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|Dec-21-18|| ||zanzibar: Old school - where real men play blitz with one hand on the clock, the other on the board:|
(Thanks to O.G. Urcan for digging out that footage)
|Jan-07-19|| ||Infohunter: Keres' record of defeating nine world champions in individual encounters was duplicated by Viktor Korchnoi.|
|Jan-07-19|| ||gars: Happy Birthday, Grandmaster Keres! We shall never forget you.|
|Jan-07-19|| ||Violin sonata: Happy birthday to the uncrowned king Paul Keres, his overall record was outstanding. I'm mostly learned chess from his book "Paul keres: the road to the top", and I think his analysis might be similar to John Nunn's analysis style.|
<nimh:That photo of Keres above is actually outdated by now. The open spot where the statue once was has been liquidated and a residential building is now being erected there.>
I think the picture above is in the tournament that is the same as the profile picture of Boris Spassky. Is that right?
|Jan-07-19|| ||nimh: <Violin sonata>|
It is 100% certain that it's the same room in the picture, but that doesn't guarantee they were taken in the same tournament. I don't know where and what year they were taken.
|Jan-07-19|| ||Nosnibor: <nimh> I think the photo was taken at the IBM,Amsterdam Tournament of 1971.Spassky did not play in that event. Keres finished second equal with 9/15 one point behind Smyslov who could well be the figure in the background.|
|Jan-07-19|| ||Stonehenge: Apparently he just chased Nona Gaprindashvili away:|
|Jan-07-19|| ||Nosnibor: <Stonehenge> It would appear that the photo was taken in 1965 and not 1971 and Keres tie provides the clue ! With regard to books of games played by Keres no mention is made by Winter of the trilogy written by Keres and translated by Golembek. These were published between 1964 and 1969 and are probably the best record with regard to both annotation and biographical content.|
|Jan-07-19|| ||Stonehenge: The photo was made in December 1964 at Hastings.|
|Jan-08-19|| ||Nosnibor: <Stonehenge> Thanks for that. I should have remembered this because in early 1965 Keres was due to come to Leicester to give a simultaneous display but had to withdraw owing to ill health. I was part of the team due to play him.|
|Jan-08-19|| ||JimNorCal: Sep 7, 2018 <nimh >: Is the Keres statue in Tallinn gone now? If so, a pity.|
|Jan-09-19|| ||nimh: <JimNorCal>
It is that way for the time being, fortunately. I'll let you know once it has been re-erected.
|Jan-09-19|| ||paavoh: Hi <nimh>, yes, please post the new location of his statue. Would be great to see it again. Thanks!|
|Jan-10-19|| ||nimh: Hi <paavoh>, you've already been to Tallinn, and visited his statue?|
|Jan-11-19|| ||paavoh: Yes <nihm>, a few years back in the summer with my family. We were strolling along, sightseeing, and happened to walk by. Of course, I recognized the statue right away but it was a lucky find, not by searching for it.|
Best wishes from Finland!
|Jan-27-19|| ||offramp: |
ANOTHER CHESS LOOKALIKE
I am watching <First a Girl>, a 1935 film that I am sure you have all seen.
It is a British remake of <Viktor Kortschnoi Und Viktoria Kortschnoi>, the German play where a female chess impersonator impersonates a male chess impersonator and marries a Tigran Petrosian impersonator by mistake.
The male lead is Griffith Jones, who is like two of the old peas in the old pod for Paul Keres. Have a look:
|Mar-15-19|| ||OhioChessFan: Man, his needs some bio work. Maybe I'll do something with it.|
|Mar-19-19|| ||woldsmandriffield: Wins against nine world champions, didnít lose to Karpov, convincing plus scores against Korchnoi and Larsen. Hard to argue against the proposition that Keres is the strongest player never to become world champion.|
|Mar-19-19|| ||keypusher: <woldsmandriffield: Wins against nine world champions, didnít lose to Karpov, convincing plus scores against Korchnoi and Larsen. Hard to argue against the proposition that Keres is the strongest player never to become world champion.>|
Gruesome scores against contemporary WCs Alekhine and Botvinnik; two games against young Karpov with White and produced only grandmaster draws; failed to qualify for a world championship match despite six chances (Budapest 1950, Zurich 1953, Amsterdam 1956, Bled-Zagreb-Belgrade 1959, Curacao 1962, Riga match with Spassky 1965). Korchnoi qualified twice and came within a single game of dethroning Karpov; Schlechter and Bronstein drew title matches; Rubinstein never even got a chance to play one.
Piece of cake, really.
|Mar-20-19|| ||woldsmandriffield: Although a Korchnoi fan, I dispute his claim is stronger than Keresí. VK failed in no fewer than eight candidate cycles, including 2 world championship matches (3 if you include 1974). Three other players actually tied title matches (Bronstein, Schlechter, Leko). Against Anand and Kramnik, VK had a 0-12 score if we go by poor results against two particular champions. And there is the 1-4 record against Keres plus analysis of their encounters to consider. The two great players are similar in terms of their persistence and longevity though.|
|Mar-20-19|| ||keypusher: <Although a Korchnoi fan, I dispute his claim is stronger than Keresí. >|
Well, that is a bit softer than your prior post. :-) I think I would give Korchnoi the nod over Keres (and give either of them the nod over Rubinstein or Schlechter) but I really don't know. You make good points, except for (IMO) this one: <Against Anand and Kramnik, VK had a 0-12 score if we go by poor results against two particular champions.>
That's just holding Korchnoi's longevity against him. It would be more fair to see how Korchnoi did against world champions in his own prime: Botvinnik (well), Smyslov (OK), Tal (extremely well), Petrosian (well, with the help of later games), Spassky (ditto), Fischer (OK), and Karpov (not bad).
|Mar-20-19|| ||Sally Simpson: ***
I'm not sure the claim is that Korchnoi was stronger than Keres.
Two great players with spectacular C.V's. Players of this stature are neither stronger or weaker than each other, they are on the same plateau along with a dozen or so other great players the game has produced.
The debate is who deserves to be called the uncrowned World Champion. For that head to head results and non World Championship games and qualifiers need to be left out.
Korchnoi battled his way into two W.C. title matches something Keres never quite achieved. (1974 could be used here but it was not an official World Title match - see below.)
Another claim is that Keres came 2nd in 5 candidates tournaments.
Korchnoi played in 6 candidate finals, (here we now count 1974) he lost 3 (to Spassky, Karpov and Kasparov) he won the other 3. If he had lost all 6 he would have bettered Kere's five 2nd places.
Keres holding the record for beating 9 world champions is an impressive statistic but should it be taken in consideration when talking about qualifying for or playing in World Finals?
But if we do include it.
Korchnoi has also beaten 9 world champions. (he never got to play Alekhine, Capablanca or Euwe - Keres never played Kasparov or Carlsen and never beat Karpov) Korchnoi has, at one time or other beaten the same other six as Keres.
Petrosian, Spassky, Karpov, Botvinnik, Smyslov, Tal and Fischer,
BTW, if some think the Paul Keres Bio is too short then look at Viktor Korchnoi
|Mar-20-19|| ||perfidious: From ten years ago, my own views on the matter:|
|Mar-20-19|| ||fabelhaft: <Korchnoi has also beaten 9 world champions>|
He came close to reach 10 last year, since he has beaten Caruana. But thereís still time for Caruana to make it ten for Korchnoi.
|Mar-20-19|| ||fabelhaft: If one wouldnít count Topalov as World Champion, he might have a case too. #1 longer than Anand and Kramnik, higher peak live rating than them, and bigger distance to #2 at his peak. Not bad for a non-World Champion if one would count him as that.|
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