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|Apr-24-15|| ||A.T PhoneHome: I doubt Hitler was too happy about Jesse Owens' success. :P|
And I feel you for the Miracle on Ice. Wasn't it college players pitted against Soviets? If I remember it right of course.
|Apr-24-15|| ||Petrosianic: Not about Owens specifically, he wasn't. But there's a lot of myth around those olympics. The Germans won heavily overall, which Hitler was quite happy about. And the Owens snub story is untrue, according to Owens' own biography.|
What happened was that on the first day, Hitler congratulated all the German winners, but not the others. The IOC told him he couldn't do that. He'd have to congratulate all of them or none of them. He chose to congratulate none of them, and stuck to it for the rest of the games. By the time Owens won his medal, there was no need to make any special excuse not to congratulate him.
|Apr-24-15|| ||A.T PhoneHome: Oh, okay then. Well it's easy to make the assumption considering Hitler's reign so pardon me!|
Didn't some Egyptian weightlifter receive enormous appreciation from Hitler? Like he said "I hope you consider Germany your second home" or something like that.
|Apr-24-15|| ||TheFocus: <Petrosianic> Having never read Owen's biography, I accepted the "snub story" as fact.|
|Apr-24-15|| ||A.T PhoneHome: You know what I find so fascinating about sports?
The fact we can say what is statistically a standard in all sports. Elevating the standards brings in more of those who weren't previously enthusiastic about some sport.
Some do it for the trend while the others genuinely are interested and for whatever reasons, the sport receives more attention.
|Apr-24-15|| ||Lambda: <Miracle on Ice has to be the biggest moment ever. It was so much more of an upset than Fischer beating Spassky.
Jesse Owens in Berlin is No. 2
Michael Phelps-pick an Olympics-is no. 3.
Nadia's perfect Tens are moment No. 4.
Five gold medals for Eric Heiden in speed skating is no. 5.>
*Can't help noticing that four out of those five are US victories.*
|Apr-24-15|| ||Karposian: <*Can't help noticing that four out of those five are US victories.*>|
LOL, nope. Five out of five. Remember Nadia is one of ours now. She's lived in the USA for many years and is now a US citizen.
But to really make <HeMateMe>'s excellent greatest Olympic moments list an all American list, let's exchange Nadia with Mary Lou 1984.
First female gymnast outside Eastern Europe to win the Olympic All Round title, now that's really something!
|Apr-24-15|| ||HeMateMe: <*Can't help noticing that four out of those five are US victories.*>|
You're right. Lets replace Phelps with Indonesian dominance in badmitton and repeat gold medals for France in the fencing competition.
|Apr-24-15|| ||A.T PhoneHome: <HeMateMe> I think your list looks gorgeous once you replace Phelps with East Germany's javelin thrower women.|
|Apr-24-15|| ||Karposian: <A.T.> Dunno 'bout that, but the list definitely looks less gorgeous without Nadia. Just sayin'.|
|Apr-24-15|| ||Sally Simpson: Hi Petrosinic,
Re Jesse Owens:
Hitler shook Owen's hand after the medal ceremony , Owens carried a picture of this event in his wallet.
He tried for a while to quell the Hitle snub rumour not because he felt any sympathy for Hitler but because it was not true.
Owens was given a celebration dinner at the Waldorf Astoria. Owens was not allowed in the customers lift and had to attend his own celebration dinner by using the service elevator.
This was all covered in UK documentary a few years ago.
WIKI mentions a waving at each other incident. (I know Wiki is a tad unreliable) but it also cover the picture of the handshake story.
Re: The American refusing their medals.
But what about the Olympic spirit and the fun is taking part, not the winning. :)
No need to get a copy of NIC. It will no doubt get a good airing on here.
Might be an idea to keep away from this page till the dust settles. Seems everyone and their dog has a view of Fischer's mental health problems.
We need two Fischer threads. One were we just revel in his games and another for the armchair bampots.
|Apr-24-15|| ||optimal play: <*Can't help noticing that four out of those five are US victories.*>|
<LOL, nope. Five out of five. Remember Nadia is one of ours now. She's lived in the USA for many years and is now a US citizen. But to really make <HeMateMe>'s excellent greatest Olympic moments list an all American list, let's exchange Nadia with Mary Lou 1984.>
I'm reliably informed that the American media only broadcasts Americans winning gold medals at the olympics, thus the American public is completely ignorant of any other country competing unless they're beaten by an American.
As for that “list” produced by HMM, I would say Jesse Owens, Michael Phelps & Nadia Comãneci would be in any top ten, but I doubt many people outside the US would even be familiar with "Miracle on Ice".
And I don’t see how Usain Bolt could be left off any list (oh wait ... he's not an American)
|Apr-24-15|| ||Karposian: <Sally Simpson> Interesting info about Jesse Owens.|
Yes, clearly the Hitler snub is just a myth. From the Wikipedia article that you linked to, it is clear that the real snub came not from Hitler, but from President Roosevelt.
After the Berlin Olympics FDR never invited the four time gold medalist Owens to the White House. In Jesse's own words:
<"Hitler didn't snub me – it was our president who snubbed me. The president didn't even send me a telegram.">
|Apr-24-15|| ||Jim Bartle: <I'm reliably informed that the American media only broadcasts Americans winning gold medals at the olympics,>|
That is a dirty lie. They also broadcast Americans winning silver, bronze, and failing to win a medal at all.
|Apr-24-15|| ||Jim Bartle: Winter Olympics:
1! Franz Klammer winning the downhill at the 1976 Olympics in Innsbruck. Never seen anything like it.
|Apr-24-15|| ||Karposian: <1! Franz Klammer winning the downhill>|
That's a good pick <Jim>, Klammer is probably the greatest downhill skier ever.
Tommy Moe's surprise downhill win in Lillehammer 1994 was also great fun, but my no.1 Winter Olympics pick is speed skater Eric Heiden's five golds in Lake Placid. One of the greatest American Olympic athletes ever, in any sport.
Most beautiful Winter Olympian ever? East German figure skater Katarina Witt. But don't tell my wife :)
|Apr-25-15|| ||Jim Bartle: Too young for Dorothy Hamill?|
|Apr-25-15|| ||Karposian: LOL, of course I remember Dorothy, <Jim>. But I still rank Katarina a bit higher. Both in figure skating and in..well, you get the idea.|
|Apr-25-15|| ||Jim Bartle: But, but, Dorothy is...American!|
|Apr-25-15|| ||ughaibu: Mark Spitz.|
|Apr-25-15|| ||Karposian: <ughaibu> Well, if you prefer Mark Spitz to Dorothy and Katarina, that's fine by me. I mean, who are we to judge? Heart wants what it wants. That's just the way it is.|
|Apr-25-15|| ||ughaibu: I'm at the disadvantage of never having heard of Dorothy or Katarina, sad to say.|
|Apr-25-15|| ||Sally Simpson: I remember watching Mark Spitz on telly in '72.
One incident comes to mind. He held up a pair of trainers waving them to the cheering crowd. A totally innocent thing.
The Russians (yes them again) complained that Mark was actually endorsing a makers brand therefore was not an amateur sportsman and therefore should be banned from the Olympics.
That one was thrown out of court.
The Russians got around the amateur status rule by making all their top athletes majors and captains in the army. (they only time they ever put on a uniform was for their passport photo.)
The Cold War....the good old days.
|Apr-25-15|| ||MagnusVerMagnus: OK, just came back from the Spurs victory, just want to say this once. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A MORE SELF-CENTERED EGOTISTICAL, NARCISSIST, that had so many chess playing-idiots worshiping him because of where he was born. HE never did ANYTHING for anyone but for himself, everyone helped him, he helped NO-ONE. He was a decrepit horrible human being, you want a memorial, put it at the base of new Twin Towers!!!! With a giant apology for forsaking his country which stood by him and fought for him.|
|Apr-25-15|| ||HeMateMe: <optimal play> The US televised Olympics coverage goes for <all> of the sports, especially ones that will have a US-interested audience. Thus swimming, most track and field events, figure skating, down hill skiing, things with broad appeal are covered here, even if the US is not a strong contender for medals.|
However, it is rare that USA television covers the actual medal awarding ceremony to any other country. That's not out of jingoism, but because the people paying a few hundred $million dollars for tv rights here don't want the audience to turn the channel because the Bulgarian national anthem is about to be played, soul stirring though it may be.
We don't cover the women's hammer throw, ballroom dancing or a favorite in Poland, the Javelin catching competition, even if Americans are involved. Some events just don't sell, over here.
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