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|May-04-12|| ||Domdaniel: <frogbt> -- < your relationship to genitals and microscopes>|
Well, erm, word association football is the name of the game ... and sometimes I can't stop myself until I'm in the back of the net.
Ball-bearing Blues, as sung in Chelsea. Not the Hotel.
Have you heard the old line -- allegedly from some schoolkid's essay -- saying "Circumcision is that which separates the Jews from the Genitals" ... ?
|May-04-12|| ||cohare: Let's increase your simultaneous conversations to 5! Eugene died peacefully 2 yrs ago at 92. His memoirs (Roast Beef on Sunday)are available on ZULU.com - actually a good read - from WW2 Derry, through the "troubles", with lots of chess (Fischer and Hecht) in between. (If you have the scores of your games with him I would welcome them) As for looking like him - not as rotund, but certainly afollicular. The only downside to experience is that it usually comes with the passage of time!
Still.... a few good years (maybe not decades!) left.
Might be in Ireland (North) in August - any chess on then!?
|May-05-12|| ||achieve: <Have you heard the old line -- allegedly from some schoolkid's essay -- saying "Circumcision is that which separates the Jews from the Genitals" ... ?> ... depending whether
the procedure is performed "Yently", as I was reminded of an old (mid 90s) "Artwork" CD cover I once bought solely as it suggestively showed [her] <Janetalia>, - well, mostly Jan's mammalia, actually - later subtly re-enacted during a Super Bowl Half-time act with "Just-in" Timberlake partaking in a dance ritual resulting in an incident aka the <nipple slip>. Rest assured, on that cover art two hands were firmly in place to not even allow a "nimble nipply peek."|
As for <stumm> - in Dutch we call a deaf-mute, "doofstom", and stom actually means someone is pretty dumb, retarded even, so not a popular term anymore to describe the "disability" - same in German I read with "Taubstummheit."
Back to the cover art.... Good grief some of the lyrics there is representative of the wave of barely hidden pornography in 90s Pop music.
|May-05-12|| ||Memethecat: I saw a great book with oversize depictions of bedbugs & other wee sleekit cow'rin tim'rous beastie's that where drawn by Hooke, I think. Sci-fi has yet to conjure any alien thing half as interesting as those pictures. |
I knew the Vatican was a country with passports & a small Swiss(multi purpose)army, but your right, I'd never considered currency. If they have there own Euros why aint they on the EU list?, what picture is on the coin/note, Jesus's foreskin? If it is, its a forgery, I've got the real one, selling it on ebay next xmas, I'd get more for it if it wer signed, but I'd have to wait till the 2nd coming & I need the money before that.
I dont mind the idea of the Vatican, as long as they stop giving advice & are forced to use their unequalled wealth to feed & help the poor & starving multitudes, "ouch" you can visualize the 'holy see' & his tight arsed cardinals grimacing as 'their' money is wasted on hungry people.
A man shouldn't take a vow of celibacy until he gets to at least 40, it might reduce the number of not so<poor buggger>ers in the clergy. I know a guy that was raped regularly by the priest in a catholic kids home, it @#$%ed up his whole life, their deeds are unforgivable. Colleagues, superiors & ultimately the popes refusal to help route them out should also be considered a crime & punishable, it would be great to see the pope in handcuffs stood in the dock "honest guv, it weren't me, I was tellin AIDS sufferers not t use condoms that night". Its good to hear Ireland is speaking out against this anachronistic institutions hypocrisies.
Strange that it takes a bunch of hacked answer machines before the realisation sinks in, that maybe its not such a good idea to have a media mogul choose the country's government term after term. I constantly hear about how great it is that we have a free press(bollocks) so what are they doing with this great freedom? Murdocks publications are vacuous at best, but they still seem to form public opinion. The Mail is the worst one, openly fascist & guilty of spreading hate & fear & prejudice. Anyway its Saturnday & I've got lots of happy reaping on, so not gonna think about pulp fiction. There's no going back once you've seen Sweden & Finland naked, put Norway back on & it looks like an accessory bought from a shop called xxxsex.com
|May-05-12|| ||Domdaniel: <cohare> Sorry to hear about Eugene - but 92 is a fine age, and it seems like he was playing chess well into his 80s.|
You may remember another old gent named Maurice Coveney -- used to finish a bit behind Eugene in 1960s championships. I asked him recently if he knew whether your uncle was alive, and he replied "Lord, no, if Eugene was alive he'd be a hundred years old!". Maurice himself is not just alive but still *travels* to chess tournaments -- he was at the Dublin event at Easter. Has trouble with words because of a stroke, but still playing solidly at a 1500-ish level.
I have the score of one game with Eugene ... where he had a stone-cold win but went wrong in a chaotic time scramble, and I wound up winning. This was in the mid-80s -- we both played in two six-round swisses a week apart, on the opening and closing weekends of the Irish championship, and we played against one another in each, scoring a win apiece. My loss to him was my only loss in those twelve games ... I'll dig out the score of the one I have.
|May-05-12|| ||Domdaniel: <Niels> -- < barely hidden pornography >
I gather they've now given up even the pretence of hiding it. Though I try, and usually succeed, not to see anything like that -- the secondary effects are visible everywhere.|
|May-05-12|| ||achieve: <Dom> One could suppose discussing Janetalia in your song lyrics must have had a liberating effect on the budding top female artist following Madonna, especially as she was raised a Jehovah's Witness.|
Loved it back then, though. Naughtyyyyy! - though it doesn't seem even remotely of influence now 15+ years later. But at the time it was. That's the exponential curve for ya.
But I bought that album for one ballad, too, still enjoy its tenderness, (and her (un)cover art, and that's it. Janet really had a lovely diction and timing on that, as did her brother pop king in some of his compositions. Great genes as the say.
|May-05-12|| ||Domdaniel: <Meme> -- < I saw a great book with oversize depictions of bedbugs & other wee sleekit cow'rin tim'rous beastie's that where drawn by Hooke, I think. Sci-fi has yet to conjure any alien thing half as interesting as those pictures. >|
Abso-bloody-lutely. *Micrographia*, I think it was called. Hooke was one of the few people to combine being a great artist with being a great scientist. I've seen some of Leonardo da Vinci's notebooks, and I don't think he *saw* quite so clearly nor captured what he saw so precisely. And Hooke was an Architect, too - he was Wren's assistant rebuilding London after the Great Fire in 1666.
He was also short -- well under five feet -- and made himself unpopular by surliness and ill temper. Possibly not helped by drinking mercury potions for syphilis. According to one story, Newton's line about seeing further by standing on the shoulder of giants - which has featured on UK coins -- was really a sly dig at Hooke, who was no giant. At least not height-wise.
A fictionalized version of Hooke is found in the novel Quicksilver by Neal Stephenson, and its successors in the Baroque Cycle -- featuring Hooke, Isaac Newton, Leibniz, William of Orange, Samuel Pepys, 'Hanging Judge' Jeffreys, Kings James II and George I of Britain, Peter the Great of Russia, Louis XIV of France, Handel, a young Ben Franklin, and sundry vagabonds, pirates, slaves, linguists, princelings, alchemists, counterfeiters, galley oarsmen, goldsmiths, duchesses, devil worshippers, samurai warriors, jesuits, filipino sailors, the Spanish inquisition, a siege in Ireland, a rebellion in England, a war or three in the Netherlands, a white horse, a depraved duke, a puritan brought up to welcome Jesus Christ to England, and a voyage round the world in search of King Solomon's Gold ...
Eh. I recommend it.
There's a bit where Newton says "I hated Hooke, but no man ever saw more clearly".
And a scene where Hooke performs an operation without anaesthetic on one of the main characters, 'cutting him for the stone' -- removing a kidney stone before death sets in. He says:
"I will not insult you by asking that you relax. You may cry out, no-one will hear. Do not plead, as I am utterly lacking in the quality of mercy. I am Robert Hooke, than whom no man was ever better suited to perform such work."
|May-05-12|| ||frogbert: <featuring Hooke, Isaac Newton, Leibniz, William of Orange, Samuel Pepys, 'Hanging Judge' Jeffreys, Kings James II and George I of Britain, Peter the Great of Russia, Louis XIV of France, Handel, a young Ben Franklin, ... >|
nearly sounds like some monthy python sketch ...
|May-05-12|| ||frogbert: and i wrote that even before i encountered <the Spanish inquisition> :o)|
|May-06-12|| ||Memethecat: Sounds like a cross between Flashman, Discworld & the collected works of Geoffrey Parker. I used to devour books, mostly crap, whatever I could trade or buy cheaply, & would feel a bit ill at ease if I didn't have 1 (preferably 2) in reserve. All change now chess & a laptop have taken over my life. I've been struggling to finish a book by Chuck Palahniuk for 2mths. I was really taken by an earlier novel of his calld Choke. A transvestite, a model, who has deliberately disfigured herself & her ex-boyfriend, who's secretly being fed oestrogen, roam the US gaining access to mansions under the pretence of prospective buyers, all so they can rob rich folks medicine cabinets. Self destructive characters from society's underclass aren't usually written about in a non-judgemental way, I loved it. |
I googled that linguist/ex-missionary guy, (Everett?) your reviewing. The Piranha people, with their 'straight head' language & low tolerance for the teachings of Jaysus, sound like an interesting lot, probably more in touch with reality than we'll ever be.
|May-06-12|| ||Memethecat: I wonder if Hooke's stature had owt to do with his microscope obsession? Just checked out some of those pictures, I'd forgotten how detailed they wer, fantastic. People must of been terrified when they found out what was sharing their beds. No wonder he was disliked.|
|May-06-12|| ||Domdaniel: <meme> -- < low tolerance for the teachings of Jaysus>|
Not so much low tolerance as total bafflement why anyone should tell such a story. Their language uses different kinds of verb depending on whether the event being described was personally observed by the speaker, inferred from evidence, or told to them by somebody who witnessed. They don't use numbers and have no interest in talking about the distant past.
So a story about "a man named Hiso" who walked on water and rose from the dead would be met with incredulity ... "Did you see this happen?" ... "Did you hear about this from somebody who saw it, and can they be trusted?"
Ehhh, well, not exactly, chaps.
One of the interesting things about Everett is that he first went to the Amazon as an xtian missionary, stopped believing in what he was doing, went off to study anthropology, and came back as a scientist.
|May-06-12|| ||Domdaniel: <rebranding as cultural vandalism>|
There's a little county in Scotland (I refuse to use the word 'wee' for Celtic smallness ... though still heard in certain vernaculars, it has mostly been hijacked by Americans and turned *twee* - which is different).
Anyhoo, the little county is Clackmannanshire, a dot on the map which is home to about 50,000 people. Towns and villages include Alloa, Dollar, Dollar Mine, Muckhart and Pitgober.
Now you think I'm making this up. Yes, Virginia, there *is* a Dollar Mine. They don't grow on trees, y'know.
Clackmannanshire has its own historic coat of arms, with the fine slogan "Look aboot ye" (or, in Latin, 'Circumspice').
A couple of years back some *genius* in local government or Scottish tourism decided to 'rebrand' Clackie. Out goes "Look Aboot Ye" ... and in comes the incredibly brave and original example of modern marketing-speak at its zenith, "More than you Imagine".
This isn't just bad. It's a desecration.
A related case is the Irish town of Dingle, whose residents were informed by the fanatic Gaelic-speaker in charge of the relevant ministry that they would have to change the name of the town to the Irish version 'Daingean'. Which nobody uses, not even the town's many Irish speakers. But all the roads, maps, signs etc would have to be changed ... tourists looking for Dingle would be told that no such place existed.
Last I heard, they were just ignoring the ministerial diktat. Good for them.
There's an old limerick which goes:
The things that occur on the shingle
Of the beaches around about Dingle
Should only be said
In the bed of the wed
For they'd tingle the single to mingle.
I've *tried* to write a version which rhymes <Daingean> with <bangin'> but it just isn't the same.
Look aboot ye.
A place with a slogan like that could make a perfect virtual HQ for Geurgle or a similar web giant.
Look aboot ye, Click on Clackie ...
|May-06-12|| ||Domdaniel: <meme> Ah, yes, the *True Foreskin*. I imagined a scenario once where two xtian sects each claimed to have the original, and went to war over the theological issue of its shape ... was it a ring or a strip of baby-mutilation evidence ...?|
I'm sure it's safe in your, eh, hands.
Those old churches had some remarkable relics. I've seen the head of a saint embalmed in yellow liquid -- a work of art, not unlike Serrano's notorious 'Piss Christ'.
But another church claimed to have the skull of Saint Peter, while a rival basilica topped that with the skull of St Peter *as a boy*.
Oh, where's ma heid?
Factor in enough splinters of wood from the 'true cross' to build a small navy ... and a feather from the wing of the Angel Gabriel ...
It's amazing what humans can be induced to believe in.
|May-06-12|| ||Shams: <But another church claimed to have the skull of Saint Peter, while a rival basilica topped that with the skull of St Peter *as a boy*.>|
Eco puts this same story in "The Name of the Rose" which is great fun of course, as all his books are.
|May-06-12|| ||Domdaniel: <Shams> -- <Eco puts this same story in "The Name of the Rose" which is great fun of course, as all his books are.>|
I'm not sure if this applies to 'The Aesthetics of Thomas Aquinas' -- I think I have a partly-read copy somewhere. But I did make it all the way through his 'Theory of Semiotics'.
And he bought me a whisky in a Dublin hotel once. A courteous, humane, erudite, vastly read and hugely intelligent man, is Umberto.
I read about the publication of 'The Name of the Rose' in a French literary magazine. I was already a fan of his non-fiction, but I assumed something so deeply obscure as a novel about medieval monks by an Italian academic would *never* be translated into English. So I wondered if I'd be able to manage a French translation, or should I go the whole hog and get Italian lessons?
For several years after the English version came out, I used to re-read it every Christmas day. My little bit of ritual, I suppose.
By coincidence, I've also interviewed the director of the film version, Annaud.
|May-06-12|| ||Shams: "Clarity, integrity, proportion." I also partly read that book, if you can believe it. I'm not well-read at all but I did study Joyce a bit at University which led me to Aquinas and Aristotle. |
Annaud did well with that movie, and also "The Lover".
|May-06-12|| ||Memethecat: "But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.|
"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat.
"We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat.
"or you wouldn't have come here."
|May-06-12|| ||Shams: As long as William Weaver is alive, nobody need learn Italian to read literature.|
|May-06-12|| ||Memethecat: <skull of St Peter *as a boy*> lol, I really did.|
When I was knocking around the Glastonbury area I picked up a bit of history about the Abbey. In 12blahdeblah they needed to earn a few quid to fix the roof after a fire, the usual scams: assorted bits of saints, anything to do with the crucifixion, healing waters, & even a tree planted by Joe of Arimathea weren't bringing in the big bucks. So an enterprising abbot hit on the idea of an "excavation" of the abbey grounds, they quickly found 2 bodies in an oak casket, & can you believe their luck, it was inscribed (in latin) 'Here lies the body of King Arthur & Guinevere in Avalon', what are the odds?. The tourists trade went through the 'roof', the coffers filled & it went on to be one of the richest in the country. You have to admire their ingenuity, old Henry certainly did. That little fib still brings the tourists a flockin.
I've always liked "Lang mae yer lumb reek" long may your chimney smoke.
|May-07-12|| ||Domdaniel: <meme> The Mail is certainly an appalling object under editor Paul Dacre, but it's not actually part of the Murdoch stable. Until 18 months ago, I was a regular freelance contributor to Rupert's Sunday Times - and even at that distance I was damaged by the experience. It feels good to be out of it.|
Newspapers seem to have clung onto a culture of abuse that just wouldn't be tolerated in any other so-called industry. Regular 'bollockings' - a whole inverted pyramid of bollockings, from proprietor to lesser minions and hacks, ie, me -- were only part of it.
Another *evil* newspaper is the Express, Daily and Sunday versions.
As John Cooper Clarke put it:
<This paper's ugly,
Full of pornography
The kind that's clean
You see all kinds of ugliness
And hideous excess
But you never see a nipple
In the Daily Express.>
|May-07-12|| ||Domdaniel: <Note> -- < "It feels good to be out of it."> is *not* a reference to other senses of the phrase 'to be out of it'.|
I meant, simply, that it feels good to have no connections with that organization. Not that being stoned in a particular out-of-it way was a good way to be (though it might).
And not in the sense used by Mephistopheles in Marlowe's 'Doctor Faustus', when Faust asks him why he isn't in Hell, and gets the reply:
<"Why, this is Hell. Nor am I out of it.">
|May-08-12|| ||Memethecat: I know the mail is not Murdochs, I mentioned it because it holds a special place, the turd among turds. I haven't bought a paper for 20yrs, call it principal, but I've occasionally glanced at other peoples copies, it reinforces my decision. |
I do buy the odd newspaper in other countries, culture acclimatization.
|May-08-12|| ||frogbert: i haven't got many principles, my principal principle being that too few is better than too many. to become principal would be nice, though. maybe.|
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