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|Dec-21-11|| ||FSR: Sokolsky vs Keres, 1950 and Sokolsky vs Keres, 1950 are duplicates.|
|Dec-21-11|| ||Stonehenge: Please guys, use the correction slips :)|
|Dec-21-11|| ||whiteshark: <Stonehenge: Please guys, use the correction slips :)>|
Like here, Lehmann, waiting already for 5 (five!) years? Isn't it really disrespectful against the hundreds of chessgames members that use the correction tool for years and animated by the best intentions?
|Dec-21-11|| ||Stonehenge: <"1. As you probably know, there's currently a long backlog of corrections. From now on, new corrections will get priority, while I also chip away at the older ones. If you submit a new slip on something that isn't fixed yet, that will bump it up to the top and it will get fixed faster".>|
|Dec-21-11|| ||FSR: I submitted a correction slip for Sokolsky-Keres. We'll see if it does any good.|
|Dec-23-11|| ||Domdaniel: <CG Librarian>
Here's an oddity.
L B Hoyos-Millan vs G Garcia, 1986
H Millan vs G Garcia Gonzales, 1986 seem to be the same game, with different versions of both players' names and a few extra moves in one case. Although both are listed as being 18 moves in a game list.
You'll see the gids are sequential, so they must have come from the same source - and been sufficiently different to sneak past your filters.
Aesthetically, the one ending with ...Re8+ is prettier, but I guess the extra moves were played.
Maybe somebody knows more.
|Dec-24-11|| ||Phony Benoni: <Domdaniel> This is too interesting a problem.|
Originally, there may have been four variations in the database:
gid=1077711, L B Hoyos-Millan vs G Garcia, 1986
gid=1077712, H Millan vs G Garcia Gonzales, 1986
No longer in database; may be the alternate score given in 1077711
Millan vs L Garcia Caballero, 1986
It seems clear that White was Luis Bernardo Hoyos-Millan, especially since neither Millan nor H Millan have any other games in the database. We have three choices for Black, but I believe Gildardo Garcia is the most likely. This appears to have been a local Colombian event, as none of these players have any other games from it in the database. Both Hoyos-Millan and Giberto Garcia are from Colombia, while Guillermo Garcia Gonzales was from Cuba and L Garcia Caballero is from Spain.
On that basis, 1077711 appears to have the most accurate data. However, there is also the matter of transpositions within the first six moves.
Of these, 1077711 and 1077714 are identical except that the latter cuts off a few moves earlier. 1077712 and the hypothetical 1077713 present transpositions in the first six moves:
1077711: 1.e4 e5 2.f4 d5 3.exd5 c6 4.Nc3 exf4 5.Nf3 Bd6 6.d4 Ne7
1077712: 1.e4 e5 2.f4 d5 3.exd5 exf4 4.Nf3 c6 5.d4 Bd6 6.Nc3 Ne7
1077713?: 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 d5 4.exd5 Bd6 5.Nc3 Ne7 6.d4 c6
The last of these, given as the alternate game score to #1077711, is by far the least used order of moves. The other two seem perfectly normal, and it's hard to choose between them.
Overall, I would suggest L B Hoyos-Millan vs G Garcia, 1986 as the most likely candidate to be accurate, and would make the other two games alternate scores under it. But that's just an opinion, given in the absence of any other information about the game or the event.
|Jan-17-12|| ||Domdaniel: <Librarian> I haven't used the correction slip system here, due to the number of affected games.|
These six wins by Keres in the Kangaroo Defence turn out to be the same two games, each repeated three times:
F Kibbermann vs Keres, 1936
L Laurine vs Keres, 1936
Kilberman vs Keres, 1936
L Laurine vs Keres, 1936
F Kibbermann vs Keres, 1937
L Laurine vs Keres, 1937
There are various discrepancies – the names Kilberman and Kibberman, the years 1936 and 1937, and a small transposition of the final moves in one case: but what we essentially have is a 24-mover vs Laurine and a 32-mover vs Kibbermann.
Feliks Kibbermann was joint Estonian champion in 1941, with 17 games in the database. ‘Kilberman’ is a data ghost who can be safely exorcized.
I don't know which version of the event (training game, team tournament, etc) is correct, but 1936 seems like a safe bet for both games.
Incidentally, this is one of those cases where what initially looks like an incredible 100% score for Black (in Opening Explorer) turns out to be not so incredible.
|Jan-17-12|| ||heuristic: games 1-7 of taylor (Taylor)
are "john odin howard taylor", 1836-1890.
under this name and I.O.Howard Taylor; he authored some number of books. he was president of the norwich chess club
|Jan-19-12|| ||dakgootje: seems like the whole SportAccord Mind Games (Rapid) (2011) -section is mis-attributed as 'classical' games. Whereas the 'rapid' in the title appears to be a hint they are not classical games.|
|Feb-04-12|| ||CG Librarian: I'm really sorry for not communicating better. I am doing and will continue to do corrections, and I'll catch up and be more involved here in my forum. I really want this system to work well and for you to know what's going on behind the scenes, so I'm sorry. I'll post again soon to address anything posted here that I have input on.|
One question I saw recently was about a player getting assigned an erroneous highest rating, higher than his/her actual one. That happened due to a bug where rarely a player would get assigned the rating of his/her opponent in a game. <chessgames.com>/Daniel identified and fixed the bug several months ago, but there may still be player records that have the erroneous rating. Just submit a slip if you see one. For completeness, there's one other (obvious) situation where something similar happens. That's when there are two (or more) players in FIDE with identical names, like multiple players named Alexander Ivanov. Since we update ratings from FIDE automatically each time they come out, there are mixups. We don't have a good way to deal with this yet.
|Feb-04-12|| ||crawfb5: <CG librarian> Welcome "back." In terms of "behind the scenes," you might consider periodic updates on the size of the correction slip backlog. Back in mid-May, the official report was <The backlog for corrections at the time of this writing stands at exactly 3,579 correction slips.> Misperception on the size of the backlog can contribute to the impatience sometimes shown over delays in correction. Alternatively, an occasional announcement that "in the past month we have processed <x> correction slips" would also help assure members progress is being made.|
I suppose there's no one strategy in attacking the backlog that will keep everyone happy; "first in, first corrected" may involve a fair number of corrections submitted by now-inactive members, and "last in, first corrected" can annoy those with corrections in the pipeline for some time.
|Feb-04-12|| ||Stonehenge: <I suppose there's no one strategy in attacking the backlog that will keep everyone happy>|
Perhaps it is best to first do the correction slips that have been submitted more than once. By different users that is :)
|Feb-04-12|| ||crawfb5: I am directing this to the membership rather than the librarian, but this seemed a good forum for my history question.|
I have been doing game collections on early US championships. There are three early (1938, 1942, and 1944) tournaments in particular where there are a substantial number of missing games:
Game Collection: 1938 US Championship
Game Collection: 1942 US Championship
Game Collection: 1944 US championship
<Chess Life> did not begin publication until 1946. I have consulted <Chess Review> for the appropriate years as well as my usual online database sources. I have also done some digging through New York newspapers of the day without much luck.
I do not have easy access to <American Chess Bulletin> for those years. I wonder if anyone who does or has another good source or sources would be willing to check for missing games from these tournaments.
As always, any help is appreciated.
|Feb-17-12|| ||FSR: This collection of mine should be of great interest to you: Game Collection: Games with notation errors. I submitted correction slips on some of them in the past (before your arrival on the scene), but it seemed that my corrections were never acted on or acknowledged, so I gave up. All of the errors are explained in my caption and/or in the comments to the game.|
|Feb-22-12|| ||Phony Benoni: The Rice Memorial Masters' Tournament, usually known as <New York 1916>, was played mostly at clubs and hotels in New York City. However, one round was played at Yale University in New Haven, Connecticut. (This round included the famous game Capablanca vs A Schroeder, 1916, which might be on the short list for Immortal Games Played in Connecticut). |
Recently, I was submitting games from the tournament (would you believe we were missing some of Capablanca's?), and this round put me in a quandary. Should I go for strict accurarcy and use "New Haven" as the place when all the other rounds were played in New York? Or should I go for consistency and collocation by using "New York", making sure all the games stayed together?
I eventually used "New York", but remain curious about other opinions.
|Feb-22-12|| ||WannaBe: Okay, okay, enough about Jeremy Lin and New York and Rice, alright?!?!|
Just put down Madison Square Garden in the scoresheet/PGN. Sheeeeeeeesh...
|Apr-10-12|| ||Sastre: Vasif Durarbeyli needs to be merged with Vasif Durarbayli. According to http://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?..., the correct spelling is Durarbayli.|
|Apr-22-12|| ||Karpova: This is Aage Olsen: A Olsen|
This game was played at the same Olympiad as his other two games - A Olsen vs F Apsenieks, 1930 - but saved under the file of another Aage Olsen (born in 1964).
|May-18-12|| ||twinlark: His <CGL>!
Rather than pepper you with a series of correction slips, I'll consolidate them all into one post dealing with the players listed under Geus.
There are four games to be identified as being played by "Geus".
Firstly, in both Geus vs Euwe, 1925 and Euwe vs Geus, 1925, the "Geus" in question was Klaas Geus. Strong circumstantial support for this comes from a couple of sources. Long time member, User: thomastonk, has the records to show that the Geus in question was "K. Geus", who played in a double round robin tournament with, amongst others, Max Euwe. If you look at the player page of Klaas, you'll see he's in the right era, and played many of his games in Scheveningen, which is where the games against Euwe were played. The following link nails down one of these games as being played by Klaas: http://chesstempo.com/gamedb/game/1..., which makes it a close to a certainty that the other game was also by Klaas.
Second, in the Geus vs Hort, 1964 game, the "Geus" in question is undoubtedly William J Geus. If you check his player page, you will see he's credited with one game against Averbakh in the 1960 Australian Championship. Now go to http://www.365chess.com/players/Wil..., and you'll see both the Averbakh game and the Hort game attributed to William J Geus, with all details about the games, times and venues as fully correlating.
Third, the "Geus" in the infamous miniature Ale vs Geus, 1983 is Jan Geus, a Dutch correspondence player. the details are here: http://chesstempo.com/gamedb/game/1.... Jan Geus is listed in the ICCF also: http://dfcc.narod.ru/FCCU/RatingLis...
Finally, <thomastonk> has provided some more details of the two games between Klaas Geus and Max Euwe in 1925, details of which are missing from the scoresheets on the game pages. They were played in the "S.S.S. Cup", aka the "Scheveningsche Schaaksocieteit Cup", and were played in Amsterdam in December 1925, with the Geus vs Euwe, 1925 game being played on 12 December 1925.
|May-19-12|| ||twinlark: I meant to say, Hi not His...(just noticed)|
|May-20-12|| ||Phony Benoni: My Fellow Librarian may enjoy the cartoon on this page:|
|May-22-12|| ||qqdos: May I refer you to this game D Ostapenko vs P Yartsev, 1969 which is wrongly credited, as indicated in the various posts on that site and on the Ostapenko and Yartsev sites respectively. It was a correspondence game and White was Alexander Ostapenko senior. Many thanks.|
|May-27-12|| ||Karpova: These three games were from a consultation tournament but after submission, the names got mixed up a bit:|
Akiba Rubinstein and Edgar Colle versus Salo Landau and Savielly Tartakower
Colle vs Savielly Landau Salo /Tartakower, 1932
Akiba Rubinstein and Salo Landau versus Edgar Colle and Savielly Tartakower
Salo Rubinstein Akiba / Landau vs Colle, 1932
Akiba Rubinstein and Savielly Tartakower versus Edgar Colle and Salo Landau
Tartakower vs Salo Colle Edgar / Landau, 1932
|May-27-12|| ||Karpova: I will post the mistakes and the discussion of duplicate games in connection with the Rubinstein pgn file in here so that they can be discussed. This makes more sense to me than clogging up the respective game pages or the <chessgames.com> forum with it. I hope that's ok.|
White: Salomon Langleben and Georg Salwe
Black: Akiba Rubinstein and J Goldfarb
Salwe vs Rubinstein, 1903
Black: Miguel Najdorf, Izaak Towbin and Samuel Elper
Type: Exhibition game
Rubinstein vs Najdorf / Tovbin, 1931
Previous version: Rubinstein vs Bogoljubov, 1921
2.c4 3.Nc3 4.e3 5.Nf3
Donaldson & Minev version: Rubinstein vs Bogoljubov, 1921
2.Nf3 3.c4 4.e3 5.Nc3
D&M (as I will call them from now on) also mention ECO so if someone does have the source this could be settled.
Previous: Rubinstein vs A Selezniev, 1922
D&M: Rubinstein vs A Selezniev, 1921
Game scores are identical but D&M version has the correct year (Triberg took place in 1921, not 1922).
More of it will follow tomorrow. It won't be easy to find all the duplicates.
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