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|Nov-26-12|| ||RookFile: We don't have to speculate too much because Reshevsky did beat Botvinnik in a 4 game set to in 1955. Bronstein admitted later that the Candidates 1953 was fixed.|
|Nov-26-12|| ||ughaibu: RookFile: nice to see you still have your sense of humour.|
|Nov-26-12|| ||perfidious: It does not necessarily follow that Reshevsky would have won a longer match vs Botvinnik because he scored 2.5/4 in what was, after all, a team event. Using the same logic, we might conclude that Larsen was the equal of then-champion Spassky due to his result of +1 -1 =1 in the first USSR-Rest of World match, held in 1970.|
|Nov-26-12|| ||RookFile: I don't think Botvinnik was in great form in 1955. His results that year look like that of an strong GM rather than that of a world dominator. I think he was more preoccupied then with engineering pursuits, while Reshevsky was basically in his prime.|
|Nov-26-12|| ||SimonWebbsTiger: One thing which could have had crucial importance in a Reshevsky-Botvinnik match could have been openings.|
Maybe I am doing Sammy an injustice here; it does seem Botvinnik's approach of thorough preparation, including middlegame positions, would have been too much in view of Sammy's lack of opening knowledge. Add to this the former was well known for severe time trouble too....
|Nov-26-12|| ||talisman: happy birthday Sammy.|
|Nov-26-12|| ||RookFile: Reshevsky would have booked up for Botvinnik, of course. He did the same for Fischer in 1961 and unleashed some interesting opening ideas in that match.|
|Nov-26-12|| ||Poulsen: <perfidious><Using the same logic, we might conclude that Larsen was the equal of then-champion Spassky due to his result of +1 -1 =1 in the first USSR-Rest of World match, held in 1970.> I would say, that Larsen indeed was very equal to Spassky in 1970 - although Spassky would have an edge off course. |
Larsens problem was, that he was - for several reasons - never a really great matchplayer - and thus was destined to never become WCh.
|Nov-26-12|| ||perfidious: <Poulsen> I have long believed that in the period spanning roughly 1967-1970, Larsen's tournament record was superior to that of any player, Fischer and the Soviet GMs included. Trouble was, his optimism (which I regard as an important factor in his successes) got punished at the very highest levels, as Bogolyubov's had before him.|
|Nov-26-12|| ||Eduardo Bermudez: The only chess player who beat every one of the world champions from Lasker to Smyslov and as well like special gift to Bobby Fischer !!|
|Nov-26-12|| ||RookFile: Reshevsky was as elegant as bulldog who would bite your head off.|
|Nov-26-12|| ||ughaibu: So, his record against world champions, disregarding losses, was: win, win, win, win, win, win, no win, no win, win. . . What's the story with Karpov, Kasparov?|
|Nov-26-12|| ||RookFile: He played Karpov once. There are other guys with long careers, but the number of guys who played both Lasker and Karpov is small.|
Reshevsky vs Karpov, 1976
|Nov-26-12|| ||waustad: This is a crowded b'day with Jobava, Chepa and Reshevsky among the famous players. Happy b'day to all. RIP Samuel Reshevsky.|
|Nov-26-12|| ||RookFile: Are those Star Wars characters? I've only heard of Reshevsky.|
|Dec-20-12|| ||jerseybob: Reshevsky's list of Notable Games should certainly include the 1970 win vs. Smyslov in USSR vs World, as white in a Lopez, no less.|
|Jan-11-13|| ||leka: Bobby Fischer wrote in 1964 that Reshevsky was the best chess player from 1946 to 1956.Altough Botvinnik beat Reshevsky from 1936 to 1955 their games 5 wins 7 draws 2 losess.|
|Jan-11-13|| ||Jim Bartle: A single head-to-head record can't determine who's the better player over an era. Otherwise Gulko would be considered greater than Kasparov.|
|Jan-11-13|| ||jussu: <the number of guys who played both Lasker and Karpov is small.>|
Is there any other? It seems that Botvinnik only played Karpov in a simul, which sort of counts, too (he certainly played Lasker in Nottingham and Moscow 1935). Keres never played Lasker (although they met face to face). Can't think of any other candidates.
|Jan-11-13|| ||jussu: One exceedingly stupid person just wrote <Nottingham and Moscow 1935>. Now that I'm thinking about it, Nottingham took place in 1936, while there were tournaments in Moscow both 1935 and 1936, and I think all three featured both Lasker and Botvinnik.|
|Jan-11-13|| ||keypusher: <jussu: One exceedingly stupid person just wrote <Nottingham and Moscow 1935>. Now that I'm thinking about it, Nottingham took place in 1936, while there were tournaments in Moscow both 1935 and 1936, and I think all three featured both Lasker and Botvinnik.>|
Yes, you're right, except for the exceedingly stupid part of course.
|Feb-23-13|| ||technical draw: Reshevsky played in the 1970 Buenos Aires tournament which Fischer won. Fischer had 4 draws Reshevsky had 13 draws. Now drawing can mean that you are too hard to beat (like Petrossian) or to meek to win. In any case even Reshevsky's wins are draw like. I once had a book of Reshevsky's games and I was very happy. But when I started playing the games I said, What the heck is this? Incomprehensible maneuvering and long drawn out strategies.|
Even in his notable games above there are 4 draws. That said Reshevsky is still one of the great ones.
|Feb-23-13|| ||Phony Benoni: Well, two of those notable draws shouldn't really be considered draws. Larry Evans vs Reshevsky, 1963 is the famous "Swindle of the Century", and Szabo vs Reshevsky, 1953 is the game where Szabo didn't realize that you should look for mate in two against Reshevsky.|
|Feb-24-13|| ||RookFile: Reshevsky's mentality when winning was to try to deny his opponent counterplay. Not at all like Tal who just went for the throat. There is a place for the way Reshevsky played. Capa thought his style was a little too restricted - at least that's what he said in "Last Lectures".|
|Apr-22-13|| ||Gottschalk: "If Reshevsky sees a way to make
he does not feel uncomfortable to think 2h and 25 min to seize the opportunity
and turn it into a win."
Zurich Chess tournament Game 137 Reshevsky versus Euwe.
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