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|Oct-29-14|| ||Petrosianic: The King's Gambit one was so good because of the double whammy. The smart readers think they've figured it out right from the beginning. What, the King's Gambit loses by force? If we could solve an entire opening that way, the whole game would be played out.|
So then, they think they've got the joke, and then it hits you with the real one. Oh, by the way, the only move that DOESN'T lose is 3. Be2.
|Oct-29-14|| ||zanzibar: KGA link (I think):
and also this:
|Oct-29-14|| ||HeMateMe: Canadians out there? Re: the summit series, Canada v. the USSR, wasn't there a later summit series, maybe five years later? this one was best of seven, and Canada won 4-3, in total games?|
When those soviet teams came over here to play exhibitions, they beat all the NHL teams except Edmonton, who had a fellow named Gretzky playing.
|Oct-29-14|| ||schweigzwang: <Petrosianic> you don't happen to still have that web page up by any chance?|
|Oct-29-14|| ||Petrosianic: No, but I'm pretty sure I have a copy of it on my hard drive. I was just thinking of maybe posting it again on my own website, just as a curiosity. I'll mention it here if I do.|
|Oct-29-14|| ||zanzibar: <Petrosianic> I was wondering the same... yes, let us know if you do.|
|Oct-29-14|| ||thegoodanarchist: <ljfyffe: <thegoodanarchist> Much that you say of Fischer is true, but you manage to undermine all your assertions by posting that silly 80/20
figure....a look at the long history of chess puts
matters in proper perspective>
Not really that silly. Chess was calcified into the same ol' same ol' which was repeated year after year, well into the television era.
Fischer pretty much took chess out of the 19th century comfort zone it was in and modernized it. Professionalized it. For goodness sake, who gave a flying flip about chess until Fischer? The Soviets and a few tiny enclaves of non-Soviets.
Who payed any money for chess? Basically it had been 40 years since Capablanca-Alekhine, the last decent prize fund for the ultimate chess competition.
Sure, chess theory was filled out. More lines, more combinations, but how was that any different from what was happening in Greco's day?
You, sir, are not a visionary. So you don't understand watershed change, as demonstrated by your post.
|Oct-30-14|| ||ljfyffe: <the goodanarchist>l was interested in chess
prior to Fischer who was able to give the game
a good jolt especially in America because of the Cold War era and television. He who comments on the evolution of chess should have a good understanding of the present as well as of the past which you apparently do not.
Having extensively researched players such as Steinitz and Marshall gives one perspective.
The Soviets, for example, were johnny-come-
latelies; history does not begin and end with one's own existence on earth. Fischer, like
many before him, did much to advance chess;
it's only the 80/20 figure that l consider to be way off the mark. For example, at one time, it was considered crude to play for cash.
|Oct-30-14|| ||Bob Loblaw: Canada won the 72 series by brute force. Valeri kharmalov was the Russian Wayne Gretzky, by far and away the best forward on the ice. In the ultimate game the Canadian coach, Harry Sinden, then the coach of the Boston Bruins inhe NHL, sent Bobby Carke (perhaps the dirtiest player who has ever laced on a skate) out on the ice with orders to get Kharmalov. This Clarke did by by slashing the Russian forward hard enough to break his ankle. As a Canadian it pains me to say it but that Soviet team with Tretiak in goal was better than our boys and deserved to win. That said, Canada won the gold at Sochi with what was unquestionably the greatest team ever assembled.|
|Oct-30-14|| ||ljfyffe: <Bob Loblaw> l completely agree.|
|Oct-30-14|| ||ljfyffe: Interesting note on my nephew, Iain: "For Fyffe, one of those cold New Brunswick winters stands out more than the others- that of 1988-89, one of the glory years for the Canadiens. That Christmas, Fyffe's family purchased an NHL handbook, and at 13 years of age, Fyffe discovered that .....his true hockey sensibility came in the form of an ability to analize the game's statistics in ways others weren't familar
with." From <HockeyNomics> by Darcy Norman Over Time Books, 2009.
weren't fsmilar eith|
|Oct-30-14|| ||zanzibar: Clarke's featured for his missing chiclets here:
I wonder how ljfyffe's salad compares...?
|Oct-30-14|| ||diceman: <ljfyffe:
history does not begin and end with one's own existence on earth.>
...maybe for this guy:
<Marion Tinsley (February 3, 1927 – April 3, 1995) is considered the greatest checkers player who ever lived. He was world champion from 1955–1958 and 1975–1991. Tinsley never lost a World Championship match, and lost only seven games (two of them to the Chinook computer program) in his entire 45-year career. He withdrew from championship play during the years 1958–1975, relinquishing the title during that time.>
|Oct-30-14|| ||ljfyffe: <zanibar> not getting any younger, but Mother Nature has allowed me to keep my hair and its original colour----spelled with a "u", by the way.|
|Oct-30-14|| ||zanzibar: Ah, louky fellouw, the alloure and beouty of your saloude rouling is shouing.|
|Oct-30-14|| ||ljfyffe: By george, I think he's got it! ....a bit of fine-tuning may be necessary, however.|
|Oct-30-14|| ||thegoodanarchist: <ljfyffe> I have enough of an understanding of the past and present in chess know the magnitude of the various changes in the game/sport.|
For example, the Soviets were Johnnies-come-lately simply because the Soviet Union was new relative to chess. Russia, however, was not, and her citizens such as Chigorin and Alekhine are key players in the history of official World Championships:
History of the World Chess Championship
I studied the various world champions and read about their matches long before we started our back and forth, and was able to learn about the popular ones (Tal-Botvinnik, Alekhine-Capa, Fischer-Spassky, for examples) long before chessgames.com existed.
The point is, the stuff you think should be weighted higher than 20% in my 80-20 ratio is run of the mill, evolutionary change. Whereas the stuff that I weight at 80% in that ratio is grand, revolutionary stuff.
|Oct-30-14|| ||thegoodanarchist: < <keypusher: <ljfyffe: <keypusher> l' m not being real serious here.>|
Poe's Law is always in effect on the Fischer page. Someone just claimed <Chess today is where it is today because of 80% by Fischer and 20% by everyone else who ever played> and meant it.>
Yes, and another person inferred that it is extremism to claim that Fischer revolutionized chess in mutliple ways that had much greater impact on the game than all the mundane baloney that people seem to value so much :)
By the way, aren't you the fellow who thought Stalingrad was in Ukraine? I seem to remember you implying something like that in a post back in January.
|Oct-30-14|| ||ljfyffe: I appreciate what you are saying, except the diminishing of the entire history of chess before Fischer to a mere 20 per cent of importance. That's all.|
|Oct-30-14|| ||zanzibar: <<thegoodanarchist> ... all the mundane baloney that people seem to value so much>|
Like good moves?
|Oct-31-14|| ||ljfyffe: How can the impact that chess has had be
quantified? <"At age 13, the Nazis placed (Hrdlicka) into a camp for re-education. He said that most of the education was for the body, little for the mind. Luckily, he had taken with him a book on chess, which, he stated, was full of 'subhumans of all kinds', such as the Jews Steinitz, Lasker, Tarrasch, Rubinstein, Nimzowitsch, Tartakower and Spielmann, the Russians Aljechin, Tschigorin, Schiffers, and
Trolstoy, archenemies such as the British
Blackburne, Mason and Staunton, and the Cuban
Capablanca and the American Morphy.......' Chess to me, at that time, was my window to the world.'">
|Oct-31-14|| ||ljfyffe: The Steinitz Papers by Kurt Landsberger.|
|Oct-31-14|| ||keypusher: <By the way, aren't you the fellow who thought Stalingrad was in Ukraine? I seem to remember you implying something like that in a post back in January.>|
Don't blame me for your poor reading comp, 80/20.
|Oct-31-14|| ||Petrosianic: Stalino was in the Ukraine. Stalingrad and Stalino were always getting each other's mail.|
|Oct-31-14|| ||Petrosianic: Speaking of Stalingrad, my all-time favorite Stalingrad joke:|
"Where were you born?"
"Where did you grow up?"
"Where do you live now?"
"Where would you like to live?"
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