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|Jan-05-17|| ||tamar: I'd like to live in that galaxy where they have Fischer games on phonograph records|
|Jan-05-17|| ||Howard: Petrosianic....I subscribed to Boys' Life for eight years, and I STILL remember that short story. It came out when I was in 8th grade.|
Sally Simpson...that story wasn't exactly anything to brag about. The idea of some kid listening to the moves of Fischer's games while asleep...it's so far-fetched it's not even funny.
The game in question, by the way, was Fischer-Najdorf, 1966. In fact, it's in Fischer's M60MG.
|Jan-05-17|| ||Petrosianic: I think they were trying to shoot for a genuine ethical dilemma, but the author didn't know enough about chess to create one.|
It's interesting sometimes to see how much a writer does and doesn't know about chess when it makes its way into a program. Chess is often used as a symbol to show that a character is smart (or conniving) without having someone come out and say so. But i've seen shows where the writer seeemed to think, for example, that there was some virtue in giving check. Or that a good player should be able to win a game in 4 moves. On the other hand, I have an Ozzie and Harriet episode where Ricky correctly reels off the first 8 moves of the Lasker Defense and asks for an opinion.
I think the very best chess show I've seen is a Get Smart episode called "Smart the Assassin". It doesn't display any great knowledge of the game, but doesn't make any horrible mistakes either, and is really funny.
|Jan-05-17|| ||schweigzwang: Wait, was that Mary Lou Sullivan, the cheerleader in the story, the one Ricky Nelson was singing about?|
|Jan-05-17|| ||Shams: <I think the very best chess show I've seen is a Get Smart episode called "Smart the Assassin". It doesn't display any great knowledge of the game, but doesn't make any horrible mistakes either, and is really funny.>|
Family Ties had a great chess episode! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0577296/
I don't recall the opening in the game Keaton plays against the Russian but the producers clearly did their homework and has them play real moves. Alas, only a 30-second teaser on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEu...
|Jan-05-17|| ||zanzibar: <Petrosianic> broke the forum!|
|Jan-05-17|| ||zanzibar: Would <The Seventh Seal> merit a mention?|
<Cowboy Bebop> Bohemian Rhapsody episode also has some good chess action
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnM... (audio only)
|Jan-05-17|| ||Petrosianic: <Shams> I saw this show in the late 70's. I don't even remember the name of it any more, but it was one of those "Touched By an Angel" style shows, where an angel meets somebody new every week and does something to improve their life.|
So in this one show, the subject's big dream was to beat his club champion, Kropotkin. He thinks the angel is going to make him win, so he issues a challenge, and puts up his prized possession, a set supposedly owned by Staunton, to get him to accept the challenge.
He breaks his glasses just before the game, but thinks it won't matter, because it's in the bag. He plays the game anyway, with a friend calling out the moves to him.
So he sits down with White, and plays the following game: 1. f4 e5 2. fxe5 d6 3. exd6 Bxd6 4. Nc3?? Qh4+ 5. g3 Qxg3+ 6. hxg3 Bxg3++
What happened? Our hero just lost?? He asks for another chance, and the champion agrees to a rematch for the club title, but NOT for the set, which he refuses to risk. The champion's hot girlfriend thinks this is pretty sleazy, dumps him, and starts going out with our hero. Our hero feels that he's now FINALLY beaten Kropotkin.
I'd love to see this again, but don't even know the name of the series. I think the only way to find it would be to go through the TV Listings for, say, 1975-1979, and look at every single series to try to find one that was around this general theme.
|Jan-06-17|| ||zanzibar: <petrosian> best I could come up with:|
And here's a master list:
Couldn't find your item though.
|Jan-06-17|| ||Retireborn: There's a recent chess movie set in Uganda, called Queen of Katwe:-|
I hope to get hold of the blu ray next month.
|Jan-06-17|| ||Petrosianic: <zanzibar>
It definitely wasn't a Columbo or Mission Impossible episode, although both of these shows look interesting too. I own Mission Impossible Season 2, but haven't watched it yet, so I'll definitely see that one.
|Jan-06-17|| ||Petrosianic: There's a sci-fi writer who's ranked every episode of Mission Impossible in order. He ranked that one 82 out of 163, and says:|
<82. “A Game of Chess” (Season 2, Episode 17)
The over-involved scenario of “A Game of Chess” entangles the IMF with an international thief (Don Francks) who is planning to steal a shipment of gold bullion from an enemy nation’s military police. The IMF must recover the gold and return it to its rightful owners, under the cover of a hotel-based chess tournament. The situation is even more contrived than usual, but it’s got entertaining visuals and some clever IMF trickery.>
So it sounds like a halfway decent story, but of course from the chess perspective the details are what will make it interesting. I'll definitely have to check it out.
By number crunching this guy's ratings, I found that he likes Season 1 best, followed by Season 3, then Season 2, and the rest are noticeably weaker.
|Jan-06-17|| ||Sally Simpson: I covered the Mission Impossible chess episode a few years back.|
I have the two games played there. The program was first shown in March 1968.
It's halfway down entitled 'Mission Improbable' (pretty witty eh?)
It's just after the story about me trying to fleece a 2nd hand shop out £3.00 so I could a chess set.
|Jan-06-17|| ||Petrosianic: Speaking of Mission Impossible and chess, I saw a Season 1 episode called "The Carriers" a while back, and Martin Landau used the name "Tigran Portisch" as an alias. I don't think that was a coincidence. The writer must have known something about chess.|
|Jan-06-17|| ||Howard: Wasn't one of the last scenes in that Mission Impossible episode where some policewoman is in a limo, and she asks someone sitting with her in the back seat some chess trivia question regarding a well-known chess move?|
The guy in the back seat refers the question to the chauffer, who not only gives the correct answer, but then he replies, "But I didn't know that policewomen were interested in chess?"
Personally, I saw that episode back around 1973 shortly after the you-know-what match. But it was shown in prime-time---apparently, the show was trying to capitalize on the short-lived chess craze that was taking place in the U.S. at the time.
|Jan-06-17|| ||HeMateMe: <...used the name "Tigran Portisch" as an alias. >|
They got that from Fischer, who used this alias to rent his apartment in Pasadena.
|Jan-06-17|| ||perfidious: If a knowledgeable chess player had been Landau's landlord, Portisch would have been roached.|
|Jan-07-17|| ||savagerules: I actually watched recently the Columbo episode where the hard-of-hearing chess champ manages to lose by a fool's mate during a simul, while being questioned by Columbo on the murder investigation.|
The chess board and moves were accurate, surprisingly, but even a comatose master would not have got mated in 3 moves. I believe Falk (Columbo) was like a class C player in real life so he should have known better than to allow this farcial scene into the show.
|Jan-07-17|| ||todicav23: <savagerules: I actually watched recently the Columbo episode where the hard-of-hearing chess champ manages to lose by a fool's mate during a simul, while being questioned by Columbo on the murder investigation.|
The chess board and moves were accurate, surprisingly, but even a comatose master would not have got mated in 3 moves. I believe Falk (Columbo) was like a class C player in real life so he should have known better than to allow this farcial scene into the show.>
Peter Falk with Seirawan and Korchnoi:
|Jan-07-17|| ||Howard: Oh, yes, that often-mentioned Columbo episode. Remind me to get the DVD from the public library--haven't seen it in at least 30 years.|
|Jan-09-17|| ||todicav23: http://www.businessinsider.com/magn...|
According to this article chess.com proposed a new system, called Computer Aggregated Precision Score, to determine the strength of players based on computer analysis. We have:
Carlsen - 98.38 (in the past five years)
Karjakin - 97.97
Kasparov - 97.51
Fischer - 97.59
I'm not sure how they calculate these scores. I assume it is a measure of the accuracy of the players (higher score is better). Because modern players have access to computers it is expected that they are more accurate than Fischer and Kasparov.
It is surprising that Fischer is slightly more accurate than Kasparov, despite the fact that Kasparov had access to computers and databases (and of course better resources). But it is also true that Kasparov was looking for complex positions where the possibility of making mistakes was greater. Both Fischer and Kasparov took more risks compared with Carlsen.
Maybe someone with more free time can try to make sense of this system.
|Jan-11-17|| ||Shams: <todicav23> Thanks for the link and good post.|
|Jan-11-17|| ||AylerKupp: <todicav23> The links provide little and occasionally inconsistent information. One section in https://www.chess.com/article/view/... refers to "engines" (plural) and another refers to "engine" (singular). It's an important distinction since engines don't always agree on their move rankings. So, if more than one engine is used, how is the "best" move determined? Majority voting is one way but, if 3 engines are used and all 3 differ in their move rankings (not as unusual as one might think), how is the "best" move detected? And are the evaluations weighted by the engines' ratings?|
The article is also silent on identifying the engines used, the search depth(s) used (which need to be different for each engine in order to have equal confidence in their evaluations; Komodo 10 at d=25 will beat the pants off Stockfish 8 at the same depth, even though Stockfish 8 currently has a higher rating and scored higher in the latest TCEC competition), number of games analyzed per player, etc. And the factor "patterns of strength" is not explained in a way that contributes anything to its understanding.
So as far as I'm concerned more information is needed in order to make sense of this system. Maybe this will be forthcoming in the future.
|Jan-11-17|| ||tamar: Eventually the CAPS model might work, but the lack of specifics, which engines/depth etc., are used raises red flags. |
I suspect just enough data has been crunched to produce the article as it is aimed as a promotion device to gain premium members.
The actual idea has merit, as engines have progressed hundreds of elo points beyond us, and are as near to a standard measuring device as has ever existed in chess.
|Jan-11-17|| ||unferth: I'd be curious to see how the numbers would change if they began analysis with move 16 (or even later) to eliminate bias from advances in opening prep, as this study did:|
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