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|Jul-20-14|| ||fedalio: <john barleycorn> yes agreed. Whereas our man Garry caused Intel to walk away from sponsorship so he could pocket a tidy sum from IBM for playing Deep Blue. And even then he backed the wrong horse, with intel chips powering the Rybka, Houdini monsters today, while Deep Blue is booking airline seats or whatever it does.|
|Jul-20-14|| ||Absentee: Actually, Deep Blue was a dedicated mainframe with specifically built cpus. It couldn't possibly be reused, except maybe as scrap metal. Houdini and Rybka are powered by whatever you run them on, being engines and not physical machines.|
|Jul-20-14|| ||fedalio: <absentee> your source?|
Here is mine:
|Jul-20-14|| ||fedalio: <absentee>
And another source:
"United recently bought IBM's Deep Blue supercomputer -- the machine that beat world chess champ Garry Kasparov -- to forecast demand and adjust prices. It's expected to make more than 10 million fare changes this year in pursuit of higher profits.
Deep Blue cost $20 million "but we expect it to enhance revenues by $100 million a year," said Bob Merz, director of domestic pricing for United in Chicago."
|Jul-20-14|| ||john barleycorn: < fedalio: ...
Deep Blue cost $20 million "but we expect it to enhance revenues by $100 million a year," said Bob Merz, director of domestic pricing for United in Chicago.">
The estimate of the PR and the advertising effect of the match was given at US$ 250,000,000?.
|Jul-20-14|| ||fedalio: The noble Canadian federation sees right through Garry:|
""With respect to the GK campaign team, you have not respected the Canadian Chess Federation executive and have at each step behaved offensively and disrespectfully. Your actions have been sneaky and undemocratic. You turned an ally into an opponent. I dread the consequences for Canadian chess and world chess if you succeed in your aims."
|Jul-20-14|| ||HeMateMe: You are claiming that Intel dropped sponsorship of PCA chess events, because GK played the famous IBM deep Blue machine? GK deliberately sank his own child, the PCA, to pocket some money? That's a long stretch, to imply that Intel gave up on the PCA just because IBM got some nice publicity with the world's greatest player. |
Maybe Intel just ran out of money?
|Jul-20-14|| ||john barleycorn: <HeMateMe> are you the same guy as in January? Here is Kasparov's version of the Intel deal. Of course, it had nothing to do with him playing IBM's Deep Blue from his view.|
The Caissars chessforum
HeMateMe: I'd like to submit this as post of the year. Rather than reference a page, it might just be easier to put up a copy of the post (from user JohnBarleycorn).
It details Kasparov's account of the collapse of the PCA, which to me rings true:
john barleycorn: http://en.chessbase.com/post/garry-... <The PCA was not a big organization ...
It had commercial sponsorship, the only time in the history of chess that we had the sponsorship of a blue-chip company, Intel. There was a two year contract. It had never happened before and hasn’t happened since. ...
One of the incidents worth mentioning is that in 1995 we introduced a code of ethics, under pressure from Intel. We needed to protect the sponsors and organizers. It was ‘anti-Kamsky,’ nobody tried to hide that....
Then in Linares that year the players, led by Karpov and others, signed a petition to protect what they called their “human rights” against this code of ethics. This petition was not missed by Intel and it did not make them very happy. You could dislike what I did, you could call me the hijacker of the world championship, but at the end of the day I brought commercial sponsorship. We struggled but we ran some great events, the Grand Prix was unprecedented. Kramnik, Anand, Ivanchuk, they made a lot of money and they thrived thanks to these events. And there was not a word of support from them. There was no support from the elite but there were plenty of complaints and attacks and Intel saw this.”>
<At the same time, the PCA ran into a brick wall when Intel declined to renew their sponsorship of the Grand Prix. The conventional wisdom now is that Intel pulled the plug when Kasparov played Deep Blue under the auspices of IBM, an Intel competitor. You can see the frustration in Kasparov’s face when he hears this story yet again.
“November, 1995 is when chess really hit its low. This was a crucial moment and it is important to clear this up. Everyone simply repeats the fairy tale that Intel pulled its sponsorship of the PCA because I played Deep Blue. Every player and journalist just repeats this. At the end of November, 1995, I was in London in the office of Rod Alexander [whose sports promotion company, SBI, had Intel Europe as a client], and we got a call from Intel Europe.
Intel Europe, in Germany, they backed our idea, but they reported to the Intel board. And the board rejected the sponsorship proposal. We wanted two more years, and they supported us in Europe, but the board rejected it. That was at the end of November, 1995, and I nearly died when I heard the news.
Why? They didn’t give their reasons, but the Germans told us, unofficially, that there had been bad reports. That chess was struggling, having an endless internal war, and that the PCA had failed to build up an internal administrative structure. Yes, everything was true. That is why I don’t want these Grandmasters hiding in the corners. I made mistakes, fine, but the fact that Intel stopped their sponsorship is due to the lack of support and unity in the chess world at that time and everyone was responsible. Those who wrote the letters, complained, and blocked unification have their share of responsibility. Intel did not want to be associated with it anymore. I raised the PCA, I protected it, I fought as hard as I could to keep Intel and I failed.>>
|Jul-20-14|| ||john barleycorn: Oh those ungrateful, undisciplined co-GM's who did not appreciate how he (Kasparov) tore his butt for them...Believe who will...|
|Jul-20-14|| ||fedalio: "Seirawan says he never heard anything about Intel abandoning the PCA prior to the first Deep Blue match, and he is certainly not alone. The chain of announcements that are public knowledge give credence to the “traditional” story that Intel did not pull the plug until after the Deep Blue match. Seirawan recollects that the Intel representative at the 1995 Kasparov-Anand match was “all smiles” and committed to doing it again. Then, after the Deep Blue match was announced, rumors began that said Intel might withdraw, and this was only confirmed publicly after the Deep Blue match."|
|Jul-20-14|| ||MissScarlett: <Seirawan recollects that the Intel representative at the 1995 Kasparov-Anand match was “all smiles” and committed to doing it again.>|
Doesn't prove anything. The timing of Intel's withdrawal would make sense coming at the end of the world championship cycle. The ease with which Kasparov beat Anand, and the lack of TV coverage of the Intel Grand Prix (all I saw were some highlight programmes months later on Eurosport) are other factors that may militate against the notion that the IBM deal was the cause of the split with Intel.
|Jul-20-14|| ||john barleycorn: And 2 or 3 dozen of spectators at top tournaments like Linares convinced the international sponsors that their millions were well spent.|
|Jul-22-14|| ||zanzibar: AP has a video clip of HBO promo with some interesting footage of a young Bobby Fischer (and brief appearances by Evans, Saidy, etc):|
(I guess it's just some footage from HBO's "Bobby Fischer Against the World", but looks different from youtube's selection)
|Jul-23-14|| ||Sally Simpson: The film 'Pawn Sacrifice' is to make it's debut soon at the Canadian Film Festival.|
"Set during the height of the Cold War, this "based on a true story" feature centers on chess legend Bobby Fischer (Tobey Maguire) as he's locked in a gripping championship clash with the Soviets, struggling against his own psychological demons while the whole world anxiously awaits the outcome. Liev Schrieber plays Boris Spassky and Peter Sarsgaard, Sophie Nélisse, Lily Rabe, Robin Weigert, Michael Stuhlbarg and Seamus Davey-Fitzpatrick also star."
"Steven Knight (!) wrote the screenplay and as of now the film does not have a distributor. We'll see if its Toronto world premiere changes that."
Liev Schrieber does indeed look like Spassky. The other lad looks like Spiderman.
|Jul-23-14|| ||diceman: <Liev Schrieber does indeed look like Spassky. The other lad looks like Spiderman.>|
Both have trained on actual
The film will not use "stunt" doubles for "board" scenes.
They'll use the same "H1 Orientation/Square Coordinator" from:
"Searching For Bobby Fischer"
<The other lad looks like Spiderman.>
Critics have called Tobey's part:
"The Role of the Century."
Rex Reed gave it 6-0, 6-0!
Contrary to early rumors,
Tobey/Bobby will not shoot a web pinning
(notice the chess reference)
Spassky's hand to the table, when he reaches to play 30.g3, trapping Fischer's bishop during Game 1.
|Jul-23-14|| ||Sally Simpson: When they get to the bit where the Russians search the chairs and light fittings and find two dead flies...|
...Tobey Maguire will revert back to Spiderman and eat them.
Also look out for the 'Poison Pawn' being taken in Game 11...
Actually, I've just had a thought (it happens sometimes.)
In the famous 'From Russia with Love' chess scene the producers slightly changed the position from what happend in the Spassky-Bronstein game because they thought (or their lawyers thought - it happens sometimes.) that chess games were copyright.
I wonder if the producers of this film think the same and we are going to see 21 new games!
There are three credited actress's: Sophie Nélisse, Lily Rabe and Robin Weigert.
Bobby's Mum, Bobby's Sister............and who?
Don't tell me they have brought in a love triangle.
Is this where Hollywood re-writes chess history and we possibly see:
Bobby Fischer having an affair with Boris Spassky's wife.
Bobby has a Russian girl-friend and she is in mortal danger if he wins.
(Oh the drama of it all.....)
|Jul-23-14|| ||Petrosianic: <In the famous 'From Russia with Love' chess scene the producers slightly changed the position from what happend in the Spassky-Bronstein game because they thought (or their lawyers thought - it happens sometimes.) that chess games were copyright.>|
I'd heard it differently. I heard that they took away those pawns because the director thought it was more photogenic that way.
|Jul-23-14|| ||Sally Simpson: Hi Petrosianic.
John B Henderson (this one).
G Chandler vs J B Henderson, 1994
Wrote a detailed report about the history of this piece of film joggery pokery in his column in The Scotsman.
Another lad mentions it here:
Spassky vs Bronstein, 1960
posted dated August 1st. 2013.
"The only difference between the two games was that, in the Bond movie, there were no pawns on d4 and c5. This remained a mystery for 40 years until it was revealed that the legendary Bond producers, Albert “Cubby” Broccoli and Harry Saltzman, mistakenly believed there to be a copyright on chess games, so they had the pawns removed from the board."
|Jul-23-14|| ||ketchuplover: An exhibition on Bobby Fischer will be at the World Chess Hall of Fame through June 7,2015|
|Jul-23-14|| ||Petrosianic: I think I heard the photogenic claim from a Soltis column, so he might have been either mistaken or guessing.|
|Jul-23-14|| ||AylerKupp: I for one am glad that I'm interested in chess. It helped prevent me from growing up.|
|Jul-23-14|| ||Sally Simpson: Hi Petrosianic,
I heard that too, also the one that a couple of the pawns had been stolen or the props team never made enough pieces.....But Snooper Henderson dug out the details.
"A Memorable Life: A Glimpse into the Complex Mind of Bobby Fischer."
Anybody here live in Saint Louis, Missouri. Do you want to pop in and tell us what it's all about.
(Who was Louis and how come they made him a saint.)
|Jul-23-14|| ||AylerKupp: <<Sally Simpson> Who was Louis and how come they made him a saint.>|
|Jul-23-14|| ||northernfox: <Sally et. al.>
Just to be specific, the world premiere of the movie "Pawn Sacrifice" will take place at the 2014 Toronto International Film Festival (September 4-14).
|Jul-23-14|| ||diceman: <Sally Simpson:
(Who was Louis and how come they made him a saint.)>
He was saint because he was married to Miss Ouri.
...supposedly she was difficult to get along with.
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