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|Aug-16-16|| ||kingfu: Lasker was Champion for 27 years and brought Chess into the Modern Era. We all have our favorites but Nakamura whiffed on that one.|
Lasker beat Steinitz to be Champion. Steinitz was great. If you look at his games there are lots of King's Gambits and Vienna games. Fun games from a bygone era.
The last Lasker - Steinitz match was Ruy Lopez and Queen's Gambit Declined. Welcome to the Modern World of hardcore analysis from BOTH sides of the board. And over 100 years before Stockfish.
|Aug-16-16|| ||gokusano: Naka's aim is to be regarded as the greatest american champion. But considering his age, he may not be able to duplicate bobby's feat, world champion at age 29. At the rate he is going, his greatest achievement so far is the solitary win against the world champion. After that win is a dismal performance in sinquefield. But I'm just being skeptical.|
|Aug-16-16|| ||unferth: Nakamura's 28 now, so he's definitely not going to be world champ at 29. I'll be quite surprised if he ever is, as there are three younger and stronger players already, and several more younger guys coming up on him fast. not sure he has the temperament to accomplish it anyway.|
|Aug-16-16|| ||todicav23: <gokusano: Naka's aim is to be regarded as the greatest american champion. But considering his age, he may not be able to duplicate bobby's feat, world champion at age 29. At the rate he is going, his greatest achievement so far is the solitary win against the world champion. After that win is a dismal performance in sinquefield. But I'm just being skeptical.>|
In order to be regarded as the greatest American player he needs to be able to beat:
Mamedyarov or Grischuk: 6-0
Aronian or Caruana: 6-0
Kramnik or Anand: 6.5-2.5
|Aug-16-16|| ||Petrosianic: Fischer and Steinitz were American world champions, while Caruana is the highest rated American player. Nakamura may become world champion some day, but the odds of him being head and shoulders above those three are slim.|
|Aug-16-16|| ||Petrosianic: Mind you, to be regarded as the greatest American champion, he wouldn't necessarily have to be world champion at 29. If he became world champion, and held it longer than Fischer's 1 year and 10 months, he would exceed him in that regard. But Nakamura will probably never have the dominance that Fischer and Steinitz did, and it's doubtful that it's even possible for anyone to have that kind of dominance in the computer era.|
|Aug-16-16|| ||unferth: I find it hard to imagine Nakamura will ever be world #1, let alone head and shoulders above the field. Caruana and MVL are younger and stronger; Carlsen of course is younger and far stronger; So, Giri, and Liren are all much younger and nearly as strong. it would take truly unusual late development on his part and/or a whole bunch of declines & stunted progress to give him any kind of shot IMO.|
|Aug-17-16|| ||perfidious: Korchnoi pulled off the feat to become clearcut number two after being a perennial top ten resident--well within that group for many years, at that, but that was a tall order for even a character possessing the iron will of Viktor the Terrible.|
|Aug-17-16|| ||kingfu: Fischer was the progenitor of the Sicilian Defense. |
Yes, Virginia, the Sicilian Defense was played before Fischer.
Big difference: He turned it into a winning weapon with black. Now almost everyone plays the Sicilian. But, with computers, the Sicilian has been analyzed quite a bit!
perfidious, glad to see you back to normal. How was The Ozarks?
|Aug-17-16|| ||unferth: <perfidious> Korchnoi's rise was somewhat wind-aided by the retirement of Fischer, as was Anand's by the departure of Kasparov. maybe Nakamura's moment will come if Carlsen decides he's ready for a full-time life of models and coke.|
|Aug-17-16|| ||john barleycorn: <unferth: <perfidious> Korchnoi's rise was somewhat wind-aided by the retirement of Fischer,...> |
not in 1974. And after Fischer's retirement everybody moved up a place (minimum).
Anand's case is arguable, imo.
Nakamura lacks the spirit of Fischer to be a numero uno even when Carlsen retires.
|Aug-17-16|| ||Olavi: I don't think Anand improved after Kasparov's departure; they had been very even with Kramnik for over ten years and he played one particular match better. Korchnoi got clearly stronger, but possibly that would have happened in any case?|
|Aug-17-16|| ||todicav23: <Olavi: I don't think Anand improved after Kasparov's departure; they had been very even with Kramnik for over ten years and he played one particular match better. Korchnoi got clearly stronger, but possibly that would have happened in any case?>|
My theory is that the competition got weaker after 1972. That's why Korchnoi appeared to be stronger than before.
Keres died in 1975 I think. Fischer and Botvinnik stopped playing. Petrosian, Spassky, Tal, Smyslov, Bronstein, Geller, Larsen were past their prime. Mecking got seriously ill. Except Karpov and Kasparov later, no other very strong player emerged in the 70's and 80's.
Of course that probably Korchnoi was able to improve his play as a result of playing Karpov. So maybe the competition got weaker while Korchnoi became slightly stronger.
|Aug-17-16|| ||Petrosianic: <And after Fischer's retirement everybody moved up a place (minimum).>|
No, they didn't. The pecking order was totally shaken. Before 1972, you could confidently argue that the best players in the world (in no particular order), were Spassky, Petrosian, Fischer and Larsen. After 1972 (well, 1974 at least), none of them were serious contenders for the top spot, it was Karpov or Korchnoi, that's it.
|Aug-20-16|| ||todicav23: Comparing the chess strength of some players based on computer analysis:|
|Aug-22-16|| ||HeMateMe: Doesn't young Donald Trump, far left, bear a striking resemblance to Bobby Fischer?|
The eldest of the three Trump brothers, standing, was an alcoholic and died in 1981. All that glitters is not gold.
|Sep-02-16|| ||todicav23: https://chessdailynews.com/match-of...|
|Sep-03-16|| ||zanzibar: Walter Browne extensively discusses his interactions with Fischer here:|
|Sep-08-16|| ||todicav23: https://www.ichess.net/2015/07/10/b...|
|Sep-08-16|| ||chessalem: <regarded as the greatest American player>|
I know <so>mebody who fits the description well.
In fact, he can be the greatest player on earth...I say if he be given the opportunity for astral travel, he can search for opponents outside the <so>lar system and beyond the milky way galaxy and still emerge no. 1 in the universe and entire cosmos.
Not only that. He can ride a time machine and go back in time and would prove equal ( I should not say superior out of deference to their rested <so>uls) to Morphy, Capablanca and even Bobby in classical, rapid and blitz play.
In fact, he made mincemeat of living legend Garry Kasparov in their one and only match making him kiss the canvass three times yielding only 1 game and drawing twice. What more proof do you need?
I'll give you another one.
He now leads the Grand Chess tour participated in by all the top 10 players in the world with 30 points- i.e.more than 8 points ahead of his closest pursuer:
Compare his results to that of Magnus in 2015 with 26 points:
Not even close.
Who can this guy be?
Trace backward to the beginning of this post for some clues highlighted in red for the answer.
|Sep-08-16|| ||john barleycorn: < chessalem: <regarded as the greatest American player>|
I know <so>mebody who fits the description well. ...>
<So> keep it as a secret unless you want to be regarded as the greatest idiot on earth.
|Sep-08-16|| ||chessalem: Well, I gave you all the evidence to support my claim and yet you ignore it like you do your small **** unseen with the naked eye....you need to use an electron microscope to view its abominable features.|
You man of little **** and faith.
Repent from your wicked ways and receive him as your true messiah before its too late.
|Sep-08-16|| ||john barleycorn: < chessalem> keep cool and drink coca-cola|
|Sep-09-16|| ||HeMateMe: These pages can get <so> embarrassing at times, for those of us who follow chess history.|
|Sep-09-16|| ||MissScarlett: A self-portrait: http://www.vangogh.net/images/van-g...|
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