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|Jan-12-12|| ||Caissanist: Well, there's a lot of room for third opinions between "Karpov would have defeated Fischer" and "Karpov knew he could hardly draw a game against Fischer".|
|Jan-12-12|| ||jackpawn: I'm old enough to remember the times, the mid-1970's. My opinion is that Kaspov actually reached his peak around the years 1976-77. He was winning all the tournaments back then in convincing fashion. Could he actually win a match against Fischer? Against the Fischer of 1971, no. But apparently Fischer lost his blind passion after winning the championship. Could Karpov win against a Fischer that was 10% weaker? I think it's entirely possible. |
In my opinion Alburt's statement was just silly. Whether Karpov could have won or not will always be an endless debate, but whether he won or lost the match many draws would have occurred. Alburt simply hated the Russians, which is understandable.
|Jan-12-12|| ||hedgeh0g: Fischer lost any remaining motivation to play after winning the WC - this much is clear. I think it's quite likely that Karpov, the young and ambitious challenger, would have posed a serious threat to him had he not forfeited the title.|
|Jan-12-12|| ||Shams: <Alburt's statement was just silly.> Yeah.|
|Jan-12-12|| ||rapidcitychess: Fischer-worship in general is rather silly.|
|Jan-12-12|| ||drkodos: Worship is silly, on any level.|
|Jan-12-12|| ||hedgeh0g: Unless you worship Jessica Alba or something. Then it's perfectly fine.|
|Jan-12-12|| ||drkodos: Touche|
|Jan-12-12|| ||TheFocus: Double touche!
One regret I have is that her children are not mine.
|Jan-12-12|| ||King Death: I'll put a vote in there for Evangeline Lilly, see this page: Doll|
|Feb-16-12|| ||Caissanist: <hedgeh0g: Fischer lost any remaining motivation to play after winning the WC - this much is clear.>|
I don't think it's clear at all. Fischer did in 1975 what he had done constantly since at least 1961--demand exact conditions for playing, and then refusing if his conditions were not met. It was a miracle, or actually several miracles, that he played for the championship in 1972. The Soviets apparently realized they could get the title back by taking advantage of Fischer's stubbornness and irrationality, and they did so.
|Feb-16-12|| ||keypusher: <Caissanist: <hedgeh0g: Fischer lost any remaining motivation to play after winning the WC - this much is clear.>
I don't think it's clear at all. Fischer did in 1975 what he had done constantly since at least 1961--demand exact conditions for playing, and then refusing if his conditions were not met. It was a miracle, or actually several miracles, that he played for the championship in 1972. The Soviets apparently realized they could get the title back by taking advantage of Fischer's stubbornness and irrationality, and they did so.>|
If Fischer insisted on his <exact conditions> every time there would have been no matches, period. In particular, there would have been no title match in Reykjavik, since Iceland was Spassky's first choice and Fischer didn't want to play there at all. So Fischer was willing to compromise sometimes. He made lots of demands before and during all his matches. Typically some demands were met and some were not (see Brady for details). Nevertheless, he played his matches with Taimanov, Larsen, Petrosian, and Spassky to a conclusion.
Fischer could have played any number of matches getting his <exact conditions> at any time after winning the title, and after forfeiting it also. He chose not to. I conclude that <Fischer lost any remaining motivation to play after winning the WC>. It's as clear as anything can be where Fischer is concerned.
|Mar-01-12|| ||whiteshark: "The older the player, the greater the odds his idol is <Lasker>!" |
~ Lev Alburt
|Mar-13-12|| ||whiteshark: Quote of the Day
"Nothing is dearer to a chess player's heart than his rating. Well, of course everyone knows he's under-rated, but his rating, its ups and downs, however miniscule, are his ego's stock-market report."
~ Lev Alburt
and FIDE's rating lists are like the quarterly financial presentations.
|Mar-14-12|| ||GrahamClayton: "In the Soviet Union, chess is supported by the government, and since Stalin's time they have used victories in international chess tournaments to propagandize the notion that the very best minds flourish under the Communist system. They will go to great lengths to get the most from their players. For example, sometimes during my matches I was wired and tested for blood pressure, heart rate, galvanic skin response, and other things. I was given amphetamines and tranquilizers on the day of important tournaments."|
Lev Alburt, quoted in Fred Waitzkin's article "Waiting for Bobby", New York Magazine, 11 June 1984, p. 33.
|Aug-21-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: Happy 67th Birthday, GM Alburt!
|Aug-10-13|| ||another user: Alburt has just defeated Kosteniuk in the third round of the Razuvaev Memorial.|
|Aug-21-13|| ||talisman: happy birthday champ!|
|Oct-10-13|| ||whiteshark: Quote of the Day
" Karpov knew he could hardly draw a game with Fischer, never mind winning one or two games. His only chance was to disrupt the match. So a whole arsenal of tricks was worked out, designed to upset the sensitive American, unaccustomed to such methods."
-- Lev Alburt
|Oct-10-13|| ||HeMateMe: He's half right. There was no way the Soviet contingent was going to allow Karpov to be pushed around the way Spassky had been handled. I'm assuming "dirty tricks" meant blocking irritating things that Fischer would do, like asking for the entire audience to check their wristwatches at the front door, because "I can hear them ticking".|
A match with Bob and Tolya would have been a close affair. Lev Alburt isn't as strong as either of them, so his word must be taken with a grain of salt. being a defector, he may have disliked communist party member Karpov, and all of the advantages the soviet hierarchy gave the young champion.
Alburt is a Ukrainian and that is one more reason for his not liking an ethnic Russian too much. Ukraine was subjugated into the USSR against their wishes.
|Oct-10-13|| ||Penguincw: < whiteshark: Quote of the Day
" Karpov knew he could hardly draw a game with Fischer, ... >|
So Fischer probably should've played anyway, since he would've won.
|Oct-10-13|| ||Monoceros: Whenever I see crap excuses like this for Fischer's churling behavior I have to think, it's not just that Fischer was dodging Karpov, it's that he was dodging playing <anyone at all.>|
I don't think it was fear, though. I think it was that Fischer, having won the highest honor in chess, immediately stopped giving a curse. What more, in his narrow mind, was there to prove?
|Feb-09-14|| ||offramp: Hey kids!! Why don't we put on a Fischer-Karpov argument right here!!?|
|Feb-09-14|| ||perfidious: I think Jessica Biel is the greatest. Period.|
|Feb-09-14|| ||HeMateMe: Check out this cheesy book cover with a blonde babe, Lev Alburt's 300 Positions (He's talking about chess positions, not something else.) I have this book, pretty good.|
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