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|Dec-17-11|| ||playground player: <Jessicafischerqueen> When I clicked the link, Leonard Nimoy was nowhere to be found. Instead, it was John Denver and the Muppets singing "The 12 Days of Christmas." Did they gang-tackle Nimoy and shove him down the laundry chute? The poor guy: just because he can't sing...|
<Esteemed Colleagues> After this post, in deference to Christmas and the Prince of Peace, I am going to leave off fighting until after New Year's. So there will be nothing here but fellowship and good cheer. But first a final word on this here subject...
Just because "they're wrong" doesn't mean we can't love them. In fact, Christ commands us to love them. It's God's will that as many be saved as possible.
After all, "They're wrong" is only simple logic. The statements "A" and "Not-A" cannot both be right (although both can be wrong).
The Church has done great damage to itself by ignoring this principle and trying to accommodate itself to unbelievers. It does the unbelievers no good, and it erodes the Church's integrity.
"They're wrong" is a silent, internal warning to the Christian not to sell out.
There are people who are unbelievers of whom I'm personally very fond (they know who they are; and some of them have initials like JB). I don't browbeat them.
Yes, there are people whom I do browbeat. But only because they deserve it--and it's not personal.
And now, enough of this: Switching over to Christmas mode...
|Dec-17-11|| ||YouRang: <playground player><"They're wrong" is for me a string tied around my finger, so to speak. Believe it or not, I often feel a strong temptation to run with the crowd, swim with the current, say and write things that will have people nodding their heads and saying, "Well, he sure has gotten a lot smarter, lately."|
But I can't give in to that temptation, because... they're wrong.>
Well, evidently I did misunderstand you then. But even when I re-read your earlier post, I don't think I would ever have gathered that you were speaking of a personal device to keep youself from succumbing to the temptation to compromise.
Apparently, you feel that this device works well for you, and so you are recommending it to other Christians?
I would still say that I don't particularly like the idea that one should feel the need for such a device, but I'll leave that for another time. For now, I offer my apologies for misunderstanding you.
<jessicafischerqueen> <I didn't think he meant his previous post to be an expression of arrogance.>
I agree, and actually my post was not intended to accuse him of being arrogant, but rather adopting a stance that might be perceived as arrogant by those who disagree with him. Not everyone is as civil and willing to look past such things as yourself. :-)
Unbelievers often perceive Christians as hostile and arrogant, and unfortunately (IMO) it's often because Christians give them justifiable cause.
|Dec-17-11|| ||YouRang: <playground player><After all, "They're wrong" is only simple logic. The statements "A" and "Not-A" cannot both be right (although both can be wrong). >|
Not so sure about your simple logic there. :-)
Can you give an example of statement "A" such that "A" and "Not-A" are both wrong?
Anyway, I don't intend to disrupt your Christmas spirit. Have a blessed and merry Christmas season <playground player>. :-D
|Dec-17-11|| ||Deus Ex Alekhina: Any Christian who takes the attitude of "I'm right, you're wrong" to me is not at all condescending - in the same manner as a Doctor saying "it is wrong for you to smoke" - I know exactly where the Christian & the Doctor are coming from. But my attitude is exactly the same as the Christian! Namely, I think they are completely wrong and I am right! As for Berkowitz, I think he should have been fried a long time ago, but what happens when a murderer, especially one on death row, suddenly accepts Jesus, well, that should be no release from a death penalty.|
|Dec-17-11|| ||theodor: <<cormier> thanks, dear friend. beautiful clip.> hi friend, merry holidays to you and your relatives, so to Cormier's.|
|Dec-17-11|| ||OhioChessFan: <YouRang: Can you give an example of statement "A" such that "A" and "Not-A" are both wrong? >|
This sentence has eight words in it.
This sentence doesn't have eight words in it.
|Dec-17-11|| ||OhioChessFan: <DEA: Any Christian who takes the attitude of "I'm right, you're wrong" to me is not at all condescending - in the same manner as a Doctor saying "it is wrong for you to smoke" - I know exactly where the Christian & the Doctor are coming from. But my attitude is exactly the same as the Christian! Namely, I think they are completely wrong and I am right!>|
That's how it should be. We should always be all about truth. The intent is to persuade the other person that while they think they possess truth, in fact they do not. In the interest of the Holiday Peace Period, I won't mention that I think some people know they don't possess truth.
< As for Berkowitz, I think he should have been fried a long time ago, but what happens when a murderer, especially one on death row, suddenly accepts Jesus, well, that should be no release from a death penalty.>
I think it should have very little bearing, if any.
|Dec-17-11|| ||YouRang: <Deus Ex Alekhina: Any Christian who takes the attitude of "I'm right, you're wrong" to me is not at all condescending>|
In case you are responding to me, please note -- what I claimed was condescending is as follows:
<...someone who adopts the "I'm right, you're wrong, period!" stance, and yet expects others to be open-minded and willing to consider the possibility that they are wrong.>.
<OhioChessFan: <YouRang: Can you give an example of statement "A" such that "A" and "Not-A" are both wrong? >
This sentence has eight words in it.
This sentence doesn't have eight words in it.>
lol - Okay, you have there two examples of statements (A) where A is false and not-A is true. But keep trying ;-)
<In the interest of the Holiday Peace Period, I won't mention that I think some people know they don't possess truth.>
I'm glad you resisted the temptation to mention that.
|Dec-17-11|| ||Shams: <OCF> That is very clever. To Memorable Kibitzes it goes.|
|Dec-18-11|| ||cormier: http://www.usccb.org/bible/readings...|
|Dec-18-11|| ||cormier: Pope Asks Teachers to Understand Their Students
Dedicates Justice and Peace Message to Youth
VATICAN CITY, DEC. 16, 2011 Benedict XVI is highlighting the importance of young people in the quest for justice and peace, but he says the fundamental question that must be asked to educate them is "who is man?"
The Pope thus encouraged all types of educators -- from families to politicians to media professionals -- to understand the beings they are educating. He made this call in his message for the World Day of Justice and Peace, which will be marked Jan. 1. The message was released by the Vatican today.
"The first step in education is learning to recognize the Creator's image in man, and consequently learning to have a profound respect for every human being and helping others to live a life consonant with this supreme dignity," the Holy Father proposed.
He went on to explain the importance of taking into account "every single dimension" of the person, including the transcendent one.
The Pontiff's statement speaks of educating in freedom, and educating in justice, and finally of educating in peace.
"Freedom is a precious value, but a fragile one; it can be misunderstood and misused," he warned. He explained that authentic freedom is "not the absence of constraint or the supremacy of free will, it is not the absolutism of the self. When man believes himself to be absolute, to depend on nothing and no one, to be able to do anything he wants, he ends up contradicting the truth of his own being and forfeiting his freedom."
Benedict XVI's message pointed out again the errors of relativism, one of the main messages of his pontificate. This philosophy recognizes "nothing as definitive, leaves as the ultimate criterion only the self with its desires," he said, and thus "sooner or later, every person is in fact condemned to doubting the goodness of his or her own life and the relationships of which it consists, the validity of his or her commitment to build with others something in common."
Solidarity and love
Regarding justice, the Pope noted that it is not simply a human convention, "since what is just is ultimately determined not by positive law, but by the profound identity of the human being. It is the integral vision of man that saves us from falling into a contractual conception of justice and enables us to locate justice within the horizon of solidarity and love."
Then, he continued, taking up the theme of peace: "Peace for all is the fruit of justice for all, and no one can shirk this essential task of promoting justice, according to one’s particular areas of competence and responsibility. To the young, who have such a strong attachment to ideals, I extend a particular invitation to be patient and persevering in seeking justice and peace, in cultivating the taste for what is just and true, even when it involves sacrifice and swimming against the tide."
The Holy Father concluded with this appeal: "All you men and women throughout the world, who take to heart the cause of peace: peace is not a blessing already attained, but rather a goal to which each and all of us must aspire. Let us look with greater hope to the future; let us encourage one another on our journey; let us work together to give our world a more humane and fraternal face; and let us feel a common responsibility towards present and future generations, especially in the task of training them to be people of peace and builders of peace.
"With these thoughts I offer my reflections and I appeal to everyone: let us pool our spiritual, moral and material resources for the great goal of 'educating young people in justice and peace.'"
|Dec-18-11|| ||playground player: <Esteemed Colleagues> I'm glad we've all got the spirit of the truce here, and nobody is trying to be the least bit contentious.|
Would you believe there are two or three business organizations out there with the name, "Last Chance Dating Service"? I dunno, it doesn't seem like something most people would want to sign up for.
<DEA> I'm pleased you understand what I was saying.
I can't seem to find my camouflage jacket.
|Dec-18-11|| ||OhioChessFan: I found an appropriate ad jingle:
|Dec-18-11|| ||playground player: How about "Davy Jones Cruises"?|
|Dec-19-11|| ||OhioChessFan: <pp: I can't seem to find my camouflage jacket.>|
I found it. http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1243...
|Dec-19-11|| ||playground player: <Ohio Chess Fan> Nice work on the camo jacket... but now I'm trying to identify the culprit.|
At first glance, <Coelophysis>--but then I noticed the sickle-claws, and thought <Troodon>. I know, us creationists ain't s'posed to know about dinosaurs: but all of God's works fascinate us.
|Dec-19-11|| ||cormier: http://www.usccb.org/bible/readings...|
|Dec-19-11|| ||LIFE Master AJ: << Dec-19-11 playground player: <LMAJ> A Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, AJ, to you and your kids. Haven't heard from you in a while, so I hope things are going well. <<<>>> >> |
Thanks. I pray you have a wonderful, safe, and blessed Christmas. My sincere wish for a prosperous New Year as well.
|Dec-19-11|| ||Deus Ex Alekhina: This time of year, I normally offer the generic, non-specific greeting "Happy Holidays" However, especially because I seldom mention <cormier> directly, I feel it is OK to say to him, and everyone else, Joyeaux Noel!|
|Dec-19-11|| ||cormier: <DEA> Two Traveling Angels....... this one will make you think twice.
Keep reading to the bottom of the page -- don't stop at the feet (You'll see). |
Two traveling angels stopped to spend the night in the home of a wealthy family.
The family was rude and refused to let the angels stay in the mansion's guest room.
Instead the angels were given a small space in the cold basement.
As they made their bed on the hard floor, the older angel saw a hole in the wall and repaired it..
When the younger angel asked why, the older angel replied,
"Things aren't always what they seem"
The next night the pair came to rest at the house of a very poor, but very hospitable farmer and his wife.
After sharing what little food they had, the couple let the angels sleep in their bed where they could have a good night's rest.
When the sun came up the next morning, the angels found the farmer and his wife in tears.
Their only cow, whose milk had been their sole income, lay dead in the field.
The younger angel was infuriated and asked the older angel how could you have let this happen?
The first man had everything, yet you helped him, she accused.
The second family had little but was willing to share everything, and you let the cow die..
"Things aren't always what they seem," the older angel replied.
"When we stayed in the basement of the mansion, I noticed there was gold stored in that hole in the wall.
Since the owner was so obsessed with greed, and unwilling to share his good fortune, I sealed the wall so he wouldn't find it."
"Then last night, as we slept in the farmers bed, the angel of death came for his wife. I gave him the cow instead.
“Things aren't always what they seem."
Sometimes that is exactly what happens when things don't turn out the way they should. If you have faith, you just need to trust that every outcome is always to your advantage. You just might not know it until sometime later...
Some people ( )
come into our lives ) /
and quickly go.. (_ /
( ) Some people
\ ( become friends
\_ ) and stay awhile...
leaving beautiful Oooo
footprints on our ( )
hearts... ) /
( ) and we are
\ ( never
\_ ) quite the same
because we have
made a good
Yesterday is history.
Tomorrow a mystery.
Today is a gift.
That's why it's called the present!
|Dec-19-11|| ||cormier: (follow...)I think this is special...live and savor every moment... This is not a dress rehearsal! |
( \__ / )
( \()/ )
( / \ ) TAKE THIS LITTLE ANGEL ( / \/ \ ) AND KEEP HER CLOSE TO YOU / \ SHE IS YOUR GUARDIAN ANGEL ( ) SENT TO WATCH OVER YOU
THIS IS A SPECIAL GUARDIAN ANGEL.
IF YOU HAVE PASSED HER ON, SHE WILL WATCH OVER YOU FOREVER.
Now don't delete this message, because it comes from a very special angel.
Right Now -
-somebody is thinking of you.
-somebody is caring about you.
-somebody misses you
-somebody wants to talk to you.
-somebody wants to be with you.
-somebody hopes you aren't in trouble.
-somebody is thankful for the support you have provided. -somebody wants to hold your hand.
-somebody hopes everything turns out all right. -somebody wants you to be happy.
-somebody wants you to find him/her.
-somebody is celebrating your successes.
-somebody wants to give you a gift.
-somebody thinks that you ARE a gift.
-somebody loves you.
-somebody admires your strength.
-somebody is thinking of you and smiling.
-somebody wants to be your shoulder to cry on.
SOMEBODY NEEDS YOU TO SEND THIS TO THEM
Never take away anyone's hope. That may be all they have.
"People will forget what you said,
People will forget what you did,
but people will never forget
how you made them feel!"
"Friendship isn't about who you have known the longest It's about those who came and never left your side."
|Dec-19-11|| ||YouRang: <I feel it is OK to say to him, and everyone else, Joyeaux Noel!>|
I must admit, there is something artistic about how things are said in French. :-)
|Dec-20-11|| ||cormier: it's twice as hard to grasp french to an english man ... althou it's possible .... <even after 50 years of english learning & studying i,m at most 75% at my best and all of you guys are like 99% to me> ..... \\ // /, tks G|
|Dec-20-11|| ||cormier: <<<<<<<Is> 7:10-14> The LORD spoke to Ahaz: Ask for a sign from the LORD, your God;
let it be deep as the nether world, or high as the sky!> But Ahaz answered,
"I will not ask! I will not tempt the LORD!"> Then Isaiah said:
Listen, O house of David!>
Is it not enough for you to weary men,
must you also weary my God?>
Therefore the Lord himself will give you this sign:
the virgin shall conceive and bear a son,
and shall name him Emmanuel.>
|Dec-20-11|| ||playground player: <cormier> Very nice typography! You are a keyboard artist. I say along with <DEA> and <You Rang>, "Joyeux Noel!" I don't know which of us, if any, has spelled it right.|
<Esteemed Colleagues> I have listened to my interview on Kevin Swanson's show. It has answered a question I have: "How do I get to be a great radio entertainer?" And the answer is, "You don't."
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