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|Jun-10-11|| ||FSR: <Sho: What has been Mr. Khan's legacy in India?|
That is, all I've ever read about him seems to be from a western perspective. One would think that he would be the "Grandfather of Indian Chess" or something similar, but I've yet to read anything to that effect.
How is he remembered at home?>
I have no idea, but he was actually from "British India" and the area where he lived is now (after the 1947 partition of "India" into India and Pakistan) in Pakistan.
|Jun-10-11|| ||perfidious: <FSR: It's criminal that FIDE never gave him even an IM title. He was one of the strongest players in the world during his short career, and surely deserved the GM title. He was probably stronger than Carlos Torre, another player with a short career from a Third World country, whom FIDE did award the GM title.>|
When FIDE awarded their initial GM and IM titles in 1950, does anyone know what the criteria might have been?
It is amazing that Sultan Khan never got a title. He was a tremendous talent.
|Jun-10-11|| ||FSR: Elo on page 65 of his book "The Rating of Chessplayers: Past and Present" says, "Selections were limited to players then living, but not necessarily currently active, and were based on subjective and, to a certain extent, political considerations." Eleven of the players awarded the Grandmaster title were from the USSR, 13 from other European countries, two from the U.S., and one from Argentina. I don't know whether Pakistan, a country only three years old, was even a member of FIDE, so Sultan Khan probably had no one to lobby for him. It would have been nice if the representatives of the other federations had said, "Hey, what about that Sultan Khan guy? Is he still alive? If so, he surely deserves a title.", but apparently that didn't happen. On the following page, Elo writes, "Death came too soon for some of the strongest players in history, who remain unrecognized by the international titles carried by other players ...." He lists Sultan Khan as one such player - but given that SK died in 1965, this is rather misleading.|
|Jun-10-11|| ||perfidious: <FSR> This sentence by Elo from page 66 rather smacks of self-justification, near as I can tell.|
Let's see........27 players awarded GM titles in '50....that's Najdorf, Fine and Reshevsky as the three from the Western Hemisphere (can't really be anyone else, though it's odd that Kashdan didn't receive one), and most of the rest would also be obvious.
|Jun-10-11|| ||FSR: Self-justification? I don't know if Elo had any input into who FIDE awarded the GM and IM titles. FIDE didn't adopt the Elo rating system until 1971 or so, after SK was dead.|
|Aug-09-11|| ||Antiochus: 138 games him to download are here:
|Sep-02-11|| ||Meister326: Mir Sultan Khan was a great talent who could play with anyone. Too bad he went back to India, because it was a loss for the chess world.|
|May-12-12|| ||PhilFeeley: <TheFocus: <FSR> and <paris>
Just bought 7 Fischer books this weekend. No one bid against me. That rarely happens.
There are 7 Fischer books? I can only think of one. I guess you mean books about Fischer. Which ones?
|Sep-01-12|| ||Karpova: While he won the British Championship at Hastings in 1933, the Women's Championship was won by Fatimah (also from India) - she won with <großer Überlegenheit>.|
From page 253 of the 1933 'Neue Wiener Schachzeitung'
Does anyone know something about her?
|Dec-23-12|| ||samsloan: Do not blame FIDE or anybody else for this omission. Nobody knew where Sultan Khan was. He had just gone back to India with his master and had not been heard from since. Even his death was not reported in the news. Nobody in the world of chess even knew that he was from a part of India that had become Pakistan. Check the news reports from that time and you will see than other than an occasional question about "What ever happened to Sultan Khan?" there were no reports and nobody had any information about him, dead or alive. It was not until several years after he had died that we found out that he was dead.|
|Jan-12-13|| ||kingscrusher: Sulthan Khan video annotation playlist:
|Jan-29-13|| ||joegalby: there should be a great movie about this genius|
|Feb-27-13|| ||whiteshark: Photo: Chess champion of Great Britain, Mir Sultan Khan, plays 24 games simultaneous at the Empire Chess Club (London, 1931). http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...|
|Jun-28-13|| ||Badyl: Hi all,
I`m looking for a game by SK where he plays black side of exchange var of french. I remember white goes Bd3 before Nf3 so he plays something like c5 , then takes it with the bishop then puts his Q on d6 and after white kicks his g4 bishop with h3 he takes on h3 and next move goes Qg3+. Pretty standard thing but i wanted to see how he proceeded and cant remember. If anyone knows that game let me know. Thanks
|Aug-05-13|| ||anandrulez: http://www.chessbase.com/Home/TabId...|
Interesting to read that Mir Sultan didn't teach chess to his son because he thought its not the best use of time . I feel most of us who tend to get hooked with Online Chess should just read this piece :) Socially chatting in FICS is probably ok but not obsessively playing ... thank god my PC's eboard has crashed ... so that there is no way I can use it for a QUICKIE :-)
|Aug-05-13|| ||WCC Editing Project: <anandrulez> The problem with anecdotes about <Sultan Khan>'s life before and after his chess career in England is that they are difficult to substantiate with a primary source.|
This newspaper article from 1955, for example, relates an anecdote of Khan returning to India, and sometime later losing three games in a row to an old man, and then vowing never to play again.
The story then goes on to say <"Readers should take such stories with a pinch of salt, and I told my friend who related it to me that there is no meaning in believing such age-old stuff.">
The anecdote related by the chessbase article about Khan and his son does not appear in <R.N. Coles'> Sultan Khan biography; nor does it appear in the Khan entry in <Golombek's Encyclopedia of Chess>.
The anecdote does appear in <Hooper and Whyld's Oxford Companion to Chess> 1991 edition, on page 403:
<"He [Khan] would not coach his children in chess, his eldest son, Ather Sultan, recalls, but told them that they should do something more useful with their lives.">
The frustrating part about all this is that neither <chessbase> nor the <Oxford Companion> gives proper source citations for the anecdotes they print. In fact, they don't give any source citations at all.
|Aug-05-13|| ||WCC Editing Project: <anandrulez>, and others interested in <Sultan Khan> lore, and the provenance for that lore:|
I should also mention that Khan's biographer <R.N Coles> had good relations, and substantial personal contact, with <Sultan Khan> during his chess career in England.
So did <Harry Golombek>, who was actually <Khan's> boarding house mate In Ramsgate, August 1929, during the British Chess Championship. <Khan> played in the Master section, <Golombek> in "Section A of the Second Class" section.
At any rate, in <"Chess Treasury of the Air" (2002), Terence Tiller, ed.>, Golombek relates several intimate, and touching anecdotes that give us a tantalizing hint about Khan's personality.
For example, <Golombek> reports that they played many blitz games, and that
<"He loved to play quick games but, strange to relate, match and tournament chess were a trial to him. Partly, I suppose, this was due to his laziness; but I suspect that a more important factor was the feeling that he had to do not well, but extremely well, in order to <<<justify himself>>> to his patron [Sir Umar Hayat Khan].">
-"Chess Treasury of the Air"
Terence Tiller, ed.
Hardinge Simpole 2002,
|Dec-26-14|| ||TheFocus: <Sultan Khan had become champion of India at Indian chess and he learned the rules of our form of chess at a later date. The fact that even under such conditions he succeeded in becoming champion reveals a genius for chess which is nothing short of extraordinary> - Capablanca.|
|May-07-15|| ||zanzibar: <In the BCM a letter to the editor which was published in 1966, Mohammed Yusuf from Lahore, West Pakistan, wrote: |
<I have known Sultan Khan since 1918. He lives as a small landowner in Sargodha District in the old Punjab. The reason for his disappearance from the chess world is that his patron, Sir Umar Hayat Malik is Khan Tiwana died in 1944. Since then he has had no opportunity to to meet any of the players scattered all over the country. It well known that the English language skills of Sultan Khan hardly surpassed his writing skills. The secretary of the late Sir Umar usually helped him to read game records. Today, he has no one who could help him with chess. But yet, he is surely still the best player in Pakistan, and probably India.
He's a genius.
In 1966 Sultan Khan died in the same district in which he had once been born. Sultan Junior, his eldest son, remembered that his father did not want to teach chess to his grandchildren; for he said, they should discuss with their life something more sensible right from the start.>>
I translated this back from <Fateful Moments in Chess History> by Ehn and Kastner.
Perhaps somebody could supply the original material from teh 1966 BCM article?
|May-08-15|| ||zanzibar: Found this on Spraggett's site on Tartakower (= "he" in the following):|
<From his match with Sultan Khan’s slave (he lost narrowly) He blamed ”excessive optimism”>
1) Does anybody know Spraggett well enough to shoot him a note that Sultan Khan != Sultan Khan's slave?
2) What is the source for Tartakower's statement about "excessive optimism"?
|May-08-15|| ||zanzibar: Sultan Khan's amazing, but all too brief, meteoric rise to the upper reaches of the chess world is nicely demonstrated in his chessmetrics rating graph:|
It shows the progress he made during his first two years of exposure to the opening play of the Europeans etc.
And, after reading through the previous comments - it should be said that Sultan Khan should be considered one of the top-10 players in the world before his return to Punjab.
|Dec-22-15|| ||ketchuplover: Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan !|
|Apr-04-16|| ||offramp: What was his name?|
|Jun-18-17|| ||thegoodanarchist: <He passed away in Sargodha, Pakistan in 1966.>|
SK passed away in '66, according to the bio, but FSR puts the year at 1965.
Can someone please confirm the correct year?
|Jun-18-17|| ||FSR: <thegoodanarchist> The Wikipedia article on him, which was largely written by me, lists three sources and says April 25, 1966. When I wrote that comment saying that he died in 1965, I was probably just going off my memory.|
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