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Dec-23-12
 | | sofouuk: hmm. i don't want to prolong a disagreement, but do think there is a slight contradiction in what you say. first you point out that he is a GM and therefore understands positional chess much better than we do (individually and perhaps collectively), which is probably true in general, i guess, but has certainly not been evident in this game. but now you argue that after white gets the d4/e5 pawn wedge, black should basically never play f5? not sure if i agree about that, but if you are right, aren't you claiming to know something about positional chess which GMVA doesn't? please don't think im trying to be cute here. my point was that he has been a long way behind the world in this game, and has played moves which the world had identified as not being best well before he played them (and the world's assessment has turned out to be correct). having said that, i don't think he has played particularly badly other than in his choice of opening, which was unwise. there aren't many individuals who could take on the world in a complex positional game where computer analysis is relatively useless, especially if they start from a inferior position in the first place anyway it will also be interesting to see what happens to caro theory after this game, which has certainly not been a good advert for 5...Nd7 |
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Dec-23-12
 | | Patriot: Hi <morf>! Thanks on the Sunday problem. You did a great job finding the key move. When you wrote, <We can reject the captures 20...Rxg2 & 20...Nxf7 and the check 20...Nd3+>, I felt enthusiastic about it feeling there is something to be learned! I thought, "What did <morf> see so quickly that I didn't??" So if you don't mind letting me in on your secret I'd appreciate it! Because it took me a while to reject 20...Nxf7 and much longer to accept 20...Rxg2! It turns out that 20...Nxf7 is the better choice between the two and gives white only a slight edge. 20...Rxg2 gives white over a pawn advantage. <This touches on having played the game from move 1 vs looking at a set position. If you've played the game from move 1, subconsciously your inner-self is working through variations even if you aren't aware of it...> I agree completely on this. As you are playing the game you are aware of material differences and generally how things are developing. Also you may notice subtle tricks that may become active at some point. |
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Dec-23-12
 | | sevenseaman: #97858 Stakes are loaded against Black.
click for larger viewWhite.
While doing only half-cock analysis I wasted my N by playing it one move too early. The unwelcome denouement was; 1. Ng5 hxg5 2. Qh7+ Kf7 and I had no more checks.
The masterly approach would have been (alas);
1. Rxg7+ Kxg7 2. Rg1+ Kf7 ('h' file was tabu on a/c of h7 pin) 3. Ng5+ Ke7 (hxg5 Qh7#) 4. Nxf3  A 'hammed up' effort sits on one's conscience like pain in the ar.. . Moral: Always give it a min or two extra. |
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Dec-24-12
| | sevenseaman: Hi <morf>. Do you think we can think so long range? #100181 To get there, you have to see it.
click for larger viewWhite.
1. Qh6 Rc1+ 2. Rf1 Rxf1+ 3. Rxf1 Rg8 4. Qg7+ Rxg7 5. fxg7+ Kg8 6. Nf6+ Kxg7 7. Ne8+ Kf8 8. Nxc7 a5 9. Kg2 Na4 <4. Qg7+>! I do not think I will find the perspicacity to sac my Q at g7! |
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Dec-24-12
 | | morfishine: <DanLanglois> Raised in the South, I can handle this one <What is an outside toilet?> 'OutHouse' is the common term for a wooden upright structure, similar in shape to a phone booth, which encloses a hole in the ground, the purpose of which is to serve as a toilet. Outhouses were the domicile toilet prior to the advent of indoor plumbing. Inside the Outhouse, double-planked boards (*to prevent collapse), preferably sanded for the comfort of the user, are positioned approximately 1.5 feet above the ground and centered over the hole. The planked boards typically have two drilled-out and sanded holes, each approximately 1.5 feet in diameter, one each for boys and girls, which serve as the seat for the user. If small children are present, a smaller hole is cut. If the family is compromised of large-bodied individuals, whether by height, weight, width, girth or where their center of gravity is located, a larger hole is cut. *(NOTE: The double-planked boards serve to prevent collapse, which would result in the unfortunate occupant falling into the hole. I think this is where the term "Knee Deep in S___" came from, but I can't be sure). You may ask "Why not use a single plank of hard oak instead of double-planked boards?" The farmers had this all figured out. Oak, while extremely sturdy, is difficult to cut down and plank, much less cut a hole into. So the farmers found it easier to double-plank a softer wood. The enterprising farmer will take care in constructing his Outhouse, since the hole in the ground will require shovel fulls of dirt from time to time for obvious reasons, and eventually the hole will be filled up; thus the Outhouse will need to be relocated. By constructing his Outhouse out of sturdy Cedar or Maple, the farmer need only slowly tip the structure over, attach it to his harnessed workhorse, and have the animal drag the unit to the new location. In this way, the farmer need only dig a new hole, stand the Outhouse upright over the new hole using his workhorse, and thus be spared having to build an entirely new OutHouse. Pine Wood, due to its outstanding aromatic features, is highly prized for constructing Outhouses, but is not always available. |
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Dec-24-12
| | sevenseaman: #55447 Preposterous!
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Was it a human move? |
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Dec-24-12
| | sevenseaman: <morf> You had it in your elephantine memory or you found it? Either way its great! The mundane moves that follow this superlative one are; 1...Kf8 2. Rxe2. |
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Dec-24-12
| | Patriot: Good morning, <morf>. I have to admit, 20...Rxg2 doesn't really threaten much although it does get the rook out of harms way. It has its plusses: 1) black wins after 21.Bxg2 (white's resource after 20...bxa6 21.Bxa6+ is no longer available); black may be holding on after 21.Qxa7 Nf3+ 22.Kd1 Rd2+ 23.Kc1. 20...Rde8 is certainly a much stronger move--I wish I had considered it! Feeling very rusty, here's a 2 5 game I played last night on the ICC. I missed some opportunities (so did my opponent) but it was a great game for me. I'm white: 1. d4 e6 2. c4 d5 3. Nc3 c5 4. dxc5 d4 5. Nb5 Bxc5 6. Nf3 Nc6 7. e3 e5 8.
exd4 exd4 9. Bd3 Nge7 10. O-O f6 11. Re1 O-O 12. Bf4 Bg4 13. h3 Bh5 14. g4
Bf7 15. Qc2 g6 16. a3 a6 17. Nc7 Rc8 18. Ne6 Bxe6 19. Rxe6 Qd7 20. Rae1 Rf7
21. Qe2 Re8 22. b4 Bb6 23. c5 Bc7 24. Bxc7 Qxc7 25. Bc4 Kf8 26. Rd6 Rg7 27.
Qe6 Nd8 28. Qxf6+ (Black resigns) 1-0
27.Rxf6+ is much easier, wouldn't you say? I went with the first strong and probable winning move I saw which is about all you can do in that time control. After playing 28.Qxf6+ quickly I wondered if 28.Rxd8 was better. The computer said "Yes it is". But then he resigned. :-) |
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| Dec-24-12 | | Tal7777777: I'm back......
<24. hd1> |
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| Dec-24-12 | | Tal7777777: Sorry, I mean
<24.ae1>
The numbering on that board up there messed me up... |
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Dec-24-12
 | | WinKing: Merry Christmas <morfishine> to you and yours! :) |
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Dec-24-12
 | | AylerKupp: <morfishine> I think that outside toilets also refer to what they have a lot of in the Midwest after tornado season and blown roofs. |
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Dec-24-12
| | Patriot: <morf> <I don't know if this is better since 28.Qxf6+ is crushing; but after 28.Rxd8 Qc6 29.Qxc6 bxc6 30.Rxe8+ Kxe8 31.Nxd4 Black is dead in the water> Nice line! That is certainly winning. I really wasn't sure what I was going to play after 28.Qxf6+ Nf7. And I'm not sure you noticed, but an earlier 9.Bf4 was warranted to take advantage of the 10.Nc7+ fork threat--especially in light of 9...a6. |
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Dec-24-12
 | | benjinathan: Merry Christmas <morf>, No Florida for us this year, but I know you will enjoy the weather for all of us. |
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Dec-24-12
 | | DcGentle: Merry Christmas to you and yours, <morfishine>! Let's win this game as soon as possible!
:-) |
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Dec-24-12
 | | Fusilli: Merry Christmas, <morf>! |
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Dec-24-12
 | | Golden Executive: Merry Christmas to you and your family <morfishine>! p.s. It is good to know your Green Bay Packers were not affected by that game vs the Seahawaks, now both of them are in the playoffs. The best of NFL is approaching. |
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Dec-25-12
 | | chesstoplay: Merry Christmas, <morf> and Peace to you and yours! |
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Dec-25-12
 | | Check It Out: Merry Christmas, <morfishine>! |
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Dec-25-12
| | sevenseaman: #79456 Up a gumtree!
It feels good to find a solution to a dicey problem.
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White.
1. Nd5 Qd8 2. Nc6 exd5 3. Nxd8
If the Q does not slink away;
1. Nd5 exd5 2. Nf5 g6 3. Nxe7+ Kh8 4. e6 fxe6 5. Bd4+ e5 6. Qxd7 Qxd7 7. Bxe5+ Rf6 8. Bxf6# If the Q tries to wriggle around;
1. Nd5 Qd8 2. Nc6 Qe8 3. Nc7 Qc8 4. Nxe7+ |
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Dec-25-12
| | sevenseaman: #89696 Face to face with chess destiny! (My post-Christmas cogitato)
click for larger viewWhite.
Thinking chess consists of (at least on CT) not to be tempted by the lollipop <1. cxb5> but to play a series of 'dares'; <1. Rg4+ Kf8> (Kh8 invites the N fork) <2. Nd7+> (unthought of, eh?) <Rxd7 3. Re8+> (again unthinkable if you have no inkling of the idea, to pull the K left, with a purpose) <3...Kxe8
4. Rg8# > (jingle bells! - in view of the blockheads Black R and P and that merry White P on d6). |
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Dec-26-12
| | Patriot: Hi <morf>! Yes, your line certainly works! Merry Christmas! |
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Dec-26-12
| | Patriot: Good morning <morf>! I had to comment on <Bengambit>'s line as well. He found an interesting line only because he was trying to find a combination that "works". We've all done that but it's exactly the point about trying to refute moves rather than prove they work. It also reminded me of something Dan calls "move dominance". I may be misquoting him--he explained it to me a few times. It's basically when one move is clearly better than another without analyzing. There's no need to examine 22...Kxh6 in detail if you see that white gets the initiative, whereas he doesn't after 22...gxh6. Some people find it mundane, but I think it's very interesting to sort of break down the mechanics behind calculation. Understanding the subtleties helps us make better decisions and focus on moves that count. You also looked at 24...Rf7 which I think is a reasonable defensive try since white already gave up a rook; otherwise it may be silly and simply lost. So it's interesting you found that defense as well, plus the follow-up starting with 25.Qg6+. |
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Dec-26-12
| | morfishine: Chess is Fun!
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White to move and win |
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Dec-26-12
| | Patriot: <morf> I agree with you about logic and imagination. I rely a little on both to find the first candidate. A good example is the problem some time ago where white plays 1.Rf6. I wasn't even sure what the move threatened at first but saw the consequence of taking it. Sometimes it's about putting a piece on what looks like a really bad square, trying to tempt the other player into taking it. Then I realized if it wasn't taken then 2.Rxh6 threatens mate next. It took a little bit of imagination because it's not at all common. And remember 20...Rxg2? That was a similar idea but it was more like a swindle. |
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