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|Dec-04-18|| ||Caissanist: The <Offramp> quote is from a report which Sam Sloan apparently sent to him regarding FIDE meetings at the time of the last Olympiad: Chess Olympiad (2018) .|
|Dec-04-18|| ||Caissanist: I have a copy of <Title Chess> Burt Hochberg's book of the 1972 US Chess Championship. Even though Lombardy only tied for sixth in that tournament, to me he seems to have played the best chess of that tournament, with his relatively poor result seemingly due to his temperamental nature and the demands of his work. I wonder if that kind of thing was a pattern during his career.|
|Dec-04-18|| ||HeMateMe: why would Fischer seek out an arrogant fellow like Lombardy? I know someone who saw Lombardy at a tournament in the 70s, said that he was just an embarrassing loudmouth, agitated a lot of people in the event. Drama queen.|
Why wouldn't Fischer have sought out a quieter person with perhaps more skill than Bill, such as Robert Byrne or Pal Benko?
|Dec-04-18|| ||MissScarlett: <an embarrassing loudmouth, agitated a lot of people>|
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|Dec-04-18|| ||HeMateMe: <MissScarlett: <an embarrassing loudmouth, agitated a lot of people>>|
and, you're still a rude drama biitch.
|Dec-04-18|| ||Marmot PFL: Lombardy was capable and Fischer trusted him at least to some extent. Byrne was a reporter (probably not trusted), but Fischer also worked with Kavalek.|
|Dec-04-18|| ||Caissanist: Bobby was famously stingy with his seconds--Larry Evans was his second during the candidates matches and according to Evans he was never paid at all for that. Evans was willing to continue with the same arrangement for the world championship but Bobby demanded that he not write about the match, even after the fact, so Evans walked: http://archive.is/20130102070650/ww....|
|Dec-04-18|| ||HeMateMe: no question, fischer was a cheapskate. Byrne got further in the world championships than Lombardy ever did. I think Byrne got to the Candidates semi finals matches one year, where he then lost to Spassky. That may have been 1974.|
Evans must have made some money completely ghost writing <Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess> and writing parts of M60MG.
|Dec-04-18|| ||john barleycorn: Evans? read the interview again. Evans suffered so much of not having received proper acknowledgements either from Fischer or the world outside. If, at all, he deserved them so much as he thought he would. But Evans knew how to handle the press (or Mr Parr). That Larry Evans is on "Parr" with Jeremy Schapp and other "journalists".|
|Dec-04-18|| ||Caissanist: The 1972 US Championship was actually where Byrne pushed ahead of Lombardy for good; he tied for first and eventually qualified for the interzonal, while Lombardy of course fell short. If you play over their best games from that event though, Lombardy's best seem to be more impressive than Byrne's (to me, anyway). Of course this is a very old story in top-level chess, the great talent who is somehow never able to fully translate his talent into results, while the less profound but more disciplined and practical guy forges ahead.|
|Dec-04-18|| ||Caissanist: <Bobby Fischer Teadches Chess> was written by Stuart Margulies and Donn Mosenfelder, so far as I know Evans had nothing to do with it. Evans of course did much better financially by writing about Bobby afterward than if he had agreed to Bobby's terms. Lombardy, on the other hard, seems to have honored Bobby's demand that Bill write nothing about him, and we all know how that turned out for him.|
|Dec-04-18|| ||HeMateMe: Lombardy grumbled to me once that he [Lombardy] had frequently brought food to the home of invalid Jack Collins, the chess teacher, and cleaned up the place, whereas Fischer "did absolutely nothing for Collins." |
Collins' home was a place that both Fischer and Lombardy frequented as kids or teens.
It surprised me not at all that Fischer did nothing for someone who had helped him. That's how Bobby Fischer lived his life.
|Dec-04-18|| ||Riverbeast: Happy Birthday and Rest In Power, Bill...I'm sure you're enjoying your journey|
<It surprised me not at all that Fischer did nothing for someone who had helped him. That's how Bobby Fischer lived his life.>
I think you people should really cut out the slander, and stop believing everything you're told.
I recommend an article written in Chess.com entitled "Serendipity. An Unforeseen Friendship" written by a female Swedish chess player.
She tells of a chance meeting with Lombardy during the last days of his life, in San Francisco at the Mechanics Chess Club. She and Lombardy saw each other several times, struck up a friendship, and had some candid taks.
Anyway one of the less interesting stories in the article, but more relevant here, is that Fischer gave Lombardy $5000 after he moved to Iceland
If you want to get outraged, consider that the makers of the well budgeted movie 'Pawn Sacrifice' did not pay Bill a dime, even though they used his name and persona. And Bill was broke at the time.
|Dec-04-18|| ||HeMateMe: <stop believing everything you're told.>|
I'll just purge the 87 or so eye witness accounts and testimonies on record of Fischer being a low life person, from those who encountered him in life, then.
Great person, poor character. Selfish, disloyal, insulting.
just <one> example: When Fischer was a teen with no father figure at home sports writer/TV sports personality Dick Schaap would take Bob to Knicks games, now and then. Just what a kid needs, get away from the chessboard now and then, do some regular 'guy' stuff, the kind of things that aid in promoting emotional stability.
Later, Fischer called Jeremy Schaap, the writer's son [also a reporter], "a garden variety Jew snake."
|Dec-04-18|| ||Riverbeast: <HeHateMe> Dick Schaap also said Fischer "didn't have a sane bone in his body" in a public, printed article...But you left out that part of the story, didn't you?|
Of course you did. Because you're not here to tell the full story or the truth. You're not here to enlighten anybody, you're here to spout your slander and hate.
Some very complimentary things you have to say about my friend and former teacher Bill Lombardy also. On his page. After his death. On his Birthday.
You called Bill an arrogant, embarrassing, agitating loudmouth and drama queen. Coming from you, that's rich.
Have you ever met Bill by the way? If so, how well did you know him? Or are you talking out of your ace?
Is that why every thing you say stinks to high hell?
Close your filthy mouth before someone seals it shut, Snake. You're starting to p**s me off now
|Dec-04-18|| ||perfidious: First met Bill at the 1984 New York Open, as we were introduced by mutual friend Dr Ed Epp. Seemed a decent enough fellow, without the star syndrome I have seen in some 'name' players in chess and poker across the years.|
Our second encounter was across the board, two years later, at the New England Open. Tough game, in which I let slip right around the time check in an ending which offered at least equal chances. We analysed afterwards and had at least one other good conversation during that tourney. Never got to talk with Bill again.
|Dec-05-18|| ||HeMateMe: < Dick Schaap also said Fischer "didn't have a sane bone in his body" in a public, printed article...But you left out that part of the story, didn't you?>|
He said those things <after> Fischer had bad mouthed Schaap for questioning Fischer's behavior, spitting on the state department order, going on Philippines radio and cheering on the twin towers attack that killed 3,000 people.
In the very small world of Bobby Fischer NO ONE tells him he can't go to another country to make a living (Yugoslavia in this case). Bobby Fischer gets to make all the rules because he's so special. He died a lonely old man, mentally ill.
I have met Bill Lombardy, several times. It's easy when there were only two brick and mortar chess clubs left in Manhattan and they were both in his neighborhood. He seemed nice enough, but I've heard he's had problems with other people.
Look at that film that was shot of Lombardy screaming about the judge that ruled against him, declaring that he, Lombardy, had to pay the back rent on his 1br in Stuyvesant town, Manhattan east 20s. Just like Bobby Fischer, living in a fantasy world where you should be king if you're a good chess player.
|Dec-05-18|| ||Sally Simpson: ***
"If you want to get outraged, consider that the makers of the well budgeted movie 'Pawn Sacrifice' did not pay Bill a dime, even though they used his name and persona. And Bill was broke at the time."
Legally they are not obliged too but they let slip a great opportunity to have him on their side as a paid advisor, then a majority (...no all!) of the gaffs would have been avoided.
The annoying thing about that film regarding gaffs was the scene where Bobby shows Bill how he could have beaten Petrosian with plausible line.
Petrosian vs Lombardy, 1961
That bit is spot on, they could easily have had used some random more easily understood position in that scene to show a missed win. (actually comparing that chess scene with a lot of the others where they dumbed down the chess for the non-playing public, it is surprising they didn't.) So someone somewhere on the film set had some chess about them.
I enjoyed the film though some gaffs were toe curling and could have been so easily avoided especially with Bill or any reasonable chess player on hand all the time.
Of course for all we know they may have asked Bill and he knocked them back.
|Dec-27-18|| ||RookFile: You got me confused about the word gaff. I spent some time with the dictionary. Gaffe is a social blunder. But gaff means harsh criticism (or a piece of fishing equipment). I think there were certainly both gaffs and gaffes involved with the movie.|
|Dec-27-18|| ||ughaibu: In the UK, "gaff" normally refers to a person's abode.|
|Mar-14-19|| ||ketchuplover: Kudos to the upcoming U.S. Chess HOF inductee :)|
|Mar-14-19|| ||HeMateMe: I thought the scene on the beach was kind of weird.|
|Mar-14-19|| ||RookFile: Lombardy wanted this when he was alive. That's politics for you - let's wait until the guy is dead and then give it to him.|
|Mar-14-19|| ||MissScarlett: Give over. Morphy had to wait 102 years.|
|Mar-14-19|| ||Granny O Doul: Lombardy actually declined it while he was alive. One of his gripes was that he was to have been inducted only after Berliner and Palciauskas, the two correspondence champs, on the basis that world champs of all sorts (composition, et al.) were to be regarded coequally, and inducted before mere grandmasters. Bill did point to his world junior title, but since that's still just chess, it wasn't enough. Also, they wanted him to contribute memorabilia and I guess he felt he was to honor them more than they him. |
Still, if we are to take the Hall seriously, I agree Lombardy has to be in whether he likes it or not.
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