you know, there is -- there is no saint here in this -- in this equation.>
Both sides? Really?
There is a very long and well documented history of violence toward abortion doctors and abortion clinics.
There is absolutely no history of violence by pro-choice people against pro-life people. None.
|Nov-30-15|| ||OhioChessFan: <JB: Well, <!!> suggested Dear may be a crazy person. Does anybody suggest Muslim terrorists are just crazy after they murder a bunch of people?>|
I didn't follow that, and don't quite agree it's valid, but okay. I'll let <BP> handle it.
<There is absolutely no history of violence by pro-choice people against pro-life people. None.>
I guess you're not counting the babies as pro-life?
|Nov-30-15|| ||cormier: Gospel: " Immediately they left their nets and followed him"|
|Nov-30-15|| ||cormier: http://www.usccb.org/bible/readings...|
|Nov-30-15|| ||Jim Bartle: <I guess you're not counting the babies as pro-life?>|
Exactly the response I expected.
If you are looking at violence associated with the abortion debate, there are many instances of violence against pro-choice people and institutions. There are no instances of violence against pro-life people.
This "both sides" stuff is such a load of crap. It's conservatives--not all conservatives--who have been violent in this debate.
|Nov-30-15|| ||Jim Bartle: Excellent response at Crooks and Liars to Carson's call for civility. Why ignore all the viciousness from the right?|
<Boo-hoo, Ben Carson. What happened to the civility? Ask Rush Limbaugh, who had no problem calling women "sluts."
Or your pal Sean Hannity, who routinely demonizes whoever he hates most that day.
Or let's just go straight to Roger Ailes, who wakes up every morning and goes to bed every night looking for ways to demonize and de-civilize our society.
Both sides did not pay David Daleiden to falsely edit videos to paint Planned Parenthood as a "baby parts" dealer.
Both sides did not unleash their social media minions to make sure that claim stuck in the heads of reporters.
Both sides did not equate the United States to Nazi Germany and the Affordable Care Act to slavery in one speech.
Only one side did that.
But look at Ben Carson, boo-hooing over how uncivil we've all become.>
|Nov-30-15|| ||cormier: Francis visited a mosque in a Muslim neighborhood of the Central African Republic's capital that has been a flashpoint for violent clashes, continuing his message of religious tolerance on the final leg of his African tour.|
The visit to the mosque in Bangui's PK5 district -- a Muslim enclave that has been the site of violent clashes with Christian militias -- was a powerful gesture in a country wracked with intercommunal violence in recent years.
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