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May-12-12
 | | Joshka: Kamsky, Short (mentioned previously) maybe even Svidler. Baseball looks like they are on the verge of getting a ballsy, cocky, new super talent in Bryce Harper. I'm sure the folks who were around and witnessed Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, would be just disgusted with what happened to baseball and its characters. "The Times They Are a-Changin":-) |
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| May-12-12 | | SimonWebbsTiger: @<Joshka>
Caruana, Giri and Carlsen. The choice of a new generation? IMHO, a bunch of nutrasweet, effing boring clones. They are more like their computers than characters developed through study and the travails of tourneys and getting laid (Aronian had to become a better chess player and find a girlfriend, ie, be a human too) |
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May-12-12
| | Joshka: <SimonWebbsTiger> <nutrasweet, effing boring clones> LOL well I was trying to be generous mentioning Carlsen, he at least I think, has the potential for character.:-) |
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| May-12-12 | | SimonWebbsTiger: @<Joshka>
they know PR!
Magnus is never going to appear on TV, training a hand weight, saying he does that because he wants the Indian to feel the power of his handshake. (Cf- the Garbus doc. on Fischer) Rumble in the Jungle
Iceland 72
A strong former Soviet Jew, living in Israel vs. Anand. Not a big sales pitch unless, like me, you have the deepest of respect and former knowledge of the two |
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May-12-12
| | Joshka: <SimonWebbsTiger> <feel the power of his handshake> LOL, Yes, maybe that's why Karpov would never agree to play a match with Bobby during the mid 70's. We read where they met 3 separate times, Japan, Washington DC. and another place I cannot recall. Bobby gave him that GRIP HANDSHAKE, dropping him to the floor:-) |
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| May-13-12 | | HeMateMe: <;-).<Joshka>..for you "Big Bang" enthusiasts, it wouldn't surprise me that the character Sheldon Cooper might have been modeled a bit after Bobby. I find it too much of a coincidence that their IQ's are 187. Pasadena is the shows setting. Of course the quirkish behavior for Sheldon is very exaggerated, but he also doesn't like to drive. In one of the episodes I fully expect Sheldon to stick a fork into his cheek, like Bobby was reported to have done;-)> Hey, I love it! a Sheldon/Bobby conspiracy. Could the show's creater be a chess fan? I love/hate Sheldon. Sometimes I want to punch the TV screen. But, BB is one of the very few TV shows I've watched as an adult. Could be the show's creator or head writer is a fan of mega geeks, in general. Super physicist Stephen Hawking has been mentioned frequently on the show (Sheldon is a Hawking groupie), and may already have had a guest appearance. |
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| May-13-12 | | Riverbeast: <Come on Carlsen, start getting cocky, you're the Ali of the current chess world ;)> That may not be Carlsen's particular style
If it's not genuine, or if it's forced, then there's no point putting on an act... Because that's just what it will look like Fischer and Ali really were cut from the same cloth (and about the same age)...They had a chip on their shoulders, they were the best in the world, and they wanted everyone to know it And they were charismatic and genuine...It was who they were Carlsen comes from a different culture...In Scandinavia, people tend to be more softspoken and reserved...Which is not such a bad thing, IMO But Brooklyn is an entirely different culture...Growing up in NYC, you learn at an early age to 'show power' ;-) |
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| May-14-12 | | HeMateMe: Tyson used to mug people, growing up in Brooklyn. He was a gang banger at age 14, in jail as a teenager. Boxing and chess are as dipolar as a hydrogen and a florine atom. |
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| May-14-12 | | Riverbeast: "What other place in the country, where you can walk out with ten grand in one night? Gee...I can remember hustling an old man for a dime a game" |
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| May-14-12 | | Riverbeast: Excellent short video of Ali training (and ranting) before the 1974 'Rumble In The Jungle', Ali-Foreman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5o-... |
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| May-14-12 | | Riverbeast: Any similarities?
Ali after the fight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6He... |
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May-15-12
 | | whiteshark: Quote of the Day
<Our mind is all we've got. Not that it won't lead us astray sometimes, but we still have to analyze things out within ourselves.> -- Fischer
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MmyrknOX5... |
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May-15-12
 | | harrylime: Fischer is the Ali of chess . He transcended , revolutionized, charismatized, innovatinonised chess in such a way that no chessplayer before or after has had such an impact .. Fischer is Fischer. |
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May-15-12
| | harrylime: And I forgot to add.. Fischer is the greatest chess player whos' ever existed. |
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| May-16-12 | | RookFile: Really? Wow! That's great, it's all settled now. |
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| May-16-12 | | HeMateMe: Ali/Fischer parallels:
1. Prodigies, gifted as youths. Ali was an amateur boxing champion, skill and blinding speed. Fischer was, well, Fischer. 2. Early dominance. Ali wins gold medal as a light heavyweight, 1960 Rome Olympics. In 1960 Fischer is USA champion, already in the world's top ten. 3. Not afraid to speak their minds. Ali "The Lousiville [Kentucky] Lip" "I am the GREATEST!!" Fischer: "When I win, I do it on my own. NO ONE helps me" 4. Polarizing effect on people. Blacks loved Ali, Many whites hated him for his swagger. Fischer--greatly respected for his chess art, but disliked in the same vein because of his unflexible demeanor. Fischer's problem got worse, Ali became manageable, a harmless eccentric. Playful. 5. Both missed the Vietnam war--Ali by choice, Fischer--by political intervention? 6. Both have holes in their respective careers, disappearing at the height of their powers. Ali is banned from boxing 1967-70. Fischer takes a couple of years off in the 60s, when he should have been playing Candidates matches against Spassky. Disappears for good in 1972. 7. Undisputed world champions. Ali, in 1962, and again in 1974+. Fischer, 1972, and much of the 1960s, if only by public opinion. 8. An Ali fight wasn't just a fight--it was an event, a media circus. Only he had such power. Fischer--Chess jumps in global popularity, people come to a tournament, because Fischer is playing. 9. They both brought huge money into their sports. Ali's purses were much bigger than what boxing had seen before. $5M for one fight. Fischer turned chess from a sport for hobbyists to a big money sport for the very best. 10. Sad end. Ali has Parkinsons, possibly the symptoms are exacerbated by the beating he took in a pro career that lasted 20 years. Fischer lost touch with reality and died an outcast, unwilling to let modern medicine help them. 11. They both met the Beatles, and...Oh, wait a minute. Ali met the Beatles, when they were down in Miami, and Ali was training there. Still, if the fab four had any sense, they would have known Fischer was special and sought him out when they were in New York City. They must have had at least 20 minutes where they weren't booked to do something; they should have had Bob come over to their hotel room, chat on Marvin Gave v. Little Richard. I'm sure Fischer would have had an opionion on popular music. Shame on you, Brian Epstein. 12. Oh, religion--both are somewhat known for religion + controversy. Fischer and the Herbert Armstong Church of God, or whatever it was called. A carnival huckster. But, he reeled in Fischer. Perhaps his biggest Fish, no pun intended. Ali of course, joined the controversial Muslim religion championed by Malcom X. Joining the church of Allah and changing his name brought Ali many enemies, among both whites and blacks. Malcolm X is killed, probably in a power struggle with a follower (elijah Mohammad?) who wanted to be top banana. Ali wisely stays out of the power struggle. 13. Fischer boxed in the Catskills, to get in shape for his 1972 match with Spassky. He knew boxing was great cardiovascular work, the speed bag and the heavy bag (not sparring) Reciprocal? Well, I don't think there are any instances of Cassius playing chess. He relaxed by having sex with the unending flow of women who presented themselves before him, 24/7. This isn't really covered by historians, but Ali was as busy with the opposite sex as was JFK, the media just didn't cover this aspect of life they way they do now. This is more an Ali/JFK parallel, so we'll just strike this one. There are more similarities, but that covers the main points. Truly, 'Mo and Bob are two of the giant personalities of this era. |
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May-16-12
| | whiteshark: Quote of the Day
<She keeps telling me that I'm too interested in chess, that I should get friends outside of chess, you can't make a living from chess, that I should finish high school and all that nonsense. She keeps in my hair and I don't like people in my hair, you know, so I had to get rid of her.> -- Fischer
C'mon, get out of my way... |
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| May-16-12 | | WiseWizard: Ha, funny they didn't put that quote on mother's day. |
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| May-16-12 | | Petrosianic: The biggest difference between them is in the title. Ali won the championship early in his career and wasn't afraid to defend it. In fact, he won and lost it three times because he defended it so much. Fischer won it late, and didn't have it in him to risk it even once. Ali changed his name from that of a famous abolitionist to that of a famous slaveowner. Bobby... tried to change his from Bobby to Robert, and never quite succeeded. You know, this one is kind of a stretch. |
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May-16-12
 | | OneArmedScissor: Fischer won the title when he is 24, right? I wouldn't say that is very late. |
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| May-16-12 | | King Death: Fischer was 29 when he won. |
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| May-16-12 | | HeMateMe: The relationship between Fischer and him mother sounds like fertile ground for an Alfred Hitchcock movie. Maybe Bob was the model for Norman Bates in <Psycho>? |
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May-16-12
 | | WannaBe: Doubtful, 'Psycho' came out 1960. =) |
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| May-16-12 | | HeMateMe: Well, that's one year after Fischer has dropped out of high school and pressured his mother to leave the apartment. Of course, "Hitch" was not so in tune to a minor figure chess player, at the time. The cannibal/grave robber Ed Gein, from Wisconsin, is the more likely role model for the Psycho character. Or, maybe Hitchcock was just browsing through a magazine article about bizarre types, and got an idea. I don't know if he wrote the screenplay or not, probably someone else. It may be that a complete stranger thought up the Norman Bates character, and sold the story to a movie company. |
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| May-16-12 | | Petrosianic: The novel of Psycho came out in 1959 and it's no big secret that it was loosely based on Ed Gein. |
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