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|Nov-05-14|| ||ljfyffe: A nonStalingrad joke:
Where were you born?
Where did you grow up?
Where do you live now?
Where would you like to live?
<On the Moon.>
|Nov-10-14|| ||PaulLovric: At last, 4 days of intelligent conversations in here: bok bok bok|
|Nov-10-14|| ||todicav23: Has anyone read this book?
|Nov-10-14|| ||Shams: <ljfyffe> And here's one from the Cold War. A Soviet schoolboy is called upon in class:|
"Who is your mother?"
"And who is your father?"
<The Communist Party>.
"And what would you like to be when you grow up?"
|Nov-11-14|| ||zanzibar: I finally got Kasparov's <MGP - Part IV> from the library for a little Fischer research...|
I found this Tal anecdote from p290 on the <Bled 1961> tournament:
<Before the last round the American was just half a point behind Tal, who later recalled:
"Fischer demonstratively took Nadjorf aside to prepare him for our game. It was quite clear: Najdorf was being initiated into the secrets of Fischer's favourite variation of the Sicilian Defence (<incidentially, the 'Najdorf Variation'! - G.K.>). That evening in the hotel bar Fischer came up to our table and confidentially informed me: "You will lose tomorrow to Najdorf. But on the whole you haven't played badly and I have no objection to sharing first place with you, so I won't win against Ivkov." I did my best to dissuade Robert, but he stuck to his opinion. The following day I played a completely different variation against Najdorf (6.Be2, whereas Najdorf-Fischer duo had prepared for my usual 6.Bg5). Fischer came up, saw what was happening, and frowned.">
Of course, everybody knows Tal won, and so took 1st place, whereas Fischer did draw and claim 2nd.
|Nov-11-14|| ||zanzibar: What is the original Tal source for this story - anybody know?|
|Nov-11-14|| ||Petrosianic: No, but there's a similar story from 1959 in which Fischer avenged a loss to Pachman by prepping one of Pachman's No Name opponents, and Pachman returned the favor by doing the exact same thing. The No Names won both games.|
|Nov-11-14|| ||keypusher: <Nov-11-14
Premium Chessgames Member zanzibar: What is the original Tal source for this story - anybody know?>
It's in <My Life and Games>. I don't know if that is the only place.
|Nov-11-14|| ||Howard: Oh, yes, that story is briefly mentioned in Mednis' How to Beat Bobby Fischer.|
Didn't Fischer see Pachman and Mr. No Name talking briefly before the latter was to play Fischer ? Fischer, knowing that Pachman was probably rankled at him for helping to prepare Mr. No Name in that earlier game against Pachman, asked Pachman after the conversation "So, you've prepared my opponent it looks like." To which Pachman replied, "Yes, I have, Bobby."
|Nov-11-14|| ||Petrosianic: Who was the No Name, anyway? Sanguineti? Or was it Jauregui? I'd have to look it up now.|
|Nov-11-14|| ||keypusher: <Petrosianic>
C Jauregui vs Fischer, 1959
|Nov-13-14|| ||drnooo: on youtube, the Anything to Win video is
not bad, but significant about it to me was the poverty of his Mom, and the raw beginnings of the family there.
It also raises the question of just perhaps his real Dad giving him not only a special set of genes but some whacko ones as well. Right from the get-go maybe Bobby was always disposed to nuttiness. At any rate not knowing his Dad didn't help.
The video also seems to point to that the lad was always beyond help, and certainly it also seems to me, as I've posted before here, Russia was very stupid in not giving in to his last demand for a match: the guy was so bonkers by then he was falling apart.
They didn't do their spying on him very well. Not only had he no real desire to play the game any longer, by then the rest of him was so scrambled he would either come up with some other bit of nonsense to not show up, or pressed, would not have lasted long with the kind of skills Karpov had.
To even consider his coming out on top at that point or even lasting past the first five or six games is ridiculous.
It would make a very good story to have a KGB agent smuggled into the Worldwide Church in Pasadena, donating a huge sum to see that they had nothing more to fear.
|Nov-13-14|| ||Petrosianic: <Howard> <Didn't Fischer see Pachman and Mr. No Name talking briefly before the latter was to play Fischer ? Fischer, knowing that Pachman was probably rankled at him for helping to prepare Mr. No Name in that earlier game against Pachman, asked Pachman after the conversation "So, you've prepared my opponent it looks like." To which Pachman replied, "Yes, I have, Bobby.">|
Yes, but the way Pachman tells the story, it was a complete coincidence that he was talking to Jauregui that day. He says they were just shooting the breeze. Then when Fischer walked up and he realized that he and Jauregui actually played that same day, and that Fischer thought Pachman had been prepping Jauregui, he played along and said yeah, he sure did, just to psyche Fischer out, and apparently it worked. It looks like Fischer is the only one of the two of them to have actually prepped the other one's opponent. Pachman attributes Fischer's loss to Jauregui as due to a guilty conscience.
|Nov-13-14|| ||john barleycorn: For Pachman's version see <Gypsy>'s post here:
C Jauregui vs Fischer, 1959|
|Nov-13-14|| ||AylerKupp: <Petrosianic> Fischer with a guilty conscience? ROTFL! Although since Fischer was only 15 at the time I suppose that Pachman gave him the benefit of the doubt.|
|Nov-13-14|| ||Petrosianic: Guilty conscience or not, I tend to believe Pachman's story that he didn't prep Jauregui, and just psyched Fischer into thinking that he had. I've played over Jauregui-Fischer many times and don't see any special novelties in it. Looks like just a tough, fluid middlegame, where Fischer managed to get his Queen trapped around Move 25.|
|Nov-15-14|| ||PaulLovric: Would Fischer have beaten Magnus Carlsen in his prime?|
|Nov-15-14|| ||HeMateMe: with ten ounce gloves, at Grossingers? I'll put my money on the corduroy killer.|
|Nov-15-14|| ||zanzibar: <Corduroy Killer> - I hadn't heard that one before:|
|Nov-16-14|| ||HeMateMe: It was flannel Bob, before he "owned more suits than anyone."|
|Nov-16-14|| ||MissScarlett: That NYT obituary by Bruce Weber is seriously deficient. Looks as if he didn't even consult Wikipedia, let alone run it by the paper's chess correspondent first. How could he not reference the controversy over Fischer's paternity? He says Fischer won $250,000 at Reykjavik, but that was the total prize fund. If Nixon invited Fischer to the White House, why was he still complaining about the snub 30 years later? I appreciate the need for brevity, but did Fischer really spend his time with the philo-semitic Worldwide Church of God reading 'Nazi literature'? I think the evidence clearly shows that it was only after his break with the church in 1977 that his political beliefs really moved to the extreme.|
|Nov-16-14|| ||Howard: Oh, having just re-read Weber's article, those weren't the only mistakes. Probably the biggest whopper was the claim Weber made that all the games after the second one were played in a small room....actually, the ONLY game that didn't take place on the stage was the third one. That was played upstairs in a room normally used for Ping-Pong matches. To make a long story short, it was played there "just this once--never again" (Spassky's exact words) to temporarily appease Fischer until the ever-ongoing controversy over the television cameras was resolved.|
All the rest of the games starting with the fourth one, were played on the stage---certainly NOT in a small, private room.
|Nov-16-14|| ||MissScarlett: Misleading, yes, but you can't seriously believe that Weber thought all the remaining games were played in that room.|
|Nov-16-14|| ||HeMateMe: Spassky was a prince for putting up with Bob. Still would love to read a Spassky tell all auto bio, but time is getting short...|
|Nov-16-14|| ||MissScarlett: He once said that he'd like to write a book but only on condition that it be published after his death, so be careful what you wish for.|
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