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|Aug-08-14|| ||perfidious: <unferth: didn't Korchnoi at some point allege that he had been instructed to lose to Petrosian in the candidates because he had expressed the opinion that neither of them could stop Fischer?>|
I too have seen that claim made in these pages, but have no idea whether it is true--supposedly, Korchnoi was bought off with promises of invitations to plum international events IIRC.
|Aug-08-14|| ||Petrosianic: Well, the question unferth asked is whether Korchnoi said it. I can't say for sure. I don't have a copy of "Chess Is My life" immediately handy, but I don't think he said it there. And I know he didn't say it in the interviews he gave to Chess Life & Review right after he defected. Those are the places he'd have been most likely to claim it, and he didn't. So, if he said it somewhere else, I'd like to see it.|
|Aug-08-14|| ||unferth: I'm fairly sure my memory of that comment predates my involvement with this site, or with the internet at all for that matter. can't recall which piece of paper it sprang from, though.|
|Aug-08-14|| ||Petrosianic: The claim didn't seem plausible to me, just because of the evidence of the games. When someone is throwing a game, you usually see something like Matulovic vs. Taimanov. They arrive late, play fast, act really unconcerned, like their ego doesn't want anyone to think they're really trying.|
Game 10 of the 1971 Petrosian-Korchnoi match is exactly what you'd expect from someone who was genuinely trying to win and even the score. Korchnoi launches an attack, throws in everything but the kitchen sink, the attack boomerangs, he's about to adjourn in a lost position, and says "I could resign here, or agree to a draw". They agree to a draw, even though Black is dead won.
That's not a 100% proof, but barring some kind of actual evidence, I'm convinced that White was trying to win this game:
Korchnoi vs Petrosian, 1971
|Aug-08-14|| ||Ke2: Does anyone know where to find the early version of the Pawn Sacrifice script that leaked?|
|Aug-09-14|| ||moebiustip: I am also sceptical of Kaprov's claim that Korchnoi deliberately threw the match against Petrosian. G10 is very strong evidence that Korchnoi was trying to win. I always just thought that Petrosian was a bit stronger than Korchnoi throughout the 1960's-early 70's and that stylistically he was a very inconvenient opponent for Korchnoi. Also, let's not forget that Karpov made the unsubstantiated claim the Korchnoi also threw his Candidates match against Kasparov so as not to meet him (Karpov seems obessed with Korchnoi throwing matches)|
|Aug-09-14|| ||tzar: <perfidious: <unferth: didn't Korchnoi at some point allege that he had been instructed to lose to Petrosian in the candidates because he had expressed the opinion that neither of them could stop Fischer?>>|
As always rumors. If you want facts, U.S. GMs who classified in the first places in the 1969 U.S. Championships "were invited" to renounce their rights for the Interzonal so that Fischer could play (later allowing him to be WC in 1972). This is a fact and not a rumor.
|Aug-09-14|| ||perfidious: <tzar> We are already well aware of the whole business regarding Fischer--it has been rehashed twentyleven times in this forum.|
|Aug-09-14|| ||tzar: <perfidious:> There are always newcomers to the forum and the fight for truth and objectivity never ends.|
|Aug-09-14|| ||tzar: ...specially these days motivate me because in two days we have an important election between the red evil demon Putin related Kirsan...and the impeccable representative of modernity, democracy, Human Rights and
|Aug-09-14|| ||HeMateMe: Korchnoi throw a match--that's pretty funny.|
|Aug-09-14|| ||fedalio: I've never understood why Korchnoi is treated like some semi deity at top tournaments (eg Gibraltar, London Chess Classic and probably others). He must have pre-arranged more top level games than anyone alive.|
|Aug-09-14|| ||perfidious: <fedalio....Korchnoi....must have pre-arranged more top level games than anyone alive.>|
Assuming that the claim that Korchnoi was forced to fix his 1971 match with Petrosian is true, what other evidence do you have for accusing one of the toughest fighters of any era in this fashion?
|Aug-09-14|| ||HeMateMe: Korchnoi was resilient enough to criticize the authorities and be banned from chess travel for a year or two. At the same time his chess stipend was revoked by the state, and he was forbidden to give paid chess lectures. He had no way of making a living.|
Someone who had brought respect to his country through the sporting world, always finishing high in big tournaments, treated like this? He then had the smarts to keep cool, get his travel rights back (don't show any indication of defecting) and escape.
Such people don't seem to me like they can be bought or threatened.
|Aug-09-14|| ||perfidious: Korchnoi's ban was on playing internationally for one year, with his first foreign event afterwards being Hastings 1975-76.|
Then came Amsterdam in summer 1976, the interview granted to a Dutch paper and his decision not to return to the not-so-tender ministrations of life behind the Curtain.
|Aug-09-14|| ||AylerKupp: <fedalio> If anyone was treated like a deity it was Fischer; what with scheduling changes, changes in playing conditions, etc. So I guess that Fischer must have had more top level games fixed than anybody, even Korchnoi.|
|Aug-10-14|| ||MissScarlett: Under the heading, Without comment, from <Chess Facts and Fables>:|
<From Chess Life, 20 April 1961, page 117:
Frances Parkinson Keyes' novel The Chess Players is under negotiation as a possible motion picture. Dealing with the life and love of Paul Morphy, there is speculation that Bobby Fischer may play the role of Morphy in the movie. (2982)>
|Aug-10-14|| ||perfidious: <AK> If we follow an illogical premise to its illogical conclusion, just so. That would explain why Fischer maundered on about the K-K games being 'fixed'; he had to project his 'failing' onto others.|
(Cue heavy irony)
|Aug-10-14|| ||FredGambit: <Frances Parkinson Keyes' novel The Chess Players is under negotiation as a possible motion picture. Dealing with the life and love of Paul Morphy, there is speculation that Bobby Fischer may play the role of Morphy in the movie.>|
Fischer portraying Morphy makes about as much sense as Karpov portraying Miroslav Filip.
|Aug-10-14|| ||MissScarlett: Oh, I don't know. They could have had Larry Evans as Howard Staunton. That's no more ridiculous than Americans playing Shakespeare.|
|Aug-10-14|| ||HeMateMe: We have lots of brit actors who come over here, lose the british accent and play American characters. Daniel day lewis was great, as Lincoln. Meryl Streep did a nice job as Maggie Thatcher.|
|Aug-19-14|| ||john barleycorn: Just found this article + picture
|Aug-19-14|| ||HeMateMe: Bob even played at prisons, while he was on tour. Chuck Manson often used sacrifices, in his games.|
|Aug-19-14|| ||unferth: <john barleycorn> Andy Sacks, one of the two mentioned as drawing with Fischer, posts here occasionally & has discussed that simul on the page for the Fischer-Rogosin game.|
|Aug-19-14|| ||john barleycorn: <unferth> thanks for the hint.|
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