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|Apr-19-12|| ||OhioChessFan: The page for today's opening of the day has these numbers of games with various next moves:
343, 49, 15 and then one unique game with a link to that game, adding up to 408 games. Below the board position, it says 407 games with that position. I thought, "Aha! It isn't counting the unique game link!" But then, a few plies later of the most popular moves, there is a unique game link but the numbers add up. A few plies after that, there are 2 unique games, and the number beneath the board position doesn't include those 2. All of which goes to show you something or another.|
|Apr-20-12|| ||chessgames.com: The short answer is that it has to do with transpositions.|
In the Opening Explorer Help Page there is a section that reads <When I add up the number of games in the moves column, it's bigger than the total number of games that contain the position shown. How can that be?> and a little example where From's gambit overlaps with the King's gambit.
Unfortunately the answer given is not 100% clear and doesn't cover every case of transposition, but it gives a thumbnail view.
I like to think of it like this: the diagram on the left has been seen in N games, and it will say "N games with that position", and it's 100% correct. Then on the right there are moves which all imply some different position (one move after from the diagram position) — however there is no guarantee that THOSE games actually saw the diagrammed position. They probably did, but there is no guarantee.
|Apr-21-12|| ||jessicafischerqueen: Hello!
If his schedule permits, is there any chance we can have <Nigel Short> on live commentary for the World Championship Match?
Could we make him an offer he can't refuse?
Thanks to Nigel's past efforts as guest expert, <CG.com> remains the only chess website in history to host an analyst who refers to the Black pieces as "The Brothers" and the White pieces as "The Honkies."
You can't really put a price on that eh?
Maybe you could tempt him by tripling his salary again.
|Apr-21-12|| ||dakgootje: Crumpets. I'm positively sure he can't refuse crumpets.|
|Apr-21-12|| ||chessgames.com: Nigel was an amazing commentator, but we have other plans this year. |
We claimed some time back that the Spring newsletter would announce our plans for commentator(s) -- but in fact it did not. I apologize for that. The truth is we are still tying up some loose ends and clarify the exact schedule. We've got a special guest lined up who you're probably not expecting but I don't want to say anything until the exact schedule is 100% confirmed. A special newsletter dubbed the "World Championship Bulletin" will go out in the next few days and at that point the cat will be fully out of the bag. Hang tight, and I promise you're going to love it!
|Apr-21-12|| ||chessgames.com: Another thing, we're scrambling to get a mobile version of the Live Game Broadcast Page up and running in time for the WCC. |
In 2012, more than ever before, people will be watching the match on their and pads and kindles etc. While our live page actually works fairly well on most mobile devices, it might be more useful to some people if a simplified version appeared instead. (Of course, mobile users will always be able to turn off the simplified view if they need to.)
With this in mind, we may do some beta-tests on Kramnik-Aronian over the next few days.
|Apr-23-12|| ||kingscrusher: Hi Chessgames.com
Regarding Sicilian Distinctions - telling apart the Kan from the Taimanov
The reason I bring this pedantic point up is I am doing a Sicilian Taimanov Youtube playlist ( http://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis... ), and noticed actually that the following Fischer Spassky game is listed as a Sicilian Paulsen (Kan):
Spassky vs Fischer, 1972
According to Wiki, when Nc6 is played, it transposes from the Paulsen (Kan) into the Taimanov variation. To keep the Kan being a Kan, black plays 5..Qc7
Am I correct in thinking that this Fischer Spassky game should be Sicilian Taimanov ?!
I think to get a correct opening classification it is important to go from the very last move of the game backwards and match the positions against an Opening reference. If this method is used then 5... Nc6 going in reverse would get the correct Sicilian Taimanov identification.
It is funny though because B46 has been assigned to this game which is Sicilian Taimanov:
Sicilian, Taimanov Variation (B46)
In fact also this Fischer Spassky page has Sicilian Taimanov for game 21 on the overview:
Fischer-Spassky World Championship Match (1972)
but on the game header it has:
Boris Spassky vs Robert James Fischer
"The Final Curtain" (game of the day Mar-10-06)
Fischer-Spassky World Championship Match 1972 · Sicilian Defense: Paulsen Variation (B46) · 0-1 "
|Apr-23-12|| ||dakgootje: <We've got a special guest lined up who you're probably not expecting >|
Anand is going to commentate while playing!
|Apr-23-12|| ||WannaBe: My money is on Li'l Chess Partner. (LCP).|
|Apr-23-12|| ||hms123: <WannaBe> I don't know about <LCP>. the chessgames folks are pretty Crafty (Computer).|
|Apr-23-12|| ||chessgames.com: <kingscrusher: Hi Chessgames.com - Regarding Sicilian Distinctions - telling apart the Kan from the Taimanov> Pedantic or not, this is what we live for.|
I am hardly an expert on what constitutes a Taimanov Sicilian so I don't feel qualified to exactly say what is correct or incorrect, but I can tell you what our files say. If our data are to be believed, it seems that the Taimanov is in fact a subset of the Paulsen Sicilian. (Historically this makes sense, as Paulsen lived a century prior to Taimanov.)
In fact one of our FEN positions in the master file says that this position, after 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nc6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be2 Nge7
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is <Sicilian Defense: Paulsen Variation. Taimanov Variation>. It is labelled B46.
Perhaps a contradiction, is that this position after 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nc6 5.Nc3 a6 (also a B46)
click for larger view
is dubbed simply <Sicilian Defense: Paulsen Variation.> I would think that it's the ...a6 that makes it a Taimanov, but it seems that Dr. Schiller believes that the ...Nge7 is part of what makes a Taimanov distinct. Or if it's an error, we will fix it and inform Dr. Schiller.
In short, perhaps we need to add a new FEN to cover this transposition, or perhaps we just need to relabel that Paulsen Variation above to read "Paulsen Variation: Taimanov Variation" just like the other one.
Can anybody explain exactly what make a Taimanov a Taimanov?
|Apr-23-12|| ||chessgames.com: <Anand is going to commentate while playing> ... <My money is on Li'l Chess Partner.> LOL. Sorry to be so mysterious, announcement is forthcoming!|
|Apr-23-12|| ||MarkFinan: It has to be Ms Polgar?
And you go <chessgames.com> with your "Pedanticness", get them told ;) LOL...
|Apr-23-12|| ||cro777: <What exactly makes a Taimanov a Taimanov?> |
The Taimanov Variation was introduced by the opening moves
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nc6 (1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 e6)
Sicilian Defense: Paulsen/Taimanov Variations
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4
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Taimanov is usually credited for variations involving 5.Nc3 Qc7 or involving ...Nge7 in conjunction with ...Nc6.
|Apr-23-12|| ||twinlark: Hi <ceegee>
There seems to be a problem with 14th Dubai Open (2012).
Ni Hua won this with 7/9 on tiebreak, yet his final score on the leaderboard at the above page is 6.5/9. Similarly there were 5 players who finished on 7/9 according to http://www.chess-results.com/tnr708..., yet only two appear on the tournament page as having 7/9...
With Ni Hua, he won his first four games, drew the next four and then won Ni Hua vs Y Kuzubov, 2012 in the 9th round to secure first, but at the game page it's given as a draw when the final position is clearly won. There is obviously a problem with quite a few of the other games as well.
Sorry about that, but it's better that you know.
On another note, any chance of that photo appearing on the IM's page? I know you're busy, but just asking as it has been a while.
|Apr-23-12|| ||chessgames.com: <There is obviously a problem with quite a few of the other games as well.> Oh boy. Well hopefully we can identify the problem games without much fuss and put correction slips in. I'm not sure how that happened, but in any case, the Librarian is on a lookout for Dubai games now.|
About the IM photograph, the email said <you can take a photo from my web-page> but when I went there I didn't see a photograph. I see some fine photos in Google but it's ambiguous which website he was referring to! Sorry about not mentioning this. Just clarify which photo he wants and we'll put it right up.
|Apr-24-12|| ||twinlark: <ceegee> I've sent the url for his website. I thought I'd sent that with his permission, but it appears I didn't. Sorry about that.|
|Apr-24-12|| ||AylerKupp: Sometime ago in chessgames.com chessforum you indicated that "The rules with spacing and double-spacing are hard to figure out, to put it mildly." Through trial and error I found that the "magic" number that causes a line to substitute a space for a line break is 52. If the number of characters on a line is 52 or less, then a line break will result in a new line. If the number of characters on a line is 53 or more, then the line break will be replaced by a space and the line will word wrap. This adversely affects the quality of the display since it forces one to add a blank line between each line of text so that every line is double spaced. This seems like a trivial issue but it makes summarizing information more difficult to display concisely.|
Could you please try to fix this? On the surface it doesn't seem all that hard to do; just look for the "Magic" number 52 (or 53). Much appreciated.
|Apr-24-12|| ||chessgames.com: We know about the magic number 53 but it's actually there for a reason. There was a discussion of this years ago.|
I do know what you mean however, the nuisance of that rule probably outweighs the benefits. There are some ideas for ways to "fix" this while still preserving its original intention.
|Apr-25-12|| ||chessgames.com: ANNOUNCEMENT
<from recent newsletter 'special WCC bulletin'>
What's better than a Woman Grandmaster?
That's right... TWO Woman Grandmasters!
For the upcoming Anand-Gelfand World Chess Championship, we'll be broadcasting the games live, joined by our very special guest, WGM Natalia Pogonina. She'll be joined by WGM Jennifer Shahade during game #3 and then again for the exciting final rounds (#10-12).
Make no mistake, our commentators are more than pretty faces! Natalia is a three-time European Girls champion (U16, twice U18), and has taken first place at multiple prestigious international tournaments. In 2010, her rating broke the 2500 mark. Jennifer is a two-time US Women's Champion, three-time Olympian, and noted chess author, not to mention an accomplished poker player. They'll both offer top-notch analysis and insights into the positions as the games develop, while they interact directly with Chessgames members.
As the moves are being transmitted from the Tretyakov Gallery in Moscow, they will be displayed on a large and attractive diagram at the top of our Live Broadcast Page. Computer analysis, game moves, and player statistics are all a click away, but the most valuable feature is in the "kibitzing" area beneath the board, where both our guest commentators and premium members are encouraged to share their questions, analysis, and ideas. So pull up a chair, and watch history unfold in good company!
|Apr-25-12|| ||MarkFinan: I had a feeling you had a WGM lined up, and plus Natalie Pogonina's kinda cute..
Very well done <chessgames.com>, look forward to It... :)|
|Apr-25-12|| ||Boomie: Both WGMs Pogonina and Shahade are experienced, capable and lively commentators. We will have a lot of fun with them.|
|Apr-26-12|| ||AylerKupp: <<chessgames.com:> We know about the magic number 53 but it's actually there for a reason.>|
I'm sure that there's a reason but for the life of me I can't imagine what that reason could be. I was a software developer and software manager for 40 years and I used to tell my subordinates that I always did things for a reason. It might be a dumb or misguided reason but I always had a reason. Of course, I'm not saying that's the case here. ;-)
What I would really like to see is a way to generate tables. Tables often provide the most concise way of presenting information such as a matrix of candidate moves and multiple chess engine evaluations of each move. See for example Akobian vs The World, 2011. "All" it would take would be a way to insert tabs and not have them be replaced by spaces so that all the text and numbers would line up in columns. Of course, that would mean that we would also need a <simple> way to specify the tab stops and change them if necessary.
An alternate approach would be to have a way to specify that a block of text should be rendered in a non-proportional font. That way we could simply add the necessary spaces to make the columns line up. It's not elegant but since, once displayed, the post is not going to change, it would be adequate.
I'm sure that you could think of others. Oh well, just to plant the idea . . .
|Apr-26-12|| ||hms123: <chessgames.com> <AylerKupp>|
From Nov 28, 2007
MostlyAverageJoe: <CG> Now I am curious why 54 characters are the cut-off before hyphen-space insertion happens?
MAJ, used to 80-character wide windows.
chessgames.com: <MAJ> It breaks the formatting of the HTML for some people, who have their character size set very large.
From Dec 30, 2009
chessgames.com: <zarg: Sometimes when posting e.g. tables of data, I would like to keep spaces i.e. avoid <cg> from replacing multiple spaces with a single one ... and use a font like e.g. <new courier>which preserve column alignment of the displayed text. Also turn off special display rules when and <> is used would be nice...>
We understand that issue. We've tried to present tabular data ourselves and know what it feels like trying to fight against the weirdformatting rules that we don't even fully understand.
<Is there a way to achieve this, for example by enclosing the posted text in some special tags>
Sadly, no. We've experimented in the past with ways to do this, in fact somewhere in this chessforum there was a special post I made which attempted to break into fixed-width bare bones layout. It looked great on my monitor but failed on several others, some users thought "Wow, they fixed it!" while others saw a garbled mess of characters. That's basically the reason why we don't go in this direction: compatibility.
In short, we have a very flexible kibitzing system, but flexible is NOT what you want when you wish to display tabular data. It's so flexible in fact that anything but the most trivial table would be guaranteed to not display properly on many people's machines. We haven't given up on the notion of table-display entirely (the need for it continually crops up) -- but on the other hand we're not working on the kibitzing module at this time.
|Apr-26-12|| ||chessgames.com: Here's a topical question on a different subject.
We're trying to reconcile why we have the classical game Vishy-Gelfand record as 7-5 (see search "Anand vs Gelfand") where Chessbase reckons it to be 6-5. (see http://www.chessbase.com/news/2012/...).
The difference seems to be that we regard Anand vs Gelfand, 2000 from the 2000 FIDE World Cup KO as a classical game. Are we certain that this wasn't one of the rapid tiebreaks?
There's also a discrepancy on the number of draws, perhaps stemming from the same event. Any insight is appreciated.
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