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| Oct-19-09 |
| 13stitches: I think chessgames.com should upload a new photo for Mr. Petrosian. |
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| Oct-19-09 |
| ewan14: Do the statistics not say Spassky is better than Petrosian ? |
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Oct-19-09
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| Nezhmetdinov: <13stitches> No! That photo with its hep 70's vibe and look of utter misery (familiar to all chess players) on the face of the chap at panel bottom left is my favourite of all the CG photos. Plus Tigran (so I understand, I'd be very happy to be proved wrong as it is always pleasant when one's heroes turn out to be decent people) was quite the party loyalist/admirer of the soviet status quo/apparatchik/defecting Korchnoi-hater and the sight of him wowing/destroying the hapless jive turkeys/running dogs of boho New York always brings a smile.
NO I say! |
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Oct-19-09
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| Nezhmetdinov: <arsen387> that link is 404 now - can you help? |
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Oct-20-09
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| arsen387: <Nezh: ...I'd be very happy to be proved wrong as it is always pleasant when one's heroes turn out to be decent people> maybe Natalia Pogonina's words during one of the recent live commentaries can make you happy ;) <Natalia Pogomnina: ...Well, Petrosian, for instance, was very good-natured and kind. But, generally speaking, all this Soviet ideology & mentality prevented them from being the typical western "million dollar smile" celebrities. :-)>
Carlsen vs D Jakovenko, 2009 And about the link, it doesn't work for me either, but searching google for an article with the same caption, I guess this is the same article http://www.en.cigarclan.com/events/... |
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Oct-22-09
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| Nezhmetdinov: Thanks, chap. |
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| Oct-23-09 |
| Petrosianic: <ALMOST LIKE ME!....
I said ALMOST cause, having 2 pillows, i was usual to sleep with the My System under one and with another pubblication under the other...> I'm sure Hef would be proud (nudge, nudge). |
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| Nov-11-09 |
| Lt.Surena: ewan14 wrote: Do the statistics not say Spassky is better than Petrosian ? Petrosian won as many world championships as Bobby and Boris COMBINED and he did it back-to-back. What statistics don't you understand? |
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Nov-11-09
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| talisman: Petrosian displays his famous dry sense of humor when he says,
"okayee...the horsey moves this way..."
The response from the spectators was varied. |
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Nov-19-09
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| muwatalli: does anyone have a collection of petrosian exchange sacrifices? i've heard so much about them but haven't looked at any of them yet! |
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Nov-19-09
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| parisattack: Have you trolled the CG Sacrifice Explorer for Petrosian? Besides Petro - who are the most prolific exchange sac masters? Topalov would be one of them... |
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Nov-19-09
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| Eyal: <muwatalli> Check out Game Collection: Petrosian sacs the exchange. |
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Nov-19-09
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| Eyal: Btw, I've recently been involved in an attempt to collcet all of Fischer's exchange sacs at Fischer vs Larsen, 1971, following somebody's comment that "It's uncanny how many late middlegames / endgames Fischer goes into the exchange down only to end up winning". |
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| Nov-28-09 |
| Everett: I was revisiting some old pages, and was reminded of Sonas' "Chess Oscar," supposedly a statistical, rather than popular, analysis of the best player per year. http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...
Petrosian won it in 1962 and 1969. I know Sonas didn't use this website for his database, but I decided to check out Petrosian's records for both years according to chessgames.com. 1962 +24 =37 -0
1969 +17 =42 -6 (all loses to Spassky in the WC)
Pretty amazing numbers for 1962. Seems Spassky's record in 1969 of +13 =34 -4 (all loses to Petrosian in the final) somehow doesn't beat Petro's. All numbers from this database. |
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Dec-15-09
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| Marmot PFL: <Fischer compared spassky to his candidates opponents Larsen, taimanov and petrosian, he said Spassky was the best....> I think it depends on the player's style. Larsen tended to be over-optimistic while Petrosian at times was overcautious. Also they were both somewhat older than Spassky. |
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| Dec-15-09 |
| Petrosianic: Petrosian lost a step after hitting 40 in 1969. Not a big step, he still won an interzonal at age 50, but it was noticable. Larsen though, was only two years older than Spassky. His problem was that he sometimes couldn't grasp that a draw was better than a loss. But Larsen-Petrosian games are always interesting, because despite the differences, they were both so heavily influenced by Nimzovich. |
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| Dec-29-09 |
| ewan14: Petrosian came first equal in the Soviet Championship , a zonal qualifier, in 1969 which was very impressive indeed On the other hand after he had retained the W.C. in 1966 he had a disappointing tournament in the 2nd P. Cup in Santa Monica ( I THINK ) including 2 losses to Larsen |
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| Dec-29-09 |
| ewan14: According to the database the individual score between Spassky and Petrosian is Boris' 11 wins to Tigran's 10
Only one game but still ! |
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| Dec-29-09 |
| ewan14: Boris did not have to rely on a drawing pact on his way to winning the World Championship. Match victories over Keres , Geller , Tal , Larsen & Korchnoi and as mentioned previously He did not collapse in a match against Fischer the way Petrosian did ! Also , in 1970 Fischer beat Petrosian 2 - 0 in the USSR v. R of the W. MATCH Boris beat Fischer at the Olympiad ! |
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| Dec-29-09 |
| Petrosianic: <Only one game but still !> The difference could come down to this game, which was ultimately an exhibition game, since the title was no longer at stake. Spassky vs Petrosian, 1966
Or, you could look at it this way. They were 1-1 with each other after their matches. Petrosian was 1-0 before their matches, and -1 in the two matches (including the exhibition games). So, looked at this way, the difference might be this game, played <in between> the two matches: Spassky vs Petrosian, 1967
It's a pity there was never a third Petrosian-Spassky match. The best time for this to have happened would have been the 1974 Candidates, in which they both made the semi-finals, but, unfortunately, were paired against Karpov and Korchnoi instead of each other. <On the other hand after he had retained the W.C. in 1966 he had a disappointing tournament in the 2nd P. Cup in Santa Monica ( I THINK ) including 2 losses to Larsen> The Piatigorsky tournament started a mere 2 weeks after the world championship match was over. Petrosian probably still hadn't recovered from the cognac yet, while Spassky had a lot of pent up energy to let fly at somebody. With the 1969 USSR Championship, it was the other way around. Petrosian had lost the match, and so had more to prove, so he played in the championship (after having missed it the last 6 years), and went all out. Also, that tournament took place a lot longer after the match than Piatigorsky had, so no exhaustion factor there. |
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| Dec-29-09 |
| Lt.Surena: ewan14 wrote: 'Boris did not have to rely on a drawing pact on his way to winning the World Championship.' I say horse hockey !!
Tigran WON back-back World Championship because he could ! Bobby couldn't do it because he was a coward. Neither could Boris because he was not good enough. Only the best of the best of any sport or game are worthy and capable of winning back-to-back championships. Sour grapes! You can now join the nutcases (and the racists etc !) in the Bobby's forum. |
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Dec-29-09
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| Marmot PFL: When they played matches with Fischer in the early 70s, Spassky was close to his 5 yr peak (1967-1971) while Petrosian was a few years past his (1960-1964), according to chessmetrics. |
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| Dec-29-09 |
| Petrosianic: <Boris did not have to rely on a drawing pact on his way to winning the World Championship.>
Riverbeast spent 6 months trying to prove that to me, failed to so much as present a case in all that time, and finally declared I was an idiot for not just taking it on faith. I expect no better here. Besides, I don't know what you're mad about. Spassky DID win the title, after all. <He did not collapse in a match against Fischer the way Petrosian did !> Actually, he DID. It's just that his collapse came at the beginning of the match rather than the end. |
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Jan-03-10
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| FSR: Daniel Johnson has more on Petrosian's supposed persecution of Korchnoi in his book "White King and Red Queen: How the Cold War Was Fought on the Chessboard" - http://bit.ly/5VrUmE |
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Jan-03-10
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| FSR: Petrosian's overall record is 64% (of course). |
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