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|May-26-12|| ||playground player: Jared Diamond is a silly person who takes it upon himself to apologize for historical crimes that he had nothing to do with. |
Persons living in pre-tech societies are not "more intelligent" than persons living in hi-tech societies.
Persons living in hi-tech societies are <stupider> than those in pre-tech cultures! And making themselves even more stupid by the day.
|May-26-12|| ||The Big Lebowski: Yeah but at least we have TV and bowling in the high tech society, the dark ages must have been a real bummer.|
|May-26-12|| ||playground player: <BigLebowski> True.|
It occurs to me that my last post was too flippant. Diamond cheeses me off with his own little brand of racism.
Basic human intelligence is the same wherever you go. Transplant a hunter from the Australian bush to Silicon Valley, and he will fail. Transplant a computer engineer from Silicon Valley to the Outback, and he will fail. Both individuals, thrust into environments for which they are not properly equipped, will appear to be stupid.
Obviously, if your culture does not provide you with the means to store information on paper, or in computers, etc., you will have to be able to <remember> more things than someone who does not have to remember a lot of information because he can store it, and retrieve it at need.
Our hi-tech culture encourages us to be much less self-reliant than people in low-tech or pre-tech cultures. Maybe that's what Diamond means by "less intelligent."
Then again, maybe he's just talking about texting, reality TV, and relying on the government to tell you what to eat, what to drive, where to live, and when to change your underwear...
|May-26-12|| ||The Big Lebowski: Yeah but if a high tech guy googles how to hunt in the Australian Bush he can be well prepared, or if he watches Animal Planet on the tube he can know many things about the animal kingdom. Where as the Outback hunter with a spear couldn't adapt to silicon valley.|
|May-26-12|| ||Phony Benoni: So all I need to do to become a good bowler is some Googling and watching the Pro Bowlers' Tour on TV?|
OK, that's a silly comparison. It's my nature to think that way. But adapting to a totally unimaginable culture is not an easy task. Intellectual knowledge is nice, but only growing up within the culture can provide the sense of it being natural and instinctual.
One thing that evolution shows us is that change is inevitable, but not always favorable. [You don't need to fully accept the theory to recognize the validity of isolated insights.] Looking at history chronologically gives a false sense of the inevitabilty of progress; instead, it's a series of zig-zags that don't always go forward.
I don't know whether our present culture is a progression or a regression. I'm not inclined to be pessimistic, but there are certainly reasons to be so.
Perhaps we'll weed out the worst offenders when they keep walking into traffic while texting. I suggest that scientists keep a close watch on the future development of the human thumb. If they start getting lean and muscular, the Twittees have won.
|May-26-12|| ||Jim Bartle: "I suggest that scientists keep a close watch on the future development of the human thumb. If they start getting lean and muscular, the Twittees have won."|
I doubt that will happen. I can't see the capability to send and receive texts as improving one's "fitness."
Exhibit A: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGpV...
|May-26-12|| ||Jim Bartle: On "The Big Bang Theory" Sheldon needed to learn to swim, so he decided to learn from the Internet, lying on the floor of his apartment.|
|May-26-12|| ||Memethecat: <playground player: Jared Diamond is a silly person who takes it upon himself to apologize for historical crimes that he had nothing to do with.> In which part of Guns, Germs & Steel did you read that?|
|May-26-12|| ||Jim Bartle: On another page OCF posted this article about Pete Rose and the Dowd Report:|
I read Bill James' long critique of the Dowd Report, and I think James was highly persuasive in his claim that Dowd was biased and interpreted every possible piece of evidence in the worst possible light for Rose.
The report simply was not convincing. But James never claimed Rose was innocent, only that Dowd hadn't proved him guilty. That Rose later admitted his guilt doesn't change that.
I went to game four of the 2002 World Series (only Series game I've ever attended), and there was a sponsored presentation of the winners of a contest to name the ten greatest moments in baseball history or something like that.
Rose's hitting streak was one of the "winners," and when he was called onto the field (in San Francisco) you should have heard the ovation. Deafening and went on for several minutes.
|May-26-12|| ||hms123: <PB>
I just watched the most amazing inning in college baseball.
<HOOVER, Ala. — Anthony Gomez singled home the go-ahead run — and then stole home — and Vanderbilt rode a five-run ninth inning to an 8-6 victory over Florida Saturday in the Southeastern Conference tournament.
The Commodores (33-25), aiming for their first SEC tournament title since 2007, face Mississippi State in Sunday’s championship game at 2:30 p.m. on ESPN2.
Vanderbilt fueled the comeback win over the Gators (42-18) with a flurry of stolen bases, six in the ninth. That included a triple-steal with the bases loaded when Gomez made his dash to home plate.>
Six stolen bases! Triple steal! Crazy.
|May-26-12|| ||Jim Bartle: I'll have to look for a youtube of that.
Seems really strange to be stealing bases when they started the inning three runs behind. Maybe the pitcher was really slow to home, or the catcher had a weak arm.
|May-26-12|| ||Phony Benoni: Then there was this game, particularly the performance of Robby Thompson:|
|May-26-12|| ||hms123: <Jim>
Vanderbilt was down 4 to 3 when the inning started. Florida scored two runs in the bottom of the ninth. The game ended with the bases loaded.
|May-26-12|| ||Jim Bartle: I can see why Thompson had three hits but no runs.|
|May-26-12|| ||OhioChessFan: <JB> I was totally convinced by the Dowd report. If he'd just admitted it 20 some years ago.......|
Per the 3 hits, no runs, who was the player that his own teammates jokingly referred to as Five Oh Two Oh in reference to his boxscore?
|May-26-12|| ||Jim Bartle: You did notice Thompson was thrown out stealing four times, right?|
hms123: Strange things are more likely to happen in college baseball, with those metal bats.
|May-26-12|| ||OhioChessFan: Yes on Thompson. I'm thinking maybe Steve Sax on the 5020.|
|May-27-12|| ||Shams: A triple steal tonight in college baseball. Apparently this is rare. Why is that? If the runner on third is stealing, why not send the other two runners, more or less for free? I'd think it might freeze the catcher for a second.|
|May-27-12|| ||OhioChessFan: The main reason they don't always go ahead and send all the runners is that the runner from third might see a pitchout, and hurry back to 3rd. Usually the first run is the crucial one, so if the lead runner scores, subsequent runners on first and second instead of second and third isn't all that important. If he goes back, he needs the open base on third.|
|May-27-12|| ||hms123: Here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYcN...|
The play made the ESPN top ten plays this morning.
|May-27-12|| ||Phony Benoni: Re <OCF>'s point: you'll notice the runners and second and especially first delay before they start, to be sure the runner on third is really going home.|
|May-27-12|| ||The Big Lebowski: <Phony Benoni> I can see why you and Jim Bartle really love baseball. I mean you sit out in the bleachers drinking a couple of brews and have a hotdog with mustard! What can beat that? And the game has no clock so you can just get your mind into the game and the karma of the crowd. |
|May-27-12|| ||Jim Bartle: At first it would seem silly to try to steal home with the bases loaded. You've got a chance to score multiple runs and you give up part of that possibility to risk getting one run.|
But on the other hand, if all three runners go, the catcher is certainly going to try to tag the runner going home, not throw to a base. (He probably couldn't with the distraction of the runner.) But say he's out? You've still got runners on second and third, and now no force (as long as there weren't two outs).
Odd but not illogical.
|May-27-12|| ||playground player: <MemetheCat> That was an impression I formed long ago by reading his columns in <Natural History.> I admit I haven't read the book you mentioned. That little hint about people in less industrialized cultures being actually "more intelligent" than their industrialized counterparts... well, it kind of set me off, and I reacted without devoting much thought to it.|
And it's kind of funny I should've done so, because in a way I agree with him. I think our hi-tech culture makes us less self-reliant, less creative, less daring than we ought to be. It encourages us to depend on our machines, and most of us will be helpless if those machines ever fail.
Which they could, you know...
|May-27-12|| ||Jim Bartle: Here in Peru you get two opposite opinions about the campesinos living in villages or out in the Andean countryside.|
A lot of people see them as ignorant. Others see them as a wise people who have received the great wisdom of their Inca and pre-Inca ancestors.
My impression is that they're just people like people everywhere, some intelligent, some not, some with good will, others only self-interested. Like anywhere else.
Not really on point, but poor rural adults here, and particularly among the great numbers who have migrated to the cities, are anxious for their children to learn today's technical professions,such as computer programming and graphic design, to get ahead in the modern world.
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