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|Mar-22-12|| ||twinlark: Sorry frog, I deleted my post when I concluded it wouldn't add anything useful to the discussion.|
|Mar-22-12|| ||frogbert: <CG has been reluctant to do so without mechanisms in place to track changes in case they needed to be undone>|
with the method i proposed (or something similar), they wouldn't really open up anything for anyone. they would technically make the change themselves, with full control over what changes would be effected - enabling a "preview" of the changes, transaction & rollback functionality, etc.
technically cg.com could implement exactly as fine-grained change control they'd like using such a scheme.
however, for some types of changes (not the ones i volunteered to do) there might be a need to be able to preview the change (for the person doing the editing). so that might be an issue in certain areas.
the level of "abstract thinking" needed to provide info in the way i suggested, shouldn't exclude very many contributors i guess; after all non-programmers are very much used to dealing with columns and rows (tables) of information.
|Mar-22-12|| ||Tabanus: Guys, I doubt cg would be able to implement much change control, as they are also doing this for a living. IMO they would have to trust a few.|
I would trust e. g. twinlark and frogbert! There are many others but I haven't followed their postings.
Can't change control also be automated? For example, any change creates a (dated) post in a certain forum on who did what. I realize that would not necessarily mean the change could be reversed.
|Mar-22-12|| ||Domdaniel: <LMAJ> wrote (among other things) -- <If someone wants to comment on a game, they could always e-mail me. (My e-mail is in my header.)>|
This means that the games have no business being in the database at all.
I appreciate that some of Mr Goldsby's games have been disfigured by inane or insulting posts, some of them made by him. I assume that any disabling of the kibitz function there is a temporary measure while this is cleared up.
I don't see how one player's games can be given a special firewall. The *purpose* of the CG database - check your mission statements - is to provide a historical database of chess games *upon which members are able to comment, if they adhere to certain guidelines*.
The point of discussing and analyzing games is to hold a public conversation about them. I agree, of course, that this should not be about the assumed character of the players. But the idea of emailing one's analysis to a player privately is absurd, in the CG context. Do it if you really want to, but it's not what this place is about.
I will refrain from commenting on exactly what kind of brown-nosed grovelling qualifies as "objective" comment in the Goldsby universe.
I still don't see how he can remain, having publicly attacked the site. Or even why.
But thanks, CG, for including a recap of AJ-related comments in a recent post. People with long ignore lists often fail to hear what is being said, unless somebody in authority points it out to them.
|Mar-22-12|| ||chessgames.com: <Hesam7> Yes we did get that--I'm sorry for not replying but I wasn't exactly sure what to say at the time. We can continue this discussion via email.|
|Mar-22-12|| ||chessgames.com: Not many people have been around to remember this, but a looooooong time ago the Goldsby games were shut down for kibitzing just like they are now. The reason was exactly the same: that the discussion on them was a constant source of complaints and strife. |
And you know what? It worked brilliantly.
Then later (years later, I think), I assumed that since the fire was out, there was no harm in eliminating the rule. And so I rescinded the original decision. Quite possibly the most regrettable decision I've ever made regarding the management of this website.
|Mar-22-12|| ||MarkFinan: <chessgames.com> Would i, if a premium member, be able to submit some of my old tournament games from when i was actually a decent player??|
It's just iv'e got two games, one against GM Short, and one against Ex-British champion Brian Eley(one loss, one win) that i plan on digging out sometime soon, and id like to post them.. Or do you have to have a current FIDE, USCF, BCF etc... rating to have a player page??
|Mar-22-12|| ||chessgames.com: <Tabanus> <Most (if not all) of my bio posts are now obsolete, as they are copied, corrected, enhanced, rewritten and/or replaced and put in the bio section. I won't be angry if you delete (any of) them.> Thanks for letting us know that, but if it's all the same to you I don't see any problem in letting your original posts stand. Thanks also for giving us excellent starting points for so many players.|
<It seems to me that with the current bio writers the bio section on top is a success.> Agreed, and thanks.
<But the database of games can be improved.> Also agreed.
<What if you give a handful of people (not too many, and not me) the right to add, edit and delete games? For example with an upper limit of how many games to add or delete. Or with the right to act on correction slips only. I think you would be happy with what a few people can do in this respect.>
Well, we have one person who does exactly that as a part time job now--our lovely and fastidious User: CG Librarian.
Part of the reason why we've never been open about this kind of editing is that the admin tools are very roughy, and extremely abstruse. There's no documentation. There are no nice "are you sure?" windows to stop you from doing something disastrous. One wrong slip and you've just deleted Bobby Fischer! Oh and by the way, there's no "undo". Of course we have backups, but if a big mistake was made things would get REAL messy. The only reason that I trust our Librarian to do the job is that she possesses a rare kind intellect that allows her to do this work unerringly.
However there are a number of small discrete things that could be "nerfed" and then we'd feel comfortable about sharing the work. Things like "Player black in this game wasn't _____ like it says, it was really ____." If a trusted user like Phony Benoni or Stonehenge makes a correction of that type, you can take it to the bank. So would I trust them to edit it directly? Sure I would. The software just isn't in place... at least not yet.
|Mar-22-12|| ||chessgames.com: <MarkFinan> Submitting games has nothing to do with premium-member status; just go to the PGN Upload Utility and follow the directions.|
|Mar-22-12|| ||WannaBe: Re: PGN submission, I believe, the (old) rule is, one of the participant have to be (ELO) 2200+|
Not sure what that equates to in term of British ratings... But if the game(s) involves N. Short, I'm quite certain they would qualify.
|Mar-22-12|| ||MarkFinan: I guess the problem will be *proving* that these games are Short and Eley's games!.. I doubt GM Short could confirm this given the game is over 25 years ago, but i did once ask him if he remembered playing a simul in Scarborough, England, but he never answered...|
So, if anyone could tell me how i could verify this, thanks in advance..
They were played mid 80's!
|Mar-22-12|| ||WannaBe: <CG> Just as an FYI, file it away for future references...|
1. Checked out the new addition by <Annie K.> for the Chinese pronunciation on my Android phone, worked really good.
(Now, if I can only find the volumn control for the device, not my ring-tone.)
2. Interesting observation, if a page, have 2 links to the target (e.g. avatar of <Phony Benoni> and the forum link, the forum link would not work, but the avatar link would.
So, as an example, if I go to recent forum kibit'n and my forum have a recent post. My avatar and/or my forum's "WannaBe's Forum" link would not work. I need to tap on the <profile> button on top right.
Wonder if anyone else have seen this on their smart (i)phone. I wonder if this done to cut down (the amount of) data transmition?
Again, not terribly important, just some info that I want to share.
|Mar-22-12|| ||rogge: <Wonder if anyone else have seen this on their smart (i)phone>|
Yep, on Sony Tablet S (but not on iPad 2)
|Mar-22-12|| ||WannaBe: <rogge> Thanks!! So it's not just me, (see, all my psychiatrists are WRONG!!)|
Also, I see it with both the built-in browser and the Dolphin Android browser...
|Mar-22-12|| ||rogge: Hehe, weird :)|
|Mar-22-12|| ||chessgames.com: <2. Interesting observation, if a page, have 2 links to the target (e.g. avatar of <Phony Benoni> and the forum link, the forum link would not work, but the avatar link would.> |
I'm still a bit confused at what you're witnessing. You mean in any general case or just with regards to avatars?
Suppose somebody posts < I like www.yahoo.com, hurray for www.yahoo.com > then the first link would work and the 2nd one would be a fake? Is the 2nd link even colored like a link, or does the phone magically delinkify it?
We have an Android, an iPhone, and one of those brand-spanking-new iPads to test this out on.
|Mar-22-12|| ||WannaBe: <CG> Yes, I would tap on the second link (coloured, like a regular web-link), e.g. <Phony Benoni Forum> and nothing would happen, but if I tap the avatar, it would take me to the forum.|
It's general case, seems like if multi-ple links (on the same page) that goes to the same target, only the first link will work...
|Mar-22-12|| ||chessgames.com: Daniel spent 5 minutes examining the code behind Recent Chessforum Activity page and then muttered "thank God I'm a genius."|
See if it works now. :)
|Mar-22-12|| ||rogge: <"thank God I'm a genius." See if it works now>|
Yes and yes :)
|Mar-22-12|| ||LIFE Master AJ: BTW - I am for ANY measure which puts a cap on the trolls ruthless abuse of this site.|
|Mar-22-12|| ||WannaBe: <CG> Looks like I can confirm <rogge>'s post. Can I ask what was different? Or what did Daniel change?|
Also, no need for Daniel to thank me. =))
|Mar-22-12|| ||hatsis: CG.com, you said a while back that you are a business entity. My guess is that you are a private business. Are you going public soon or stay as mom and pop store? I wonder if we can jump in your IPO anytime soon?|
|Mar-23-12|| ||twinlark: <Wipe it all.> Amen to that brother.|
|Mar-23-12|| ||LIFE Master AJ: As for remorse or for guilt, I have absolutely none. I think most people realize that I usually stick to chess (for the most part) and have only failed when trying to respond to these persistant attacks. |
IF CG had really wanted to, they could have put a stop to this nonsense almost 10 years ago, when it first started. However, the fact remains that - for a long, long time - they did absolutely nothing.
|Mar-23-12|| ||jessicafischerqueen: <Robed Bishop> "detente" is not accurate. The war is already over by force, since Daniel locked comments on AJ's game pages.|
If anyone follows AJ to precious historical games pages for the purpose of attacking or stalking another user, that person will be put on probation, same as last time.
It's over. Let us celebrate with the adding of chocolate to milk, or with some equally festive activity.
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