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|Sep-10-14|| ||juan31: would be interesting that Mater Carlsen to opine on the situation of losing the crown for not play because of certain conditions, was very similar to the situation of Master Fischer, Master Carlsen sing, Master Fischer no, because he defended his position. Who had the reason ?|
|Sep-10-14|| ||juan31: Pd: Sing ( no) must say Sign|
|Sep-12-14|| ||MissScarlett: <Tobey Maguire gives an angry, bristling performance as chess champ Bobby Fischer in Edward Zwick's conventionally effective biopic.>|
|Sep-16-14|| ||JosepCmd: The biggest chess player ever.|
|Sep-16-14|| ||Petrosianic: Size doesn't matter, or so they say.|
|Sep-17-14|| ||john barleycorn: < Petrosianic: Size doesn't matter, or so they say.>|
That should be on the Odd Lie page. The bigger it is the less you have to improvise. That is the truth.
|Sep-17-14|| ||HeMateMe: But sometimes it it's TOO big, you don't get to play.|
|Sep-17-14|| ||john barleycorn: <HeMateMe: But sometimes it it's TOO big, you don't get to play.>|
Kismet. But my theory is still valid :-)
|Sep-17-14|| ||Sally Simpson: Well It's Official. :)
Fischer is the most well known chess player.
BBC Program 'Pointless' 100 people were asked who are these great chess players.
Bobby came top with 55 random punters who had heard of him.
|Sep-17-14|| ||Petrosianic: <Sally Simpson: Well It's Official. :)|
Fischer is the most well known chess player.>
I wouldn't put too much stock in that. Arguably, Maurice Ashley and Bruce Pandolfini are better known than Mikhail Botvinnik (in some countries, at least), but what can we conclude from that?
|Sep-17-14|| ||Sally Simpson: Hi Petrosianic,
You can argue with me but you cannot argue with the BBC and the random 100. :)
|Sep-19-14|| ||Boxer123: Are there any trailers to that new Bobby Fischer movie floating around guys? Can't seem to find any.|
|Sep-21-14|| ||MissScarlett: <Are there any trailers to that new Bobby Fischer movie floating around guys? Can't seem to find any.>|
A bad omen. Sit tight for the DVD.
|Sep-21-14|| ||MarkFinan: Bobby Fischer - Anything to Win (Biography) FULL: http://youtu.be/lwLM9bgE3tY|
Poor Bobby. 😔. Feel so sorry for him at points in his life. When some interviewer says to him about being mad about the Russians, he says "Yeah! Because they've had MY title for the last 10 years!". That's pretty confident and *charismatic* (sorry Hazzard lol) for a guy who hadn't even played for the WCC at that point.. I know he turned into a horrible man and he died in tragic circumstances but he'll always be the second greatest ever chess player to me.. We *NEED* a young Bobby Fischer right now, chess needs someone who has the character that makes non chess lovers say "Who is that Guy?". Otherwise with Putin's puppy in charge of FIDE, Carlsen's #1 challenger being someone who would even look nerdy and out of place on 'University Challenge', and basically just no excitement whatsoever this game will die. No one knows nor cares about chess nowadays, I'll bet it's popularity is at an all time low?? Even in the mid 80's with Kasparov and Karpov and Short, the game was more popular than it is now. I don't know how to make this game I love more popular but someone has to do something soon. It's below darts and snooker in my country, and you've no idea how much that annoys me, lol.
End of rant 👿
|Sep-22-14|| ||Joshka: Mark go ahead and rant, I couldn't have said it any better. As long as Kirsan (who has just ruined the game at least on the professional level) is running the show, nothing will change. The Carlsen/Sinquefeld connection failed cause it's still PUTIN VS The WEST>>>>>>you are right another fighter like Fischer but guys like Bobby come around once in a life time. Garry has been preaching for years and years to deaf ears about the evils of Putin and Kirsan, to no avail. No corporate money will EVER go into FIDE as long as KIrsan, and Putin are pulling the strings. I thought Carlsen had some balls to stand up to them, but nyet. He's not the one. I wish him a quick and swift disappearance at the top of the chess ranks. Naka is not the one either. Don't know a lot about Fabiano, but would he excite the masses, the folks who know nothing about chess, like Bobby did? I doubt it. But we were fortunate to live during Bobby's reign and witness what the chess explosion was all about. Just like The Beatles, I've been lucky to live during a time of just absolutely fabulous music, boxing with Ali, and many other legends. Go ahead and rant anytime, I'm with ya. Just imagine during Bobby's reign that NO COUNTRY would put up money for the World's Chess Championship Match like is happening for Carlsen!!??? NO COUNTRY SUBMITTED A BID!!!!! AND, to add insult to injury, this is the socila media generation!!! There is more quick news flying around the world than ever before!!!, more TV, cable, video, more nerds playing board games!! And still no interest in CHESS!! Allright, I'll stop my rant too..|
|Sep-22-14|| ||savagerules: The reason for the declining public interest in chess at the highest levels is because of computer programs which you can download for free and be as good or better than the world champion. When the supercomputer beat Kasparov that was the beginning of the end. So the public doesn't get too excited about the best players the way they did pre-computers. Larry Evans way back in the 1970s predicted the fate of chess when the time came when computers became predominant and to paraphrase him he said the interest would dwindle because the computers have relegated chess solely to the realm of mathematics and the magic would be gone.|
|Sep-22-14|| ||perfidious: <savagerules: The reason for the declining public interest in chess at the highest levels is because of computer programs which you can download for free and be as good or better than the world champion.>|
There are posters populating these pages who delight in coming it over on the greats because they have access to software and can poke holes in everyone's play, not unlike exacting retribution from the bullies who kicked sand in their faces whilst they were young.
|Sep-22-14|| ||Petrosianic: <There are posters populating these pages who delight in coming it over on the greats because they have access to software and can poke holes in everyone's play,>|
The oddest are the ones who kibitz on a game in progress by just pasting in a line of analysis from their engine verbatim, with no comment whatsoever about what it means, or even any pretense that they're using their own brains.
At least try to fake it, forgoodnesssakes. Like this:
Korchnoi vs Mednis, 1956
In the most recent comment, someone says: "A nice swashbuckling game that ended in a draw."
This is a comment that says precisely NOTHING. It tosses out an adjective with no specific meaning, followed by telling us the result of the game (which we can all read from the scoresheet). But at least he's <pretending> to say something. A comment that just pasted in 5 moves that might be tacked onto the end of the game, with no eval or explanation, would be even worse.
|Sep-22-14|| ||Petrosianic: Here's another one, also from today, and also from a Korchnoi game:|
<Impressive demonstration of superior strategic thinking. Gotta love Viktor the Terrible.>
Another complete waste of space comment that says nothing. The game is "impressive" but in no specific way. You see comments like this all over the board. But at least the person who isn't just parroting his program feels the need to fake a real comment. (And arguably he wouldn't have posted at all if the games here just had a "Like" button, like on Facebook). But even this is better than a bare line of analysis that anyone could pull out of their own engine just as easily.
|Sep-22-14|| ||Petrosianic: <perfidious>: <There are posters populating these pages who delight in coming it over on the greats because they have access to software and can poke holes in everyone's play,>|
And even worse, sometimes they can't. At any online game, you'll see people screaming that a move was a "blunder", because their engine swore that the eval dropped from .8 to .6 afterwards. As often as not, the player was right, and the engine just needed time to get up to speed.
|Sep-22-14|| ||perfidious: <Petrosianic> Risible indeed.|
One poster who gets me is <Ulhumbrus>, with his fusion of endless abstract reasoning and Reinfeld-type generalities.
The post of his which destroyed me was one which purported to prove that the Keres Attack vs the Scheveningen was a bad idea.
After that classic, off to iggydom for him and his idiocy.
|Sep-22-14|| ||Petrosianic: I've got a Love/Hate Relationship with Reinfeld, so I'm sure I know exactly what you mean just from that description.|
|Sep-22-14|| ||parisattack: I tend to agree with <MarkFinan> <Joshka> and <savagerules>. Chess is somewhere between the slippery slope and the end-times. A new Fischer would indeed breath some life into the game, but for how long? Carlsen and Caruana are awesome players, but neither has much more charisma as a plate of cold spinach. For the public, sizzle sells.|
If Bok had won the FIDE a few years back I think then there was still time to attract corporate sponsors. But now? Probably not in any big way. Look at tournaments now with six and even four players... Even the game of Go which I also enjoy is fighting off the engine monsters - and it has a computational space many, many times that of chess. I think it is something like 10^50 to 10^170.
As to dear <Ulhumbrus> I admit to also having him on i9 - but cheer him on in his quest to nail down the 'chess thinking' part of playing. "Chess is a sea..."
|Sep-22-14|| ||HeMateMe: Carlsen is a much more dominant player at age 23 than Fischer was. He has been terrific for chess. He's done a lot more media stuff, promoting the game, than Fischer ever did. He also takes photos with other players and plays intramural soccer with other players and chess journalists. He's normal. MC sometimes has a flippant attitude toward chess. His steady temperament will allow him to stay in chess for as long as he wants to. Carlsen is Tal with two kidneys and good health.|
Fischer brought Americans into the game because he was an American playing for the world championship. How long was interest really going to last? One more year, after 1972?
parents can look at MC and think "I hope my kid does that well." Parents look at Fischer and think "I hope my kid doesn't end up like that guy.
|Sep-22-14|| ||schweigzwang: <He's done a lot more media stuff, promoting the game, than Fischer ever did.>|
These are very different times. It's not just the difference in personality.
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