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|Nov-13-14|| ||chancho: That's not going to happen.
|Nov-13-14|| ||Jim Bartle: <Obamacare Rate Increases Low as Insurer Competition Grows|
By Alex Wayne Oct 30, 2014 11:01 PM GMT-0500
Obamacare premiums, once predicted to skyrocket in the second year under the government’s marketplace, have risen about 6 percent for 2015, according to an analysis of preliminary state filings.
While foes of the Affordable Care Act warned of double-digit rate increases, the costs of premiums seen so far is more modest for the new year. One reason may be that insurers who came in high in 2014 found themselves beaten out for enrollments. At the same time, 77 new insurance plans will be competing for customers in 2015, U.S. officials say.>
|Nov-14-14|| ||PinnedPiece: <<Obamacare Rate Increases Low >|
And we were all suckered into believing that Obamacare was going to turn the tide on rate increases, making health care insurance affordable for everyone, and we'd be able to keep our old plan and doctor if we wanted....And what passes for "good news" is that the incredible new rate increases are going to slow down.
No bigger crock of shlitz was ever served up by a government governed by a constitution all its members swore an oath to abide by and defend.
And now we learn the depths of the depravity of the "super bright intellectuals from the halls of academia" who knew the best way to fool a nation into accepting trash for all. (Academics know that only when everyone is served the same trash is a society truly equality-driven.)
<Washington (CNN) -- As Congress voted on the Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare, in 2010, one of the bill's architects, MIT economist Jonathan Gruber, told a college audience that those pushing the legislation pitched it as a bill that would control spiraling health care costs even though most of the bill was focused on something else and <<>there was no guarantee the bill would actually bend the cost curve.>>
What sickos we let into office.
|Nov-14-14|| ||WannaBe: There was a bit of a "conspiracy theory", when Covered Health Care first rolled out, enrollment began Oct 1, 2013. However this year, it will begin Nov 15, 2014. AFTER THE MIDTERM ELECTION.|
Oregon have a minor decrease in premium, while Lousiana have the highest increase, Colorado falls somewhere in the schizo land (-22% to high premium increase). So, this 6% increase is really not the full story.
There is also the fear that in order to not pay more for premium, you may have to change carrier or go to a lower tiered plan.
|Nov-14-14|| ||chancho: Speaking of "sickos", Mitt Romney's <Romneycare> is very similar to <Obamacare>, and I'll bet you coffee to donuts that you voted for him.|
Don't deny it.
Theodore Roosevelt, a Republican Progressive wanted health care for all.
He also happens to have his face adorned at Mt Rushmore.
Yup, the sickos that get elected.
|Nov-15-14|| ||OhioChessFan: http://media.cagle.com/205/2014/11/...|
|Nov-17-14|| ||PinnedPiece: <chancho: Theodore Roosevelt, a Republican Progressive wanted health care for all.|
He also happens to have his face adorned at Mt Rushmore.>
Trust me on this, Obamacare in all its glaring hideousness is never going to get Obama's head onto another outcrop at Mt Rushmore.
Last weekend in Australia he denied all knowledge of the architect of Obamacare, and especially the sentiment that "Americans are too stupid to accept this bill unless we fool them."
<"I just heard about this [statement that Gruber made]"> ---Obama
<"He was never part of our staff">
Note Gruber (who is simply instructing acolytes in these videos, e.g. http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/12/i... ) is far and away the more honest in these revelations: <“And Obama was like, ‘Well, you know’ — I mean, he is really a realistic guy,” Gruber said, describing his meeting with Obama. “He is like, ‘Look, I can’t just do this.’ He said: ‘It is just not going to happen politically. The bill will not pass. How do we manage to get there through phases and other things?’ And we talked about it. And he was just very interested in that topic.”>
What a bold and outrageous liar that Obama is. I had him pegged correctly after six months in office. He is one voluminous liar that you Democrats must take a lot of pride in. Obama denies ever even having heard of Jonathan Gruber, academic and a key member of the Romneycare and Obamacare legislation writing teams.
To prove what a deceitful idiot we have as president, here is something from 2009, when the bill was under discussion by Democrats (Republicans were NEVER given a say):
<“According to Gruber, who has been our guide on a lot of this, it’s somewhere in the vicinity of an $8 billion cost. We could not get CBO actually to score this for us. So, but that’s about the cost that I think it is.”>
Democrats: Governance by Deceit and Fraud. Don't believe them on anything.
|Nov-18-14|| ||Colonel Mortimer: <He is one voluminous liar that you Democrats must take a lot of pride in>|
That puts him in the Bush camp, whose adherents are even more fanatically loyal despite the lies over Iraq.
Lies that cost hundreds of thousands of innocent lives..
So no Mt Rushmore for folksy glove puppet Bush and his evil manipulator Cheney. The fires of hell will be turned on extra hot for these specimens and their collaborators.
|Nov-18-14|| ||PinnedPiece: <CM: despite the lies over Iraq.>|
More total B.S. from you, <Mortimer>.
Bush promoted what he thought, and what the intelligence estimates and military estimates at the time thought were true.
Time after time I have debunked these accusations of lies, which were promoted by his mortal political enemies looking to get back in power. None of the lies are substantively factual; all the accusations are based on political motives. This is something you will never understand due to your limited knowledge of what is going on here, and even more limited knowledge of world history.
To call Bush a liar over Iraq is to say that whenever any leader from the dawn of time makes pronouncements based on best knowledge of the day, which later turns out to be questionable, has in fact told a lie.
Compare for utter stupid comment quality:
*Newton lied about the forces of Gravity.
*Buddha lied about the true path to enlightenment.
*Jesus Christ lied about the immanent end of normal temporal earth.
*The scientists of the 1970s lied about an immanent new ice age.
*New Zealand politicans lied about returning stolen land to the Maoris in the 1800s when making peace deals.
"Bush Lied." This just doesn't apply when pronouncements are made in good faith with otherwise dependable information. <Bush lied people died> is a political slogan meant to disinform stupid people and get democrats elected to office....a campaign that split this country needlessly, based on total false characterizations.
"Bush Lied"....That is such a stupid point of view that is doesn't even bear further comment.
Furthermore, the scale of deception from the Obama admin is orders of magnitude greater, more intentional and more purposeful.
|Nov-18-14|| ||Colonel Mortimer: <pipi> The intelligence was knowingly poor. Cheney was a regular down at Langley coaching the analysts.|
The Bush administration didn't get the evidence they deserved, they got the intelligence they wanted and then set their best speech writers, the corporate media and a hapless Colin Powell to work on it.
I publicly debunked your debunking on the Rogoff page, after which you took a sabbatical, remember?
|Nov-18-14|| ||Jim Bartle: It's possible Bush didn't know the intelligence was false, but Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith, etc. certainly did.|
|Nov-18-14|| ||PinnedPiece: <CM: I publicly debunked your debunking on the Rogoff page, after which you took a sabbatical, remember?>|
Yeah yeah. Just as accurate a comment as all your others on historical points.
Especially your comment about how American presidents are all alike. Or how Ahmadinejad never meant that Israel should actually be wiped off the map. Or any of hundreds of other highly iconoclastic and imaginative re-interpretations you've had of the world around you.
|Nov-18-14|| ||chancho: <PP: Trust me on this, Obamacare in all its glaring hideousness is never going to get Obama's head onto another outcrop at Mt Rushmore.>|
I trust you, but I don't recall saying that it would.
My point was that it was Republicans like Romney (who you probably voted for) who pushed for the idea of healthcare insurance.
<Democrats: Governance by Deceit and Fraud. Don't believe them on anything.>
Republicans are no better. :-)
|Nov-19-14|| ||PinnedPiece: <CM> I have deleted your repetitious debunked crap and will continue to do so. Go fill up your own forum with repetitions of those political smears, gross misinterpretations of self-serving isolated clips, and naively blind denials about intentions of Israel's enemies.|
You want to post a LINK here, to your previous statements and discussions somewhere else, that's fine.
|Nov-19-14|| ||Colonel Mortimer: <those political smears>|
Quoting political officials on the record is a political smear?
Come come <pipi>, you deleted those quotes because you didn't like the implications of the evidence presented.
Your fretful censorship marks a new low in your inability to come to terms with the fact that ALL politicians lie. Not just Democrats.
|Nov-19-14|| ||chancho: Politicians from BOTH SIDES of the ideological spectrum are full of chit.|
Case in point:
|Nov-19-14|| ||Colonel Mortimer: <chancho:> Reagan is holy, and what with this forum being guided by the heavy hand of censorship, I don't think the evidence you present of Reagan blatantly lying is going to curry favour.|
|Nov-19-14|| ||chancho: <Colonel Mortimer> Well, if it gets deleted that does not win <PP> any points. ;-)|
|Nov-21-14|| ||PinnedPiece: ===Insane Science===
Washington Post here trying hard to give credence to scientific theories that global warming is driving severe winter weather:
<Here's the atmospheric physics behind the idea: Warm air expands, and naturally there is much more warm air at the equator than at the poles. Thus, the atmosphere is thicker at the equator, and the jet stream's motion is driven by the decline in atmospheric thickness as one moves in a poleward direction -- in effect, its atmospheric river flows "downhill," in Francis’s words. However, if the Arctic is warming faster than the mid-latitudes, then the difference in thickness as you move in a poleward direction should decrease. And this should slow the jet stream, leading to more loops and turns -- and consequently, weather of all types getting stuck in place for longer.>
Scientists faced with actual weather. And a theory to save. If this doesn't strain your credulity, then you haven't been following all the circuitous explanations that bought and paid-for govt. research grant scientists have offered for why their models are totally unable to predict long-term trends.
And you haven't studied meteorology either.
And you are not aware of the weather cycles we have had on he earth...
How about the 1816 summer that never was?
How about that blizzard of 1888?
What about NYC's blizzard of Jan. 1910?
Sure enough all events caused by human-induced global warming and growing heat in the arctic.
Those and many more. Heh. Not.
|Dec-30-14|| ||PinnedPiece: The official count is in. The Obama administration imposed 75,000 pages of new regulations in 2014....|
What a great administration the Democrats have foisted on America.
< Another oncoming rule, which experts and analysts say is likely to be the most expensive federal regulation in all of U.S. history, could wreak havoc across the nation and crush the economy to the point that economic growth halts completely, experts said. Even Christmas lights, though, are now in the administration’s regulatory crosshairs, along with virtually everything else.>
You vote some idiot into office these days, and they totally rewrite the American landscape. Just great.
|Dec-30-14|| ||Colonel Mortimer: <What a great administration the Democrats have foisted on America.>|
They are not alone..
"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction." Cheney
"We don't torture people" Bush
|Dec-31-14|| ||Jim Bartle: <The official count is in. The Obama administration imposed 75,000 pages of new regulations in 2014....>|
Yet a Texas fertilizer factory can still explode, and rivers in West Virginia and North carolina can turn toxic with no interference. Go figure.
|Dec-31-14|| ||Colonel Mortimer: <Yet a Texas fertilizer factory can still explode, and rivers in West Virginia and North carolina can turn toxic with no interference. Go figure.>|
I'm not sure <pipi> gives a damn about pollution and health & safety.
In the pursuit of profit - anything goes..
But I might be mistaken - can you clarify <pipi>?
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