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|Dec-02-17|| ||Joshka: <Ron> Evans even wrote, "my hunch is Bobby was in on it up to his ears" without ever even seeing the book!! Did Evans ever write a review after he got a copy to review? Having suspicions is logical, but straight out condemning it like some folks on here is laughable. Isn't it logical that unless one has a copy to go over/read/study/ consult with experts, Masters, etc one should not give an opinion cause there is no authority. Oh well....|
|Dec-02-17|| ||ughaibu: <straight out condemning it like some folks on here is laughable>|
Nobody has done that. They have pointed out that neither Fischer nor anyone in his contemporaneous socio-sphere say that he had anything to do with the book, that the book has neither publisher nor ISBN, and that these two considerations in conjunction with the fame and character of the supposed author are sufficient argument for the falsity of authorship. Add to this the fact that the book appears to be primarily associated with Trice, an established liar, and there really doesn't seem to be any reason to take the book at all seriously.
Other than you, who does still take it seriously? Day? Sneaky?
|Dec-02-17|| ||john barleycorn: “My 61 Memorable Games” Exposed As Fraud"
|Dec-02-17|| ||perfidious: <Howard....Give me a few minutes, and I can post a totally fictitcious account of, say, how I met with Fischer himself back in August, 1992 to help him prepare for his match with Spassky. I don't need no computer or nothing to tell a tall tale like that....>|
C'mon, man, <Ah> was there too! This ain't no lie!
|Dec-02-17|| ||Magpye: <john barleycorn: “My 61 Memorable Games” Exposed As Fraud">|
|Dec-04-17|| ||schnarre: ...Ouch indeed!|
|Dec-04-17|| ||Keyser Soze: Poor Joshka...he was so excited with this book.|
|Dec-04-17|| ||ughaibu: You think that Joshka is going to accept that it's a fake!?!?|
|Dec-04-17|| ||saffuna: Why didn't Brady discuss "61" in his book on Fischer? I would have thought that would have put an end to any claim that Fischer wrote it.|
|Dec-04-17|| ||Magpye: <saffuna> I wondered about that myself.|
|Dec-06-17|| ||Howard: Good point, guys ! Perhaps someone should ask Frank Brady for his opinion on "Fischer's" book.|
|Dec-08-17|| ||ughaibu: Still no comment from Joshka, I see. (Both meanings of "I see" intended.)|
|Dec-09-17|| ||Granny O Doul: I'd say that it isn't worth discussing, except that that'd be autocontradictory.|
|Dec-11-17|| ||RookFile: Simply put, if Fischer wrote a book, it wasn't in his nature to keep it a secret.|
|Jan-04-18|| ||fedalio: Does anyone know what happened to the copy of My 60 Memorable Games that Lombardy referred to having Fischer autograph for him as soon as he became World Champion? This is referred to in Lombardy’s 1974 Sports Illustrated article on the match. It is not listed in David Delucia’s Fischer publications. |
<Paul Albert> anyone?
|Jan-04-18|| ||WorstPlayerEver: Do you guys mean Ed Trice, the super computer designer, published artificial intelligence researcher? Wrote strong chess and checkers programs. Now an author.|
Wait.. Ed Trice has 0 jobs at linkedin? Don't say it's true!
|Jan-06-18|| ||Ron: Concerning the question why Frank Brady didn't discuss the 61 games book, it could be perhaps that Frank Brady is one of those intellectuals who dismiss internet discourse. As an example of such an attitude: years ago CBS put forth with an alleged memo about George W. Bush's National Guard service. Criticism of CBS over this came from bloggers. A CBS executive said, " It's an important moment, you couldn't have a starker contrast between the multiple layers of checks and balances, and a guy sitting in his living room in his pajamas, writing what he thinks."|
Granted, there is a lot of idiocy on the internet (just look at the Fischer page here), but the attitude shown above is a kind of Ad hominem.
Its a pity that Frank Brady didn't investigate the 61 games issue. Frank Brady is a journalist
Brady, for example, could have interviewed Icelanders who knew Fischer, or could have contacted Icelandic papers, und so witer.
|Jan-06-18|| ||Ron: <WorstPlayerEver> He is a confidence trickster. See for example this consumer complaint:
This is a US website and I'm a US citizen; I'm protected by the First Amendment.
|Jan-06-18|| ||WorstPlayerEver: <Ron>
Look what I found:
Hello Dr. Hyatt,
My name is Ed Trice. I am in the process of writing a program to play the game
of Gothic Chess, which is played on an 80-square board not too dissimilar from
the one proposed by Jose Capablanca around 1925.
Your rotated bitboards and static exchange evaluation routines in Crafty would speed things up tremendously, and I am wondering to what extend you might be opposed to the adoption of this code for the purposing of creating something so similar, yet vastly different?
I know you have a "non-commercial use" clause in your crafty code, but it is my
hope that 80 square chess with an Archbishop (knight + bishop) and Chancellor (knight + rook) would make such a creation as I am proposing outside of the domain of your intended restrictions.
Creating the rotated bitboards for this project will be very difficult, but as
you have done so much excellent work this would give me a tremendous head start.
Please let me know your thoughts.
--Ed Trice (GothicChess.org)
Subject: Re: For Dr. Robert Hyatt
Author: Russell Reagan
Date: 00:07:44 12/31/03
On December 30, 2003 at 19:25:45, Ed Trice wrote:
>Your rotated bitboards and static exchange evaluation routines in Crafty would
>speed things up tremendously...
Hello again Ed!
I thought your program was already blazingly fast. What happened to your claims that your 80-bit bitboard program was faster than any array based program on 32-bit hardware?
If I recall correctly, your program generates 140 million moves per second on your Pentium III 2 GHz (nice overclocking job BTW). It seems like Dr. Hyatt should be the one asking you for tips, since your program apparently blows his out of the water (along with every other PC chess program everwritten). Do tell us your secrets Ed!
|Jan-06-18|| ||WorstPlayerEver: http://www.stmintz.com/ccc/index.ph...|
|Jan-20-18|| ||Ron: There was recent discussion here about the book _My Sixty-One Memorable Games_.|
An Icelander and close friend of Bobby Fischer in his dying days says that the book is bogus:
I see no reason to doubt that Icelander's credibility.
So can we agree for now that _My 61 Memorable Games_ was not created by Fischer?
|Jan-21-18|| ||ughaibu: <can we agree for now that _My 61 Memorable Games_ was not created by Fischer?>|
I think pretty much everybody has been agreed about that for years.
|Jan-21-18|| ||MissScarlett: I agree that Fischer is very unlikely to have been the main motivating force behind the book. Whether he may have had some creative input remains to be determined. I suspect only a close study of the text will further the matter.|
|Jan-21-18|| ||john barleycorn: <MissScarlett: ... I suspect only a close study of the text will further the matter.>|
Ask <Joshka>, the #1 Fischer expert. He seemingly has done a thorough study without even possessing a copy of the book.
|Jan-21-18|| ||MissScarlett: Well, I thought he had a copy, but as a lack of perspicacity and application usually go hand-in-hand, seeking his help would be akin to asking a monkey to examine a watch.|
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