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| talisman: <Analyze This> I'm glad somebody else noticed that. that's the thing about the OMGP series.It really becomes obvious where GK's motivation lies.This is the 1st exaample that comes to mind. GK explains Fischer's 6-0 win over Larsen: "Denver was too hot." I guess the AC wasn't working. |
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Nov-04-09
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| keypusher: <AnalyzeThis: Kasparov explains that, when Fischer beat Petrosian and Spassky soundly, those two had lost their peak strength, but later, they regained it when they played Kasparov to an even score.> Idiot.
<talisman: <Analyze This> I'm glad somebody else noticed that. that's the thing about the OMGP series.It really becomes obvious where GK's motivation lies.This is the 1st exaample that comes to mind. GK explains Fischer's 6-0 win over Larsen: "Denver was too hot." I guess the AC wasn't working.> Talisman, when you put quotes around words, make sure you are really quoting someone, and not just making stuff up. OMGP IV, p. 395
<However, to put everything down to the heat would be unjust to the winner. Fischer conducted the entire match very evenly, with great intensity. Tal commented, 'It seems to me that Larsen did not have the advantage for even a single move.' I think that the shock of Larsen's failure was much greater than that of Taimanov's: it became evident that what had happened in Vancouver and Denver was by no means an accident, and that the world was encountering a new chess force, which had no analogy in history!> |
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Nov-04-09
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| parisattack: Yes, Kasparov in OMGP - it is quite obvious he is his own cheerleading squad. BTW - Fischer-Larsen 1971 - The A/C was working; I was there. It was hot outside but no games were played on the patio. (I detailed my impressions awhile back on the Larsen page.) |
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| Nov-04-09 |
| kurtrichards: <Garry Kasparov explains Fischer's 6-0 win over Larsen:"Denver was too hot."> Let's hear it from Bent Larsen himself - "I have met Fischer over the chessboard many times and I lost in the Denver match to him. I was not under his influence. The only thing I could complain about was the hot weather. But I Believe, so far, the weather does not depend on Fischer." Larsen just couldn't say that he was really helpless against Fischer in their Denver's match. |
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| Nov-04-09 |
| Riverbeast: One thing I've noticed about chessplayers of all strengths and stripes...Most of them always seem to have an excuse for losing ("I was sick...It was hot..." etc.) |
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| Nov-04-09 |
| TheFocus: <HeMateME><Thanks, but when I click the link, it won't go through.> <HeMateMe> I could not get there by clicking on that link either, but if you type it in Google, it will take you to a selection page where you may click on the selection with a description of the article. |
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Nov-04-09
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| parisattack: A brief review of Karsten Muller's new Bobby Fischer book is posted to my forum. |
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Nov-04-09
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| SetNoEscapeOn: <talisman: <Analyze This> I'm glad somebody else noticed that. that's the thing about the OMGP series.It really becomes obvious where GK's motivation lies.This is the 1st exaample that comes to mind. GK explains Fischer's 6-0 win over Larsen: "Denver was too hot." I guess the AC wasn't working.> In case anybody is interested in reality, here is Kasparov's actual appraisal of the match: "It does not surprise me that Fischer won with such ease: Larsen did not present a great mystery to him. Bobby played opening schemes where the opponent's optimism had nowhere to flourish. He conducted the games very uncompromisingly and did not allow Larsen scope for his creativity. In addition, he did not get into positions where he himself felt uncertain. In other words, Fischer imposed his game on Larsen! Beginning with the crazy first game, which he won after errors by both sides. And in general Fischer not only made fewer mistakes and withstood the tension for longer- he also saw the board better." MGP IV p. 405 |
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Nov-04-09
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| Ken MacGillivray: (Riverbeast> <most of them always have an excuse for losing.> A chess friend of mine says his ambition is to beat a well man. |
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| Nov-04-09 |
| AnalyzeThis: < keypusher: Idiot. > I guess this is an example of that thoughtful, constructive, well considered dialogue that you're famous for. |
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Nov-04-09
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| Travis Bickle: <Riverbeast: One thing I've noticed about chessplayers of all strengths and stripes...Most of them always seem to have an excuse for losing ("I was sick...It was hot..." etc.)> Fischer made Larsen sick! LOL |
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Nov-04-09
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| talisman: <keypusher> c'monnnnn...read what gary says about the 6-0 mark against Taimonov. It's like Bobby gets no credit...i really thought that this was "beneath" GK...BTW CHECK OUT how he makes a point to disparage the 2 "geniuses"...Tal and Fischer.the 2 who could be compared to him?!???!!! |
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Nov-04-09
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| talisman: <SetNoEscapeOn> can you back it up a few pages and quote Gary on the "Heat Wave In Denver?". thank you. |
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Nov-05-09
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| SetNoEscapeOn: <talisman>
What are you talking about? You said
<that's the thing about the OMGP series.It really becomes obvious where GK's motivation lies.This is the 1st exaample that comes to mind. GK explains Fischer's 6-0 win over Larsen: "Denver was too hot."> Which is simply inaccurate. That's all there is to it. |
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Nov-05-09
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| talisman: <SetNoEscapOn> OK...let's try it a different way. Does GK blame Larsen's loss on the weather? yes or no? answer is yes. Now unless you are playing anand on the top of some building, I think this is strange....too hot in a town where it snows?!! |
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| Nov-05-09 |
| Riverbeast: <Fischer made Larsen sick! LOL> Fischer once said "People have been playing me below strength for fifteen years" That's probably all he ever heard from his opponents for fifteen years! His match opponents in the '71/'72 cycle did take a lot of medical timeouts...People speculated that Fischer had a way of making his opponents sick Sick with fear, maybe |
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Nov-05-09
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| HeMateMe: I remember reading this chess article about how teenage Bobby Fischer and his friend Anthony Saidy hustled some adult at chess, the variant called "giveaway chess." The guy, a chessplayer, approached the two, who were playing speed chess. One of the two, Bobby or tony, said "Lets play by different rules. If you lose, then you win." They were playing for money, and Fish or saidy had a prepared variation where the stranger had a piece marching all over the board, gobbling up material. The newcomer won the postion on the board, and lost the bet. |
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Nov-05-09
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| SetNoEscapeOn: <talisman: <SetNoEscapOn> OK...let's try it a different way. Does GK blame Larsen's loss on the weather? yes or no? answer is yes.> OK, I understand now- you cannot read. |
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| Nov-05-09 |
| AnalyzeThis: <Riverbeast: His match opponents in the '71/'72 cycle did take a lot of medical timeouts...People speculated that Fischer had a way of making his opponents sick > I think it was Fischer's strength in the openings. Let's say you're Taimanov, and you really think you're going to play white in the King's Indian or the Gruenfeld against Fischer? That's why Taimanov lost that "dead drawn" ending in another game. He put almost no work into that during the adjournment. He must have been spending a lot of time, trying to solve all the opening problems Fischer threw his way. There was one game, where Taimanov might have had great attacking chances with a timely Qh3, and he spent literally days trying to prove to himself that the move would win. I think Kasparov showed that Fischer had resources, even had he played it. Fischer basically forced opponents to extend themselves more than they were prepared to go. |
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| Nov-06-09 |
| Riverbeast: And then Taimanov blundered a rook in one game!
When GMs start doing things like that, you know they're thoroughly rattled And I have a feeling it was a little hotter for Larsen in that playing room, then it was for anybody else |
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| Nov-06-09 |
| TheFocus: The following games originally appeared in the book Bobby Fischer Uncensored by David De Lucia, who has given me and <parisattack> permission to present them here in CG.
at CG.
Training Games vs. Gligoric
Time limit 91 minutes plus one minute per move.
Gligoric, S. – Fischer
King’s Indian Defense
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 g6 3.c4 Bg7 4.Nc3 O-O 5.e4 d6 6.Be2 e5 7.O-O Nc6 8.d5 Ne7 9.Nd2 a5 10.a3 Ne8 11.Rb1 f5 12.b4 Nf6 13.f3 Bh6 14.Nb3 Bxc1 15.Qxc1 axb4 16.axb4 f4 17.c5 g5 18.Nb5 g4 19.cxd6 cxd6 20.Qc7 Qxc7 21.Nxc7 Ra2 22.Nc1 Rc2 23.Nb5 gxf3 24.gxf3 Bh3 25.Rf2 Rfc8 26.Nd3 Ne8 27.Bf1 Bd7 28.Rxc2 Rxc2 29.Rc1 Rc8 30.Rxc8 Nxc8 31.Nxd6 Nexd6 32.Nxe5 Bb5 33.Bxb5 Nxb5 34.Nd3 Nd4 35.Kf2 Nc2 36.e5 Kf7 37.d6 Nxd6 38.exd6 Ke6 draw. Gligoric, S. – Fischer
King’s Indian Defense
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.O-O Nc6 8.d5 Ne7 9.Nd2 a5 10.a3 Bd7 11.b3 c5 12.Rb1 b6 13.b4 axb4 14.axb4 Bh6 15.bxc5 bxc5 16.Nb3 Bxc1 17.Qxc1 Nc8 18.Ra1 Rb8 19.Ra3 Rb4 20.Qe3 Nb6 21.Nd2 Ng4 22.Bxg4 Bxg4 23.f4 exf4 24.Qxf4 Rb2 25.Ra7 Bd7 26.Nf3 f6 27.Qxd6 Rxg2+ 28.Kh1 Rc2 29.Nd1 Bh3 30.Qxd8 Rxd8 31.Ne3 Bxf1 32.Nxc2 Nxc4 33.Na3 Nd6 34.e5 Be2 35.Ng1 Bd3 36.Nh3 fxe5 37.Ng5 h6 38.Ne6 Rc8 39.Rg7+ Kh8 40.Rd7 Nb5 41.d6 c4 42.Nd8 Be4+ 43.Kg1 Bd5 0-1. Gligoric, S. – Fischer
King’s Indian Defense
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.O-O Nc6 8.d5 Ne7 9.Nd2 a5 10.a3 Bd7 11.b3 c5 12.Bb2 Bh6 13.Qc2 b6 14.Nd1 Bxd2 15.Qxd2 Nxe4 16.Qd3 f5 17.f4 exf4 18.Rxf4 Nf6 19.h4 Rf7 20.Nf2 Qf8 21.Nh3 h6 22.Raf1 Re8 23.Bd1 Nc8 24.Qg3 Rg7 25.Qc3 Re5 26.Qc1 Qe7 27.R4f2 Kh7 28.Nf4 Ne4 29.h5 gxh5 30.Rf3 Qg5 31.Qc2 Ne7 32.Bc1 h4 33.Ne6 Qf6 34.Nxg7 Kxg7 35.Bb2 Ng3 36.Qf2 Qg5 37.Re1 Ng6 38.Bc2 f4 39.Bxg6 Kxg6 40.Bc1 Qe7 41.Rxe5 dxe5 42.Qe1 Qg5 43.Kh2 Bg4 44.Bxf4 exf4 45.Qe8+ Kg7 46.d6 Bxf3 47.Qd7+ Kf8 48.Qc8+ Kf7 49.Qd7+ Kg6 50.Qe8+ Kf5 51.gxf3 Nf1+52.Kh1 Ng3+ 53.Kh2 draw. |
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| AnalyzeThis: Interesting, TheFocus. When were these played? |
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Nov-07-09
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| talisman: <SetNoEsapeOn> <ok now i understand you cannot read>... you talking about minds right?...tell you what I'm going to do, just for you. at my leisure, i am going to pull the fischer volume and quote for you what GK has to say about the WEATHERRRRRRR! in DenVERRRRRRRRR!........which (excuse me,cough,cough,) is what I was trying to talk about. |
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| keypusher: <talisman> No need. <SetNoEscapeOn> and I have already done that. |
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| Nov-07-09 |
| JuliusCaesar: Having gone over the three training games above (thanks TheFocus), I'm reminded of a remark Nigel Short made in conjunction with Spassky-Fischer 1992 re Bobby's handling of the openings after 20 years away from chess. The verdict was pretty good on the whole except when it came to the King's Indian where Fischer 'got it all wrong.' On the one hand, what the heck does Nigel Short know about the King's Indian !?...but on the other hand, Fischer was in trouble in all three of these games, and should perhaps have lost at least one.
Black's openings were a mess. |
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