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|Feb-20-12|| ||Jim Bartle: The stats for the Denver-Oklahoma City game last night had a lot of interesting stuff:|
OKC had two guys with 40 points, and another guy with ELEVEN blocks, and still had to go to overtime to win.
Ibaka had a triple double, including those blocks. Had 0 assists, so no threat of a quadruple-double.
Denver lost despite having seven players in double figures, including four subs.
|Feb-20-12|| ||Phony Benoni: I was going to blame the thin air in Denver, until I noticed the game was played in Oklahoma City which is only 1200 feet above sea level.|
However, this game was played in Denver:
|Feb-20-12|| ||Jim Bartle: When I saw that link I assumed it was from the disastrous Paul Westhead year, when the Nuggets took the first possible shot and played no defense, just trying to exhaust the other team. (Didn't work.)|
But no, it was from the Doug Moe era, with his "just move the ball" offense and laissez-faire attitude toward defense.
How about Pistons starting forward Cliff Levingston? Must have been like a badge of honor to have scored only two points, assuming of course that he didn't miss ten or so. I really doubt he took more than three or four shots.
Pistons won despite horrendous foul shooting (37-60?) while Denver went 48-57. And they made only one three-pointer, which has to be the most surprising stat of all. Wasn't John Long a big-time outside shooter?
Danny Schayes scored 11 points. I know, shocking. But he did it with not a single field goal. Just 11-12 from the line.
And how could the Nuggets have let Isiah Thomas--I mean, Isiah Thomas--tip in a missed free throw to tie the game in regulation? I guess the intentionally-missed free throw was fired at the rim and there was a very long rebound. (But the article says "tipped in," which sounds like something different.)
By the way, I wonder if you know this: until the mid-60s, a tip-in of a missed free throw only counted for one point. I wonder how many points Wilt lost to that rule.
And I love the hand-written scoresheets. Great to look at.
|Feb-20-12|| ||WannaBe: <Jim Bartle: ... By the way, I wonder if you know this: until the mid-60s, a tip-in of a missed free throw only counted for one point. I wonder how many points Wilt lost to that rule...>|
I did not know that! Thanks for sharing that. =)
|Feb-20-12|| ||WannaBe: News: The Oakland A's have signed Manny Ramirez. http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7...|
Reaction: Now, with Bartolo Colon already on the staff, all they need is Carlos Zambranos. The most disfunctional baseball team, ever.
|Feb-20-12|| ||WannaBe: Since it's president's day, let's do a quick poll on the 'Worst Sports President'|
Here is your list (But feel free to add):
1. M. Jordan (See Wizards, Bobcats, drafted Kwame Brown.)
2. M. Millen (Detroit Lions)
3. I. Thomas (N.Y. Knicks)
|Feb-20-12|| ||Jim Bartle: That's some really tough competition. Millen was terrible at drafting players, and Jordan not only drafted Kwame Brown but proceeded to rip him to shreds in practice the first year. Both as bad as GMs/CEOs as they were good as players. (Not quite in Jordan's case--not possible.)|
But Isiah Thomas just seemed to be terrible in every possible way. He signed guys to huge contracts who turned out to be terrible, traded for Stephon Marbury thinking he could make him into Isiah II, fired competent staff, was a terrible coach, etc. Plus he bought the Continental Basketball Association and sent it right into bankruptcy.
|Feb-20-12|| ||Jim Bartle: Trying to name the worst, going beyond those three, is too tough for me. I just remember at some point in the 70s or 80s the president or owner of the Cleveland Cavaliers was so bad that all their trades had to be pre-approved by the league, and a number of them were annulled.|
And there was Charlie Finley. And Joe Thomas, former GM of the Colts and 49ers. Absolutely despised in San Francisco, he was booted out when the deBartolo's bought the team and brought in Bill Walsh.
And after great success in his first few years (aided greatly I assume by Jimmy Johnson), Jerry Jones has been terrible with the Dallas Cowboys. He's made tons of money, I'm sure, but the team has done almost nothing since it's last Super Bowl win in 1996. And that was with Barry Switzer as coach, who later proved to be incompetent as a pro coach.
|Feb-20-12|| ||Phony Benoni: I suppose the A's signed Ramirez to serve as a role model for Orlando Cespedes.|
By the way, this is <not> Presidents Day. It's Birthington's Washday.
|Feb-20-12|| ||WannaBe: From ESPN Page 2:
<1. "Politics is like football. If you see daylight, go through the hole."
-- John Fitzgerald Kennedy
2. "In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: 'Hit the line hard, don't foul and don't shirk, but hit the line hard.'"
-- Theodore Roosevelt
3. "You have to add a little air into the war room now and then."
-- Dwight Eisenhower, on his love of golf
4. "It's a lot tougher to be a football coach than a President. You got four years as president, and they guard you. A coach doesn't have anyone to protect him when things go wrong."
-- Harry Truman
-- Lyndon Baines Johnson, asked his handicap when he was visiting the Masters
6. "You mean there aren't enough people mad at me already?"
-- Ronald Reagan, on being presented with a referee's uniform during a visit from the NBA Commissioner>
|Feb-20-12|| ||OhioChessFan: http://aol.sportingnews.com/mlb/sto...|
<Atlanta Braves pitcher Tommy Hanson is being checked for a possible concussion after blowing a tire on his way to the first workout of spring training.>
Things can only get better.
|Feb-20-12|| ||Jim Bartle: Reading that article, it still jolts me a little to read "Braves manager Fredi Gonzalez." I thought it was going to be Bobby Cox forever.|
|Feb-20-12|| ||WannaBe: Without C. Anthony, Knicks beat the Lakers, Dallas, etc...|
With C. Anthony back, Knicks are losing (AT HOME, AT MSG!!) by double-digits to the Nets, who are 9-24 this season.
|Feb-21-12|| ||WannaBe: Plenty of shares left, be sure to get yourself one before it ends!|
|Feb-21-12|| ||keypusher: <Jim Bartle>
Here's a very interesting article about Thomas from the 70s. He helped assemble strong rosters in Minnesota, Miami, and Baltimore before SF. But he burned bridges everywhere he went.
Most interesting facts in the article for me:
the DeBartolos paid $17 million for the 49ers in 1977, and that was considered a high price.
Head coach Monte Clark made $57K a year.
|Feb-21-12|| ||keypusher: <With C. Anthony back, Knicks are losing (AT HOME, AT MSG!!) by double-digits to the Nets, who are 9-24 this season.>|
From what I read the big problem was Deron Williams lit Lin up for 38 points. The knock on Lin was supposed to be that he couldn't play defense. Anyone see the game?
|Feb-21-12|| ||WannaBe: <keypusher> I did not see the game, I only read the recap on ESPN.com.|
If Lin could not stop Williams by himself, or double-team him and get help, then the coach should try to put different defender on Williams. (So, in this case, I would fault the coach).
However, we all know, that at times, a player is just in a zone, and everything thrown up goes in... =)
|Feb-21-12|| ||Shams: Another groaner sports headline I wish I'd written:
|Feb-21-12|| ||Shams: <keypusher> As I'm sure you know Steinbrenner and his group paid just $10m to buy the Yankees from CBS in 1973. ("I called him sir and he liked it" Steinbrenner said in a "60 Minutes" interview.) Current value of the team, 170 times that amount.|
|Feb-22-12|| ||Jim Bartle: San Antonio simply rested Duncan and Parker last night in Portland, and lost by 40 points, breakingan 11-game winning streak. Ginobili is injured.|
Both were healthy, but the coach decided to play it safe because they were playing three games in four nights on the road. Too many games in too few nights this year. Aside from not wanting to wear out or injure his stars, Popovich must have been protesting the schedule.
But I wouldn't have liked it if I were a Portland fan and had spent a lot of money to see San Antonio play, wanting to see Duncan and Parker in person. I'd have felt cheated.
|Feb-23-12|| ||keypusher: <phony benoni> i agree with AJ on one thing -- that was a terrific post on the Pillsbury-Tarrasch page.|
|Feb-23-12|| ||playground player: <Phony Benoni> Thanks for the tip!|
Believe it or not, I do study the Polish Opening. I have Lapshun's book, and I've been working on the chapter devoted to the line mentioned by <Parisattack>, 1.b4,e5 2.Bb2, Bxb4 3.Bxe5 . Lapshun considers this the best line for Black and the most difficult for White.
What usually happens is the Black player never saw the opening before and has to try to wing it.
|Feb-25-12|| ||Jim Bartle: At the moment (Saturday afternoon), two consecutive headlines at cnnsi.com:|
"LIVE RaceBuddy: Watch Danica in N'wide race"
"Danica wrecks early in Daytona Nationwide race"
|Feb-25-12|| ||WannaBe: I can't remember which Indy 500 it was, but Sarah Fisher and one other female driver was in it. Big news, everyone was talking about it.|
Believe it was lap 25 or so, maybe 30... The two female drivers smacked into each other.
Write your own headline.
|Feb-25-12|| ||drukenknight: >>Hmmm. It may be constant from year to year or park to park, but I have my doubts that it's a constant from player to player.|
>>I suspect that that the good hitters have a higher [Type A/Type B] ratio than the lesser hitters, and that the Type A balls end up being hits more than the Type B balls.
NO actually you are on the right track. When I first read about the concept my understanding it was more or less constant, and seemed to remain so from batter to batter. But after I posted that above it occurred to me there must be some range to it.
So went back to the baseballthinkfactory and asked someone if they have an idea of what the standard deviation is on it. From what I gather it seems to be about 3% from a mean of around .29% It is a far tighter grouping than say batting average or OBP percentage or whatever.
I think Steve Kemp was at 35% last year, so this maybe an outlier but I am not sure so that is why I asked them that question.
Also it seems that BABIP has been on the increase since the 1970s when it was more like .275. I have no idea that that might mean.
Also on power hitters, there is sort of a natural selection process if a guy was to say strike out 25% of the time, and hit HR say 5% of the time, he would have to have a BABIP of about 36% in order to hit .300.
So it's not really clear if power hitters have natural higher BABIP because they hit the ball harder or rather if they had typical BABIP they simply wouldnt hit enuf to stay in the league. Its an interesting question which only beginning to get some traction on BTF.
ALso as a pt of reference, I think ground balls have a BABIP of 25%; flyballs a mere 14% and line drives I think >50%. I think line drives currently run bout 20% and FB 42% and GB 38%. I think the math works out...
It's all very interesting, if I learn more from BTF I'll try to pass it along. I'll try to post that thread but the interface is sort of hard to keep up if the thread slows down so...
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