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May-24-13
 | | harrylime: <lamont: ###
harry lime ~
Try, for the nonce,
shooting-up on Ovaltine.
[You'll make more friends.]>
lol
As I replied to you before <Lament> I'm not on here to 'make friends' and I loath sychophants and cliques. OK? Why don't you just use the 'ignore' option? |
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May-24-13
 | | Joshka: <AylerKupp> Bobby's so called 179 demands, well, I've read and heard so many different numbers, 181, 182, ect. Have you ever seen them in print? I doubt it, cause I believe this is another one of those events, where something is made up to try to make Bobby look unreasonable in the publics eye. The man is dead and gone, can't FIDE release the appropriate documents so once and for all we can study the evidence? You are correct, there was ample precedent for a tied match, Champion retains the title. Still believe the TRUE story has yet to be told. |
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| May-24-13 | | RFW3: That's a pretty fair point, Joshka. The only demands we've been told about are the race to ten wins, unlimited games, and the 9-9 tie provision. I think however it's reasonable to believe it would not have been above Fischer to have made so many demands, especially now that he was the champion. |
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May-24-13
| | harrylime: ^^^
Things is does it really matter now ?
Fischer's place in chess history is assured.His impact obvious. No match in 75' and a chess vacum ensued which the soviets filled with their main man ... lol The political hold the soviets had on fide and the world of chess back then killed off any chance of a period of time whereby the public could witness the greatest chess player of all time defending his title .. But history irons over these things ... |
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May-24-13
 | | whiteshark: There is an artifact called <Bobby Fischer's Bag of Marbles>. The marbles were said to increase focus and determination, a direct reference to his chess playing skills. Huhh ;) |
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May-24-13
 | | TheFocus: Good one <whiteshark>. |
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May-24-13
| | Joshka: <RFW3> Absolutely. Very reasonable for the sitting World Chess Champion to put forth conditions. But rather than just keep repeating like they ALWAYS do, the NUMBER of demands, let's see them for a change!! Karpov holds the key as well. He met with Bobby a few times, but has never really gone into all the details. What's he hiding? We're given scraps, pieces, basically rubbish, and we're expected to be satisfied?? No one seems to care either, everyone seems to say, "Oh, well Bobby was crazy, lade da, lade da" Maybe documents are stored away, locked in a vault somewhere. I can't believe those who know, have all passed on. I better stop venting, sorry, when I write about this subject, I want to SCREAM. ;-) |
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May-24-13
| | harrylime: <whiteshark: There is an artifact called <Bobby Fischer's Bag of Marbles>. The marbles were said to increase focus and determination, a direct reference to his chess playing skills.
Huhh ;)>
What is YOUR opinion <whiteshark> ? I don't wanna discuss 'marbles' lol |
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May-24-13
 | | Tomlinsky: <Joshka: Absolutely. Very reasonable for the sitting World Chess Champion to put forth conditions.> The conditions proposed by Fischer weren't the problem, it was that they were unconditional. As my grandfather used to say... "If you only want one answer then don't ask a question in the first place". |
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May-24-13
| | harrylime: Joshka> Leave it chap. It's gone..
And the soviets won and had the last word...
But they did'nt ..
Genius always shines thru in history.. |
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May-24-13
| | harrylime: Any chance we can focus on the beauty of Fischer's chess on these pages instead of tired old redundant arguments ??? |
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May-24-13
| | TheFocus: <Any chance we can focus on the beauty of Fischer's chess on these pages instead of tired old redundant arguments ???> If we did that, this page would be ruined. |
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May-24-13
| | TheFocus: 1809 pages down the tubes <harry>. |
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May-24-13
| | harrylime: Maybe . ..
Fischer's chess is so sublime and beautiful it's a shame these pages get sucked into stuff nothing to do with his art.. Fischer is a dinosaur now for kids getting into chess.. But he's a monster in his influence.
I guess if Mozart was around now his twitter page would be exploding and his you tube would be too .. But not on this site
Mozart's bio would be maybe three very skinny paragraphs at best lol lol ... Not in the Nigel Short league for sure lol lol lol |
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May-24-13
| | TheFocus: <harry> I do agree with you that some important chess players bios are for the dogs. Shameful. |
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May-24-13
 | | perfidious: Likewise, and I rectify any such shortcomings in the bios whenever possible. |
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| May-25-13 | | lamont: ###
HeMateMe ~
You 'bitzed Bobby had no friends ??
Well, Charlie Brown,
neither did Diogenes...!!
(Read D's Wiki entry...& learn something. |
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May-25-13
 | | HeMateMe: Lamont, I love his chess games, but he was a very flawed human being. |
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| May-25-13 | | lamont: ###
^^^
harrylime ~
Yr/ reflective, serious post beginning:
"... does it really matter now?"
For me,
--just knocked it out of the ballpark !!
All yr/ points were salient... & true.
Corrupt Russia controlled corrupt FIDE.
This nasty combo, symmetrically
- kept Bobby from the WC before '72
- kept Bobby from the WC after '72.
The main reason/motivation
he made demands up the kazoo
before deigning to play in Iceland
izzat he was burning w/ years of anger/outrage
for having been denied his rightful Crown
by FIDE organized rules & Soviet nefariousness.
But, mayhap, youre overly optimistic re/
matters... in time... being ironed out.
Witness: The 'wrinkled' vultures still gobbling away at it. ****************
That post made up for a lot of clowning.
Sorry for my pot shots...
Letz start over...
& pick out furniture Monday. (smiley)
Youre right: |
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| May-25-13 | | lamont: ###
HeMateMe ~
After leaving us such an opulent legacy
-that the 'teen Kasparov carried
Bobby's 60 like a Bible
- that WC Vishy cherished openly sharing his
Icelandic moments w/ a "legend" (sic)
- that Friend Tal exulted
Bobby had descended from heaven
- that Friend Gligoric played practice
games preparing for Spassky
- that Friends Zsuzsanna & Judit Polgar
took him in house in his bleakest moments
No GM (above & not)sd/ to him:
Sorry, Bobby...You are too flawed a genius.
If he were flawless - wd/ you still complain
about that mole on the rt/ side of his nose ??
[long pause]
Be thankful for one who gave us a cornucopia of riches
for a relatively short span - think Mozart/Schubert/Gershwin who all, mercifully, didnt take decades to die. |
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| May-25-13 | | Fiona Macleod: I loved him as a person, but his chess games were flawed--he didn't play them. |
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| May-25-13 | | lamont: ###
Tomlinsky ~
W/ all due respect for yr/ grandad...
Bobby's conditions were absolute.
The 10 Commandments are Principles.
Principles are not suggestions,
either Mosaic or personal.
The 95 theses Martin Luther nailed to a church door
contesting Pope Leo X in 1517 were not suggestions.
Nailed beliefs are not meant to be bent,
or removed - metaphorically, or not.
DO YOU KNOW
of anyone else principled enuf
to walk out of a tournament -WINNING ??!!
[May the bucolic hamlet of Dripping Springs, TX thrive. |
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| May-25-13 | | lamont: ###
AylerKupp ~
Where you be at, chiantiman ??
Didja catch my Beethoven 'bitz ??
Take yr/ time...
I'll wait.
Remember i lived in Acaville MX for 16 years.
Living in MX teaches one how to wait.
&&& buy that highly valued LvB biog/ on Amazon !! |
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| May-25-13 | | lamont: ###
Fiona Macleoud ~
I read all yr/ posts.
You mentioned
waiting for Godot.
Beckett wanted & got
Bert Lahr & Buster Keaton for leads.
Sam B/ was in the French resistance in WWII.
He waited many times night after night for someone
to arrive w/ an instructive note written in the simplest of (French) language for him to pass on.
Sound familiar ??
He was also (France) living in hiding in a room writing a novel about the hero named M writing a novel locked in a room. [All his heroes begin w/ an M : Malone/Murphy/Malloy Get Hugh Kenner's "Samuel Beckett, A Critical Study" written in Beckettian simple sentences
(never compound or complex).
&&& as in all of Beckett, there is... never a semi-colon !! Go to Amazon : There are 3 dealers, now, who're selling a hardcover in "good" condition.
There is another dealer selling a hardcover for over $360. This absurd price is driven by algorithms, but
thazz another story.
Kenner (my friend of decades0 was the only critic Beckett allowed/trusted to read typescripts of works-in-progress. Kenner was the most outstanding of all the students of Marshall McLuhan. All kKnner's books on any author replicates/mimes
the very diction/vocabulary of his author-subject. (10 exclams) |
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| May-25-13 | | lamont: ###
Fiona Macleoud ~
BTW/ Them 3 dealers are all asking $9.99 ... |
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