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| ivan999: acicre, don't you think that not all chess player necessarily benefit from home field advantage? |
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| Feb-06-09 |
| GM GB: OMG...FIDE's Chairman believes this?????????????????????????
<She is said to have foretold the break-up of the Soviet Union, the Chernobyl disaster, Boris Yeltsin’s electoral victory, the date of Stalin’s death, the sinking of the Russian submarine Kursk, and Topalov’s victory in the world chess tournament> |
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| Feb-06-09 |
| shintaro go: http://interviews.chessdom.com/topa... |
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Feb-06-09
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| Pyke: <GM GB: OMG...FIDE's Chairman believes this?????????????????????????> Well, actually he does! And there's more!
Don't tell me you didn't hear the story of Kirsan, where he tells, that he's been abducted by aliens. |
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| Feb-06-09 |
| Everyone: <Everyone expects victory, while this will be a very difficult match.> Did I say so? Where did you get that, Silvio? |
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Feb-07-09
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| acirce: <ivan999>, sure. Maybe if Topalov had been playing a robot I'd believe him. But in this case it is obvious that it gives him a big psychological advantage. |
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| Feb-08-09 |
| DarthStapler: Hey, that's racist against robots! |
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Feb-08-09
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| badest: <acirce: <ivan999>, sure. Maybe if Topalov had been playing a robot I'd believe him. But in this case it is obvious that it gives him a big psychological advantage.> If Topa has a good start of the match I completely agree with you. But, if the start is not as good as the public expects ... the pressure on Topa will be enormous... (I would not be surprised if most people watching in BG expect the match to be over in max 6 games... and that would not be easy...) |
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| Feb-08-09 |
| ivan999: <acicre>, i don' think its obvious at all... it could be potentially advantageous if topalov has a good start as badest pointed out, but it could also be disadvantageous as the public is disappointed and topalov cannot win a game. There are many examples in sports where the home advantage actually turns into home disadvantage. I remember topalov saying that he usually starts really bad at Mtels because of the public pressure. Nisipeanu once also blamed the public pressure and high exceptions for his inability to play his best game. (during nisipeanu-topalov match in romania). there are other examples, and topalov does seem to agree:
http://players.chessdom.com/veselin... |
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| Feb-09-09 |
| square dance: wasnt the original plan for sofia to host the match anyway? if so, then why is danailov now acting as if this was some unwanted burden being placed on topalov. not to mention the rematch challenge topalov issued to kramnik to played in...you guessed it...sofia, bulgaria. danailov is not a stupid person, but he counts on the probability that the rest of us are. |
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Feb-09-09
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| acirce: <If Topa has a good start of the match I completely agree with you. But, if the start is not as good as the public expects ... the pressure on Topa will be enormous...> The big psychological advantage he has from the beginning increases his chances to get a good start, compared to if the match had been in a neutral country. Note, I'm not talking as much about the issue of home advantage in chess <as such> as much as I am talking about this particular case. Kamsky is definitely and for natural reasons <very> unhappy about having to play in Bulgaria. Usually, the players don't make it to sound like such a big issue, because it really isn't. (Carlsen's comment in New In Chess 2008/1 after the World Cup qualifier comes to mind: <- When I advanced to the semi-final I thought I might win, but the chances were not high, and if I had won, I am not entirely sure if I wanted to play this match in Sofia at all.- Really? What was your point?
- Playing a match in Bulgaria doesn't feel like something I really want to do right now. I'd rather do this at a later stage in my career, some years from now.> ) |
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Feb-09-09
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| acirce: And btw, didn't Topalov start badly in three straight MTel's, just to end up winning them all?! |
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| Feb-09-09 |
| slomarko: pity only <acirce> wasn't telling us about the psychological advantage Kramnik had by playing his match with Topalov at home. you know for Kramnik there was no advantage and everything was ok. but now that Topalov plays at home its bad bad bad. classical <acirce> acrobatics. |
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| Feb-09-09 |
| square dance: its always fun to watch slomarko build up a certain amount of good will towards him and then do his best to trash it with these kinds of commments. i think akavall had made some clever comment a while back about kramnik's "home court advantage" only costing him a point and color odds. |
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| Feb-09-09 |
| slomarko: square dance i see your memory isn't working too well. Kramnik lost a point because he refused to play a game. its as simple as that. he even said in an interview it was a mistake. that says it all. |
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| Feb-09-09 |
| square dance: my memory works fine. most of the time. after winning the match kramnik claimed it was a mistake. sure, we all know that. but it would also have been a mistake to play game 5 under new conditions. so it was one mistake or the other. anyway, the point is that despite the fact that kramnik had a supposed home court advantage he still had a point taken away after an illegal protest(filed too late, iirc). what kind of home court advantage is that?! |
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Feb-09-09
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| acirce: Yes. On neutral ground, Topalov would of course have got at least two or three free points. In all seriousness, probably none of the players was completely happy with the location beforehand. Topalov had to play in Russia, Kramnik had to play in what Topalov himself called "FIDE territory" at a time when it was obvious that FIDE was on Topalov's side. (At that, they even had a big monetary incentive to see Topalov win -- the Topalov-Radjabov match.) The way it turned out, Kramnik said it felt more like playing in Bulgaria than in Russia. Imagine what kind of things the Topalov team can come up with in Sofia, if they could do that stuff in Elista. |
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| Feb-09-09 |
| slomarko: Kramnik fanboys are really brainwashed. |
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| Feb-09-09 |
| square dance: well, with scientific evidence like that i must concede that ive been wrong all along. |
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Feb-09-09
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| JointheArmy: <my memory works fine. most of the time. > Is it the weed <square dance>? :-) |
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| Feb-09-09 |
| ivan999: i am not sure that winning mtel three times is because of home advantage, since topalov has won many other tournaments. he has also started badly in other tournaments, but at mtels, his play in the beginning was particularly weak. the match might have been originally planed to be held in bulgaria, but that doesn't make it topalov's first choice. its just better to play in bulgaria, than not to play at all. anyway, we probably will see in the upcoming games if there is home field advantage or not. |
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| Feb-09-09 |
| square dance: not to get off topic, but the sort of effect ive experienced from smoking marijuana is that <only> your short term memory is affected. so dont get high and wander off into the kitchen looking for munchies while carrying the remote. im always happy to debate the pros and cons of weed smoking on my forum if anyone feels so inclined. |
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| Feb-09-09 |
| Jim Bartle: What were you saying there, square dance? I seem to have wandered off. |
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| Feb-09-09 |
| Augalv: I'm sorry, what was being discussed here? |
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Feb-09-09
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| acirce: Wow, I can't believe I'm the first one to kibitz on this page. |
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