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|Jun-10-15|| ||chancho: If you were given the choice of being a famous person like Bobby Fischer, to live his life exactly as he lived it, with all the successes and the bad decisions, culminating with such a sad demise, would you want to live it?|
|Jun-10-15|| ||HeMateMe: <https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/...>|
|Jun-10-15|| ||A.T PhoneHome: I wouldn't want to live Fischer's life, which is because I don't think there is anything deeper to Fischer's downhill trip than the surface suggests. I think I would find no deep meanings behind it all; the only things there would be are pain and anger.|
|Jun-10-15|| ||diceman: <chancho: If you were given the choice of being a famous person like Bobby Fischer, to live his life exactly as he lived it, with all the successes and the bad decisions, culminating with such a sad demise, would you want to live it?>|
Nope, by definition all these scenarios have fatal flaws.
I would have loved to play guitar like Jimi Hendrix.
...wouldn't want to die in my 20's.
|Jun-10-15|| ||john barleycorn: One for Fischer:
|Jun-10-15|| ||HeMateMe: I wonder if there has ever been any stories about the actual Fischer apartment, where he grew up in Brooklyn. In places like Paris, the history of an apartment might be kept for 100 years, and you can find out about every person who ever lived in an apartment.|
In Bob's case, I wonder if the building is even standing? Or, do the present tenants know who used to live there? I think the apartment is in Flatbush Brooklyn, not a ghetto, but not an upscale area like Brooklyn Heights, either. I hope it didn't become a crack den, in the 90s?
|Jun-10-15|| ||A.T PhoneHome: <HeMateMe: I hope it didn't become a crack den, in the 90s?> Well if it did, that would be a sort of follow-up to Fischer's own "home cooking".|
|Jun-10-15|| ||Petrosianic: <How different Bobby's "end game" would have been! Might he have taken his winnings, paid some back taxes, settled back in the USA. The Bekins heist would not have happened, which is really the beginnings of Bobby's venom which led him to those radio interviews starting in 1999. Yea Bobby said things that hurt many folks, but for it not for that threatening letter, I can't help but ponder how different it all would have turned out. Thoughts?>|
The whole scenario presupposes that, had Fischer got away with breaking the law he would have turned into a completely different person by magic. In short, not very likely.
|Jun-10-15|| ||A.T PhoneHome: Usually the lawbreakers experience a change in life once they get caught.|
|Jun-10-15|| ||diceman: <HeMateMe:
I think the apartment is in Flatbush Brooklyn, not a ghetto, but not an upscale area like Brooklyn Heights, either. I hope it didn't become a crack den, in the 90s?>
Not far from where I lived.
...now, considered the "in-spots" in Brooklyn.
|Jun-10-15|| ||HeMateMe: Is the Bekins heist the same thing as purse snatching?|
|Jun-10-15|| ||AylerKupp: <Joshka> Poor misunderstood Fischer. After turning down millions of dollars in endorsements, the 1975 Fischer – Karpov match, and who know how many other title defenses, he was just tying to make a living. Then the U.S. Government has the audacity to send him a letter informing him that if he played a chess match with a cash prize in the then-Yugoslavia, that this would be in violation of Executive Order 12810, imposing sanctions against Serbia and Montenegro. It simply was possible that Fischer was not aware of the restrictions and the penalties for violating them, so the U.S. Treasury department was informing him. They might have even thought that they were providing him a service.|
So what does Fischer do? He ignores the letter, goes to Yugoslavia anyway to play the match, and even holds a press conference where the spits on the letter. But the incident so damages his psyche that he proceeds to pay his owed back taxes, settle in the US, and retrieves his alleged collection of personal memorabilia from the Bekins Storage facility in Pasadena before they can be suposedly stolen. Assuming, of course, that they existed at all.
BTW, have you ever seen that letter? I couldn't find a legible official copy but here is a link to the contents of the letter: http://www.chess.com/article/view/d.... It is so threatening that I could hardly contain my fear when reading it (I was not involved in the Yugoslavia affair but, with the U.S. Government's involvement, you never know whether they might also come after you just because you read the letter).
Yes, I also can't help but ponder how different it would have all turned out if the U.S. Treasury Department had not sent Fischer that letter. And I also can't help but ponder what might have happened if Fischer had turned his considerable intellect to fields other than chess. If he had turned it towards medicine we surely would have cured cancer and other deadly diseases by now. If he had turned it towards politics he surely would have become president of the U.S. If he had turned it towards peacekeeping efforts I'm sure that the Arab-Israeli conflicts, the India-Pakistan conflicts, and all other major conflicts around the world would have been settled by now. And the list goes on an on. Sigh ... what the world missed when Fischer decided to dedicate himself to chess. But then, we have a legacy of beautiful games and that surely is more important than any other might-have-been accomplishments.
|Jun-10-15|| ||Petrosianic: if he played a chess match with a cash prize in the then-Yugoslavia, that this would be in violation of Executive Order 12810, imposing sanctions against Serbia and Montenegro.>|
Not quite. This is a major piece of retroactive history about Fischer, that he didn't break the law, just an Executive Order (as if that makes it okay). No, he did break the law, specifically the International Emergency Economic Powers Act. All that the Executive Order did was order him to obey the law and warn what would happen if he didn't.
|Jun-10-15|| ||AylerKupp: <Petrosianic> You are technically correct that Executive Orders are not "laws" in the sense that they are not passed by a legislative body, e.g. Congress. But Executive Orders have the full force of law when they take authority from a legislative power such as the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, plus the National Emergencies Act and others as listed in Executive Order 12810 (http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?...). At least according to that paragon of jurisprudence, WikiPedia. So, while not technically a "law", I wouldn't want to violate one of these Executive Orders if the U.S. Government is has set its mind to enforce it, which in Fischer's case it apparently did.|
So I guess a pertinent question is why the U.S. Government set its mind to enforce it in this instance. Why single out the greatest chess player that the U.S. ever produced? Perhaps it had to do with Fischer's behavior prior to the start of the 1992 match when during the pre-match conference, he spat on the letter. I guess if you're going to violate a U.S. Executive Order you shouldn't draw attention to that fact by spitting on it in public. Or, as Jim Croce sang:
"You don't tug on superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off that old lone ranger
And you don't mess around with Jim"
Then again, Fischer never did try to do things the easy way.
|Jun-12-15|| ||A.T PhoneHome: Fischer was a quirky mixture of idealism (wanting chess to be taken seriously) and inability to compromise, because to compromise was to push his dream of becoming World Champion a tiny bit further away.|
That or he pushed himself towards the title and thought "Since I'm doing this, why not make people respect chess as a serious affair?".
|Jun-12-15|| ||cunctatorg: Fischer's deepest motivation regarding his 1992 choices (violation of the Executive Order + spitting on the letter in public) was his desire to make amends about his humiliation within the Pasadena Jailhouse, in fact his "legitimate" abuse... and -at this very point- he wasn't paranoid at all... You see, the policemen told him explicitly that they had their orders and furthermore they made clever and decisive use of his (reasonable) fear that he was mentally disturbed...|
|Jun-14-15|| ||Joshka: <cunctatorg> Good point about his Pasadena jail lockup...........recall someone on chessgames.com. was going to look into the official record about what happened, mugshots/ect....would be interesting to hear the OTHER side of the story from the police department. Bobby was even locked up for around a week in Japan PRIOR to the 2004 detention somewhere around 1999 or 2000. So still many accounts that should be public record have not surfaced in regards to Bobby's brushes with the law!!|
|Jun-14-15|| ||A.T PhoneHome: <Joshka> You should consider a career as an attorney; seeing as the way the law enforcement treats people seems to interest you so much! :P heh|
|Jun-14-15|| ||john barleycorn: < A.T PhoneHome: <Joshka> You should consider a career as an attorney;...>|
more of a Fischer paparazzi.
|Jun-14-15|| ||Joshka: <A.T PhoneHome> Over 30 some years in law enforcement is enough, thank you!;-) Just seems to me, that when doing studies on Fischer you need to take into account his brushes with the law. Really surprised Brady could not or WOULD not disclose the details of these two busts of Fischer and share details. Heck Bobby should have gone into practicing law considering all of his solo efforts in litigation!!|
|Jun-14-15|| ||HeMateMe: Morphy memorized the Louisiana legal code. Fischer would have memorized the Bourbon street menus.|
|Jun-15-15|| ||Big Pawn: Fischer meets Bob Hope - funny episode.
|Jun-22-15|| ||S4NKT: Fischer I listened to your radio interviews when you were alive and you inspired me.|
|Jun-23-15|| ||Petrosianic: If you were inspired by his radio interviews, I take it you're posting from some correctional facility.|
Better that you should have been inspired by his chess.
|Jun-28-15|| ||Diocletian: It is not possible that a valid 'law' could emanate from the likes of the third-generation criminal and traitor G.H.W. Bush. Read about this crime family, supporters of Hitler. ( If you're contemptuous of the Internet, you could try a well referenced book like Family of Secrets.) GHW Bush is the only person in the world who cannot remember where he was on Nov 22, 1963. ( He was in Dallas.)|
The U.S. is perpetually at war in most of the world, committing genocide in one country after another. Maybe chess should be criminalized globally so as not to impede the accumulation of greater wealth by leaders who spit on the Constitution.
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