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|Apr-23-14|| ||Joshka: <TheFocus> What I have always wondered about, was why the Clinton Administration didn't grant Bobby a full pardon? Bill was famous for giving pardons to the most unworthy and despicable folks.
Had any President taken any interest in freeing Bobby I would have thought it would have been President Clinton. Do we know if there was any special petition formally sent to President Clinton in Bobby's behalf?|
|Apr-23-14|| ||TheFocus: <Joshka> LOL! BTW, my own Mother sent me a $20 bill every year for my birthday until she passed away. I would ask her, "Mom, why do you do this? I make more money than you do?"|
Moms? They have their strange ways.
|Apr-23-14|| ||TheFocus: <Joshka> I don't know the answer to that. Our government may never grant him a pardon. Clinton pardoned drug dealers but not a chess player.|
I doubt that the USCF would ever petition them either.
|Apr-23-14|| ||fedalio: <joshka> <thefocus> I think he said in one of these interviews that there was a function at the White House in the 1990s where he was invited- it was all the people who had been on the cover of Time Life. And he was told the indictment would be taken care of but was not interested...I think he was not keen on Kervorkian being there. Also there is a letter in DeLucia's earlier book (and I am still waiting for my copy of his new one to arrive here in London) from his lawyer where getting rid of the indictment (or him paying a small fine) is mentioned. In general I don't think he was that interested. |
<joshka> we're these checks ever cashed that you sent?
|Apr-23-14|| ||keypusher: <Bobby, of course you KNOW my father was just being sarcastic, he was upset that you wanted 50K >|
I've read the article and I don't see any sign Schapp Sr. was upset by the babbling old fruitcake. He was amused. Fischer used to demand large amounts of money to talk to people all the time, though $50,000 seems like a lot even for him.
<I think he said in one of these interviews that there was a function at the White House in the 1990s where he was invited- it was all the people who had been on the cover of Time Life. And he was told the indictment would be taken care of but was not interested...>
|Apr-23-14|| ||Jim Bartle: That article was not offensive in any way. The reference to "Judge Crater" in the first paragraph is a clue it's going to be lighthearted.|
I don't understand this concept that reporters should please their subjects. Their responsibility is to their readers.
|Apr-23-14|| ||Joshka: <TheFocus> See, this is what moms do, you were blessed as well:-) I remember the advice an older veteran gave me when I was about 22 years of age. He said, "In this world, you'll have only about 2 people who will really care for you, your wife and your mother." Well I'm divorced twice, my mother passed last November, so I'm flushed out for sure:-) <Our government may never grant him a pardon> Oh it's much too late for that, who cares now, I was just wondering about Clinton's reign. Yea drug dealers he pardoned, even murderers I believe, folks accused of embezzling large amounts of cash, ect. no not chess players, and one chess player in particular. I dunno maybe there was never an official petition. <fedalio> good thanks for mentioning the lawyers letter from an earlier DeLucia book, maybe it was Bobby Fischer Uncensored? <were these checks ever cashed that you sent> yes, but never signed/only scribbled initials probably from the person handling his mail. Now that I think about it, they were sent on his Birthday's from 1983-86. His PO Box was given out at the time cause he was selling that "I Was Tortured in the Pasadena Jailhouse" for a buck!!! Think I only bought 10 copies, had I been using my head, I would have bought a hundred!!! I gave most of them away, think I have 2 left. <keypusher> Amused?? What the heck is that suppose to mean..LOLOL He was so amused he wrote that Bobby didn't have a sane bone in his body!?? No, that's not amusement;-) That's being teed off, cause your so called friend will not even speak with you unless you fork over 50K, anyway like I said whatever he felt he inflicted personal harm to Bobby, and that's all that matters. Bobby was hurt cause he felt that Schaap was acting in the role of reporter and not friend. Reporters always tried to cast Bobby in a bad light, Schaap took off his "friend" cap, in place of a reporters, and thus Bobby was hurt, and rightfully so, IMHO.|
|Apr-23-14|| ||fedalio: <Joshka> Yes, would have been Claudia Mokarow who handled his mail.|
I've always wondered if these stories about Clinton representing Georgetown at chess when he was there in the late 60s were true, and if so if he was inspired by Bobby.
Yes, the lawyer letter is in the Uncensored book....along with a plea not to go to give a press conference in Argentina in 1996 as he would say contentious things which would jeopardise the process. Another of Bobby's ex-lawyers and associates was Congressman Charles Pashayan (this was the guy who in the mid 80s introduced a bill in Congress recognising Fischer as the world champion) - but guess he saw it as a hopeless cause as it went nowhere.
Is it in Brady's book that David Oddson mentioned a pardon to a member of the Clinton Administration in the 1990s? And he was surprised a minor request such as this went nowhere, which was not in keeping with diplomatic protocol.
|Apr-23-14|| ||Jim Bartle: Speaking of endorsing checks with the signature of someone famous, Ted Williams was the head of the Jimmy Fund in Boston for many years. He personally endorsed every check sent as a donation. So anybody could get a Ted signature for a few dollars.|
|Apr-23-14|| ||Jim Bartle: Oh God, <joshka>, read the entire article and try to comprehend the tone in which it is written. The "no sane bone" is written in the same light, breezy tone.|
|Apr-23-14|| ||HeMateMe: <And how would they have done that, anyway? He was in foreign countries. Do you suppose they would have asked the CIA to kidnap/snatch him? It would have been illegal for them to snatch him from a foreign country.>|
You need to read [newspapers, and history].
A world champion of the game of chess, given a HUGE q-rating because he was the USA figurehead in the cold war with the soviets. His face is well known, in Europe.
6-2, Blond hair, 250 pounds, likes to go for long walks--alone.
Is quite likely to be in the company of professional chess players, or somewhat wealthy chess patrons. Such people's addresses can be found by checking with local chess clubs and tournament halls.
Draws money from a large prize fund earned in Yugoslavia, in 1992. Such money, about $3M, is likely to be intact, and not distributed among multiple banks. Monies are likely in Austria, Hungary, or Germany.
Do you REALLY think the State Department, CIA or Interpol could not find such a person, with a famous face, in two days, minimum? These are the people who tracked down <Carlos the Jackal>. Do you think they couldn't find Bobby Fischer's bank account, and where the money gets wired to?
Can't get a hold of him? A lot of these countries have extradition treaties with the USA. Has something to do with their being members of either NATO or the EU.
Was Benko paid cash? I have never heard of it, but if he was, then I'm totally mistaken on that one point. I thought Benko only demanded a promise from His Bobness that Fischer would not walk out on the Interzonal or Candidates matches.
Royalty checks? It dried up in the 80s, and Bob was dependant on anonymous chess benefactors.
I apologize for not following the story closely enough to know that Fischer bought an apartment in Iceland. I was under the impression that he was under the roof of his old ex-bodyguard Sami ______ (?) or wealthy Icelandic chess patrons.
The fact that his legal bills were pro bono doesn't surprise me.
I'd be very surprised if he paid anything to the people that he stayed with in Europe, while living as a fugitive from justice. It just fits his persona. The Polgars could shed some light on that, and they aren't talking. In an interview with one of the three sisters, it was delicately made clear that his anti-Jewish comments were "upsetting" to the Polgars, who are Jewish. I think they diplomatically told Bob to hit the road, at some point. We'll never know all the facts, as the sisters aren't talking about it in depth. Most likely they knew he had a few screws loose, but were willing to put up with it for awhile, to play chess against a living legend. Sort of like having DaVinci come by and sketch the members of your family. You give such a person a wide berth, even if he has flatulence and a big mouth.
I wonder who paid for Fischer's tombstone in Iceland? If I had to bet money, I bet it was paid for by the Icelandic government, and they didn't ask his Japanese mistress for a dime. If they had, she wouldn't have given them a dime. Runs in the family, I guess.
|Apr-23-14|| ||Joshka: <fedalio> No, never heard any stories of Clinton playing chess. As far as that press conference in Argentina, Bobby did give one in 1996, I have never seen the script. There is a photo of Bobby on the cover of "Ajedrez" during the press conference. I recall Mig Greengard ( close friend and confidant of Kasparov) stating he was at the press conference doing translation, and said he really had a lot of disrespect for Bobby during that time period. Wonder if it had anything to do with Bobby rapping Kasparov?;-)|
|Apr-23-14|| ||Joshka: <jimbartle> I'll state it again, and this will be the last time. It does not matter what tone, I or you believe it to be in. He was hurt by the comment, and perceived it to be in a malicious vein. Bobby was not thinking he was the subject of a reporters voice. Bobby considered him a friend and Schaap as well stated 2 or 3 times they were friends. Friends don't throw friends under the bus. But maybe you cannot comprehend this unwritten code of conduct.|
|Apr-23-14|| ||TheFocus: Bobby did say it was very hurtful to him.
I have made remarks that are sometimes meant in jest, but are perceived as hurtful by other people.
|Apr-23-14|| ||Jim Bartle: <I> can't understand?|
Schaap was a journalist. His responsibility is to the reading public, not the subject of his article, whether a friend or not.
All politicians are friends with many journalists, often close friends. These friends may write critical articles and it doesn't ruin the friendship.
If a journalist is eager to please his subject, you get ridiculous situations such as Ahmad Rashad "reporting" on his close friend Michael Jordan, and everything he says comes out as if it were from a Jordan press agent. And nobody respects Rashad.
|Apr-23-14|| ||fedalio: <joshka> If DeLucia's second book ever shows up will do a comparison of what is carried over from his first one, but in the first one there is a letter from Quinteros about this press conference - a video was made, but I think was destroyed after Bobby fell out with Quinteros and the company who made it never got paid. Who knows, perhaps it still exists somewhere in Buenos Aires and will be uncovered one day.|
|Apr-23-14|| ||TheFocus: I wonder if there is a transcript of the press conference?|
|Apr-23-14|| ||harrylime: Anyone wanna post up some Fischer games ?|
|Apr-23-14|| ||harrylime: Robert James Fischer is the greatest chess player to have played the game of chess ... |
He revolutionized chess like nobody else before or since ..
He came from America at a time when chess was Russia and Soviet .. end of .. lol lol ..
His chess was relentlessly beautiful .
|Apr-24-14|| ||Mr. President: you are smoking some good @#$% ... LOL|
|Apr-24-14|| ||ughaibu: Fedalio: I'm amazed that Charlie Manson didn't take advantage of that offer.|
|Apr-24-14|| ||Joshka: <fedalio> Speaking of GM Quinteros, he substantiated what Bobby talked about on one of his interview shows. Stating he was with Bobby during all the exhibitions (simuls) thru about 12 provinces in Argentina right after he defeated Petrosian in 1971. Although I never received an answer to where those game scores might be. Maybe he has them. We are talking about literally hundreds, maybe 400 at least. They must be in someone's collection!|
|Apr-24-14|| ||Joshka: Also, what about the video tapes of the WHOLE match from 1972 that sit in a bank vault in Iceland!? Will they ever be released? Lot of books on Bobby, but heck, the authors do not dig enough.|
|Apr-24-14|| ||diceman: <Joshka: Also, what about the video tapes of the WHOLE match from 1972 that sit in a bank vault in Iceland!? Will they ever be released?>|
Maybe if released, Jinky will sue. :)
|Apr-24-14|| ||Petrosianic: <harrylime> <His chess was relentlessly beautiful .>|
You're not a good enough player to know whether it was or it wasn't. Let's face it, to you Greg DeFotis probably seems jaw droppingly good.
<Robert James Fischer is the greatest chess player to have played the game of chess ... >
You've tried and failed to prove that so many times. Why should this time be any different? Don't they say that the definition of insanity is repeating the same behavior and expecting a different result?
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