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Apr-29-05
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| Caissanist: The line given above is not the Frankenstein-Dracula variation, it's the Adams Gambit. Larry Evans completely demolished that line in an article in Chess Life in the early sixties, which was later reprinted in Chess Catechism. |
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Aug-06-05
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| Hanada: <Caissanist>
Actually, the Frankenstein-Dracula variation is: (1.e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Bc4 Nxe4!?) as cited by Eric Schiller in his book "The Frankenstein-Dracula Variation in the Vienna Game". https://www.schachversand.de/detail... 6.)d5!? was in idea that Adams came up with and is now known as C27 Vienna: Adams' Gambit in eco. However, it is a sub-variation in the Frankenstein-Dracula variation. |
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| Nov-12-05 |
| torrubirubi: I am interested in Adams through Hans Berliners book The System (Gambit Publications, 1999). As a weak player I find very attractiv the clear Berliners arguments about how to go through the opening. From a historical point of view interesting is a discussion between Berliner and Bob Fischer about "what is the best move in the starting position". Does somebody know this book? |
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| Jun-28-06 |
| Stevens: I read in MCO that Adams believed that the Vienna game led to a forced win by white. Still trying to find it myself, but i do like the Vienna. |
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| Jun-28-06 |
| Stevens: .... having said that, in the games covered here, Weaver Adams played 8 games with 2.Nc3, winning 4 and losing 4. How comprehensive is this database with regard to older tournament? |
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| Jun-28-06 |
| WMD: Well, in a 30+ year career, let's assume he played a lot more than 55 games. |
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| Jun-28-06 |
| RookFile: Oh sure. I was taught some chess by Harry Lyman, who played a match with Adams.... in every game, Adams had white, and some kind of crazy Vienna game was played..... really interesting match...... gonzo lines like 1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Bc4 Nxe4 4. Qh5 .... I believe today, this is called the "Frankenstein-Dracula variation".... lol |
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| Jun-28-06 |
| RookFile: Wow! I was able to find one of the games! This is fun chess: W Adams vs H Lyman, 1946 |
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| Jun-28-06 |
| mack: Oh goody, one of my messages seems to have disappeared as well. As far as I'm aware, none of the stuff which has been deleted today has been obscene, racist, sexist or profane; they've not been trying to sell anything; no personal attacks on members of this site have been made; and unless it's illegal to discuss homosexuality in the US, we've not violated guideline 4), either. |
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Jun-28-06
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| IMlday: <mack> Maybe the category 'sexist' is interpreted differently in the U.S., England and Canada?
Here in Toronto, introducing the topic of someone's sexual orientation into a discussion of chess theory, would be considered at least irrelevent if not 'sexist'. Maybe for someone 'out' like Alan Turing it is an integral part of the history; but otherwise, like W. Adams it is just speculative gossip of little value~nowadays nobody cares.
<RookFile> Ironically the final word on 'Frankenstein-Dracula' may be the tame endgame in Suttles vs Tarjan, 1974
where two very creative players manage to inject struggle into a position where many would simply agree to a draw. |
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| Jun-28-06 |
| mack: <IMlday> Maybe you're right. It's just that this site deservedly has a reputation for wide-ranging conversation, and things like this probably should be brought up, if not explored extensively. I'm not the only person to feel that some of the mods have been a bit over the top with their censorship recently. |
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Jun-28-06
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| IMlday: <mack> If you want to discuss the topic, it probably wouldn't get censored in the cafe. But Vienna theory is fairly hot issue of importance. 1.e4 e5 2. c3 might well be the 'best' move. Long after W. Adams era, Duncan Suttles agreed in the 1960's. Michael Adams and Vishy Anand tried to surprise each other with its tricks in a mid-90's PCA match; oviously an easy line to under-estimate for the unprepared. I only had 1.e4 e5 2.c3 f6 a few times in praxis; usually with 3.g3, but twice successfully with 3.f4 and once in the long-line Frankenstein-Dracula when I was young.
Statistically I have a dynamite score with the Vienna. |
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| Jun-29-06 |
| Poisonpawns: The "final" word on the Frankenstein-Dracula variation
O Ekebjaerg vs G Timmerman, 1991
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Jun-29-06
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| Caissanist: <mack> I can't say as I blame the chessgames admins. After cleaning up after the A.J. Goldsby flame wars (in which this topic figured prominently), it's quite understandable that they would want to limit future outbreaks. Though I happen to think that the topic is well worth discussing, <IMlday> is right--once discussion on this gets started, everything else gets wiped out, and I honestly would like to learn more about the Vienna. Stuff like this is one of the reasons they created the personal message board feature--should you decide to open up your own board and discuss this topic there, then the admins won't touch it. For that matter, if anyone cares to post something worthwhile about it on my own (largely unused) board then I wouldn't mind. |
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| Jul-02-06 |
| WMD: <Oh goody, one of my messages seems to have disappeared as well. As far as I'm aware, none of the stuff which has been deleted today has been obscene, racist, sexist or profane; they've not been trying to sell anything; no personal attacks on members of this site have been made; and unless it's illegal to discuss homosexuality in the US, we've not violated guideline 4), either.> I am hated for loving
I am hated for loving
Anonymous call, a poison pen
A brick in the small of the back again
I still don't belong
To anyone - I am mine
And I am hated for loving
I am haunted for wanting
Anonymous call, a poison pen
A brick in the ... ah ...
A brick in the small of the back again
I still don't belong
To anyone - I am mine
I am falling
With no-one to catch me
I am falling
And there's still
No-one to catch me
Ah ..
Anonymous call, a poison pen
A brick in the ... ah ...
A brick in the small of the back again
I just don't belong
To anywhere
I just don't belong
Mmm ...
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| Jul-02-06 |
| RookFile: Well, you managed to include the word "I" ten times in the above poem. Silly me - I came here to read about Weaver Adams, or his book "White to Play and Win", or the latest developments in the Frankenstein - Dracula variation. |
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| Jul-02-06 |
| WMD: Silly you. |
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Nov-30-06
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| Resignation Trap: In the late 1940's, Adams ran some ads in Chess Review, promoting his book, <Simple Chess> in his own unique manner: _____________________________________
SIMPLE CHESS
THE GAME OF CHESS SOLVED!!!
11 pages of closely typed analysis
showing more than one hundred win-
ning variations for White against all
standard Black defenses. Also win-
ning lines for Black against innacurate
opening play by White and a two page
summary of the Adams Chess System.
<Do not expect your friend who owns a
copy of this book to tell you about it. He
won't, but he'll play it against you!>
---
WEAVER W. ADAMS
U. S. Open Chess Champion
Dedham, Mass.
Please send me a copy of your
analysis "Simple Chess." After five
days free examination I will send you
$ 1.00 or return the book at your ex-
pense.
Name____________
Address_________
City____________ State __________
______________________________________ |
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Dec-22-06
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| Phony Benoni: An autobiographical essay by Adams, from 1949: http://boylston-chess-club.blogspot... |
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| Jul-01-07 |
| CaptainEvans: You've got to admire this chap for his undiminished belief in the invinciblity of the Vienna Opening - in spite of his results with it. |
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| Apr-28-09 |
| DarthStapler: I always get this guy confused with the guy who played that crazy back rank queen sacrifice game against Torre |
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| Apr-28-09 |
| Raisin Death Ray: The Notorious WWA! |
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| Apr-28-09 |
| WhiteRook48: <DarthStapler> do you mean Carlos Torre Adams? |
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Apr-28-09
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| MaxxLange: <CaptainEvans> I absolutely do admire him - I get the idea he was a little crazy, but in a good way |
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| Apr-29-09 |
| DarthStapler: E Z Adams vs Carlos Torre, 1920 |
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