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|Jan-13-16|| ||visayanbraindoctor: <tamar> Nice quote. I did not know that Spassky was a fan of Keres. Come to think of it, Keres was 21 years older than Spassky, and the young Spassky may have idolized him. When Spassky sets his mind to attack, his style bears some resemblance to that of Keres'.|
Actually I doubt if Keres would ever have left the USSR by himself, but not necessarily because the best players in the world were there. After the war, he had family, relatives, and friends in Estonia and the USSR. No telling what indirect threat or pressure was placed on him to remain 'loyal'. He may have also been too much of a patriot to totally leave Estonia. Had he defected, he knew well enough that he would never see Estonia again for the rest of his life.
There are stories that Alekhine wanted to return to Russia, but obviously could not for political reasons. AAA I think left relatives behind in Russia, such as his brother (who got executed) and sister. AFAIK AAA never saw them again. If Keres ever engaged in personal conversations with Alekhine (or perhaps another 'defector' like Bogolyubov), he could have known about this problem first hand. 'Defectors' could never return.
On the other hand, what if Estonia somehow managed to successfully secede from the USSR, to become an independent country once again? If this happened in the the 1950s, then the scenario I described above would have more chances of happening. Keres would have become joyfully inspired. An inspired well motivated Keres could well have become the proto Korchnoi of the 1950s and early 1960s.
|Jan-13-16|| ||visayanbraindoctor: <perfidious: Spassky's <But it was too late; my KGB file had already been opened> is telling; had he not been a contender for the title at the time, one may speculate as to his fate for such clearly 'anti-Soviet' statements.>|
Yes the fear factor. And it must have been much much worse for Keres.
|Jan-13-16|| ||Sally Simpson: In CHESS November 1984 Spassky is reported to have said that because of the hostility shown towards him after finishing above Karpov in Linares in 1983... |
Game Collection: Linares 1983
...he finally left Russia for France.
The linked report states that Spassky came to the tournament suffering from flu and passed it onto all the other competitors.
Now that is what I call preparation.
|Jan-13-16|| ||perfidious: <Sally....The linked report states that Spassky came to the tournament suffering from flu and passed it onto all the other competitors.>|
Who said Boris not good communist? He share and share alike. That is way things are done in workers' paradise.
|Jan-13-16|| ||keypusher: <Sally Simpson>
<Now that is what I call preparation.>
That's nothing. Spassky had left for France seven years before. In 1983 he just made it legal.
|Jan-13-16|| ||Petrosianic: Odd tournament. Spassky beat the bottom 3 and drew the rest, Karpov beat the bottom 2 and drew the rest. For Karpov in 1983, it's the kind of tournament where you'd expect him to go +5-0=5.|
|Jan-13-16|| ||Olavi: This is off topic, but I would like to draw attention to Larsen's result in that Linares tournament. Plaskett scored +5 -8 =0 in London GLC 1986, and I think Velimirovic played one Jugoslav Ch in the early 70s where he had one draw out of 19 games.|
|Jan-14-16|| ||Howard: Actually, it was in 1984 (not 1983) when Spassky made it "legal". He played at a tournament in Yugoslavia back in roughly May, 1984, and it was stated that this was the last event he'd play in under the Soviet flag.|
He turns 79 this month, by the way.
|Sep-23-16|| ||brankat: As far as I can recall B.Spasky didn't have any problems leaving the (former) USSR and settling in France.|
In regards to an alleged KGB file, how about Bobby's files in the States? And all the other CIA and FBI files way back then and today.
|Sep-23-16|| ||Ron: <In regards to an alleged KGB file, how about Bobby's files in the States? And all the other CIA and FBI files way back then and today.>|
I don't think there would be much of CIA or FBI file re Bobby before 1990. Heck, Henry Kissinger encouraged Bobby to play for the 1972 Championship.
|Sep-23-16|| ||HeMateMe: Kissinger has outlived them all. He's the last major living figure of the Nixon era, early 70s.|
|Oct-19-16|| ||gars: <jussu>: do you really think that Josef Stálin and the KGB could really be called "some secondary factors"? If so, my congratulations for your unbounded optimism!|
|Oct-19-16|| ||Petrosianic: <Bio> <With his five second-place finishes in Candidates events...>|
Nope, only four: 1953, 1956, 1959, and 1962.
|Dec-20-16|| ||Eyal: An interesting ongoing series of articles on Keres's life & career in chess24:|
https://chess24.com/en/read/news/pa... (I: 1916-36)
https://chess24.com/en/read/news/pa... (II: 1936-37)
https://chess24.com/en/read/news/pa... (III: 1938-40)
https://chess24.com/en/read/news/pa... (IV: 1941-47)
|Dec-27-16|| ||ketchuplover: New in Chess now has The World Chess Championship 1948 (or something like that) available for sale. Enjoy!|
|Jan-07-17|| ||Kamagong42: happy birthday!|
|Jan-07-17|| ||gars: This is from <tamar> on Jan-13-2016: Spassky held Keres in the highest regard and felt he was superior to Botvinnik.
from the Kingpin Interview
<Boris Vassilievich, whom could you single out as a personality among chess players?
Undoubtedly, Paul Keres. He was the greatest treasure of the chess world. Being a man of great modesty and tact, he possessed the highest chess and general culture. His tragic destiny reminds of the end of Alekhine’s life. And if we remember that for some time there was chess rivalry between Alekhine and Botvinnik, I’d rather resort to some literary comparison. Keres was the Gulliver among the Lilliputians, he was a real giant. Botvinnik, I believe, was the leader of the Lilliputians. And that is the crux of the matter. As simple as that.
You always expressed sympathy towards Keres openly, even in the most ‘silent’ times.
In 1965 I was giving a lecture in Novosibirsk and I was asked why Keres had not become World Champion. This is what I answered: ‘Just imagine a young man who is only 24, who is already a strong grandmaster and who loves his Estonia, his small country which within a short period of time changes hands – passing to Stalin, a bit later to Hitler and again to Stalin. What does he feel when all this is happening?’ After the lecture some komsomol leaders asked me why I was so anti-Soviet. ‘Did I tell you a lie?’ I reiterated. But it was too late; my KGB file had already been opened.> What else can I say? Thanks, <tamar> and Happy Birthday, GM Keres!
|Jan-07-17|| ||Absentee: <‘Did I tell you a lie?’ I reiterated.>|
No, you just didn't answer the question, Boris.
|Jan-07-17|| ||paavoh: My hat is off for Keres. Such a small country producing so much chessic talent. He will always be remembered, and it is a great gesture that Tallinn has erected a statue for him.
Happy to have found it on my last visit to that charming city.|
|Feb-14-17|| ||MissScarlett: Falkirk Herald, February 1st, 1939, p.11:
<Mr Meek notes in London “Evening News”:—The remarkable development of chess in Russia may be judged by a recent simultaneous display given by Keres against thirty Leningrad schoolboys. They put up such astounding opposition that the famous master won only 11 games, lost 11, and drew 8.
Capablanca, Flohr and other front-rank masters have had poor results in simultaneous displays against Russian clubs in past years, but for schoolboys to put up such a performance as they did against Keres - the prospective challenger for the next world championship match - is simply marvellous.">
|Feb-19-17|| ||thegoodanarchist: <gars> thank you for such a nice post.|
<Boris Vassilievich> might have been the most decent and admirable world champion ever.
His respect for Paul Keres shows not just in this interview, but in his (Spassky's) demeanor and conduct of himself as a chess professional.
Does anyone criticize Spassky?? Of course not! Spassky is beloved, and rightly!
|Apr-14-17|| ||Boomie: Having such an interesting history and one of the most impressive playing records in history, you would think the CG Biographers would try to produce a good biography. Instead we are presented with this totally inadequate one.|
|Apr-14-17|| ||zanzibar: <Boomie> duly noted - maybe you should also drop a note in over at the Bistro.|
|May-22-17|| ||Granny O Doul: I just learned that Keres is the fourth-most spoken language in New Mexico. I couldn't wait to share the good news here.|
|Sep-10-17|| ||drnooo: these two fine posters, very knowledgeable as they are...and they are...oddly enough miss the point, as most of the best do about Keres. I've posted this before. KERES WOULD HAVE LEFT AND NEVER COME BACK, ESCAPED TO THE EAST AND THEN.....PROBABLY CHANGED CHESS HISTORY FOREVER. It is recorded even with a photograph of him and his wife during the turmoil of the second world war, they were poised to escape by boat and missed at the last moments and he was plunged back into the mess and never had a chance for another shot.
The 48 championship was as rigged as the Clinton Sandars affair: he knew by 1945 it was hopeless, he barely escaped hanging as it was in 46
Look at his bloody stats. They very nearly rival Capas and Fischers.
In their prime I would only put Capa ahead of him. Only Capa, nobody else. Bronstein 3rd. And only then Botvinnik...and Reshevsky after that. Had Keres fled to the west...Fischers claim to be being the best player in the west would have folded under Keres domination and record...he would have beaten everybody and it would have taken the KGB to take care of him with either poison or a bullet.|
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