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|Jul-06-12|| ||The Big Lebowski: <playground player> Thanks for the kind words and inspiration!|
|Jul-06-12|| ||cormier: < Mt 28:19 < Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, < 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very <<end of the age.>” <7 ages; <from 1)Adam -> Noa, <from 2) Noa -> Abraham, <from 3)
Abraham -> David, <from 4) David -> the Exil, <from 5) the Exil -> Christ, <from 6)Christ -> to His glorious return.>>>>>>>>> < Ac 1:7 He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. Inserting his salvation plan in human history, God has dispose it from all eternity <(Rm 16:25+; 1 Co 2:7; Ep 1:4; 3:9; Col 1:26; Tm 1:9; cf. Mt 25:24) << the time and moments >>, cf. Dn 2:21; 1 Th 5:1 : << 1) coming first the time of preparation, He 1:2; 9:9; 1 P 1:11, and of patience, Rm 3:26; Ac 17:30; <followed by 2)<< the fullness of times >>, Ga 4:4+ the moment chosen for the coming of Christ, inaugurating the era of salvation, Rm 3:26+, <then 3) the time untill the Parousa, 2 Co 6:2+; <and finally 4), precede by << the lasts days >>, 1 Tm 4:1+, the escatologic << Day >>, 1 Co 1:8+, and the last Judjement, Rm 2:6+.>>>>>>> <my translation>|
|Jul-06-12|| ||cormier: 1 hr ... approx...|
|Jul-07-12|| ||cormier: <<<<<<<<Gospel Mt 9:14-17> The disciples of John approached Jesus and said,
"Why do we and the Pharisees fast much,
but your disciples do not fast?">
Jesus answered them, "Can the wedding guests mourn
as long as the bridegroom is with them?>
The days will come when the bridegroom is taken away from them,
and then they will fast.>
No one patches an old cloak with a piece of unshrunken cloth,
for its fullness pulls away from the cloak and the tear gets worse.>
People do not put new wine into old wineskins.>
Otherwise the skins burst, the wine spills out, and the skins are ruined.>
Rather, they pour new wine into fresh wineskins, and both are preserved.">
|Jul-07-12|| ||playground player: <YouRang> You've done a pretty convincing job of identifying the 7 kingdoms. In fact, I'm beginning to feel like one of those stooges in Plato's Dialogues whose only function is to say, "Gosh, Socrates, you're right again!" But mind you, I don't know if you're right or not: all I can say is that your argument is reasonable.|
Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome... and then?
It seems, after two world wars and a cold war, that people have given up on the idea of conquering the world by military force. Instead, those who wish to rule the world have adopted such methods as lies, seduction, and subversion. If they play their cards right, we won't realize what they've done to us until we wake up in Revelation Chapt. 17.
But before we can pursue that, we have one more Revelation symbol to deal with--the Woman, drunk on the blood of saints and martyrs, who sits atop 7 mountains. What or whom does she represent?
I know it is fashionable in some quarters to brand the Catholic Church with this ID, but I don't follow that fashion. The Catholic Church is just another Christian church that's getting hammered on the outside and corrupted on the inside, these days.
|Jul-07-12|| ||YouRang: <playground player>< <YouRang> You've done a pretty convincing job of identifying the 7 kingdoms. In fact, I'm beginning to feel like one of those stooges in Plato's Dialogues whose only function is to say, "Gosh, Socrates, you're right again!">|
<But mind you, I don't know if you're right or not: all I can say is that your argument is reasonable.>
Good -- because I can't say if I'm right or not either, and "reasonable" is all I'm really aiming for.
<Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome... and then?>
Yes, there's that 7th kingdom -- who could that be? Again, let's resist the temptation to guess, and see what the scripture says.
Rev 17:10 [referring to the seven heads, which represent kingdoms and kings] <they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while.>
Clearly, the 7th kingdom is described as "the other" which "has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while."
I would say then, that the 7th kingdom must satisfy these three requirements:
(1) In order to be counted among this group of kingdoms, it must (like the others) at some point dominate and persecute Israel.
(2) According to Rev 17:10, this kingdom must be in the future *relative to John*. In fact, it must be some kingdom that comes (at some point) after the 6th kingdom (Rome), i.e. 480 AD or later.
(3) This kingdom must remain a "only little while". This is unspecific, but I think it must be safe to say that the 7th kingdom must be short in comparison to the previous six.
In reviewing these requirements, I would say that there has been exactly one such kingdom: Hitler's Nazi Germany.
I'm not sure why, but I'm imagining that you're rolling your eyes. I was reluctant to consider this at first myself, but the more I thought about it, the more it made sense to me. Does it not fit the above requirements perfectly?
(1) If God is putting together a list of Satanically inspired kingdoms that have or will dominate and persecute Israel, how could he NOT include the Nazi Holocaust? Incredibly, they succeeded in murdering a full one third of the entire world's Jewish population (estimated to be 18 million prior to WWII). My reading of the accounts of the Holocaust leaves me with no doubt that this was a Satanically inspired kingdom if there ever was one.
(2) Nazi Germany certainly satisfies the timing of being after John's day and after Rome.
(3) The "king", Adolph Hitler, certainly reigned for a short time in comparison to the other kingdoms (only about 12 years, 1933 - 1945). Yet in just this short time (really just part of it) he targeted and persecuted the nation Israel to a degree completely unrivaled by the previous kingdoms.
Furthermore, I believe that Hitler's kingdom was a major event from the standpoint of Biblical prophecy. In addition to satisfying the requirements for the 7th kingdom, it resulted in a rare situation: Worldwide sympathy for Israel. And out of this came the astounding (and of course controversial) move to restore Israel to their homeland in 1948.
This of course, paves the way for a literal fulfillment of Biblical end times prophecy, which speaks of Israel being in their land.
As you know, worldwide sympathy for Israel has eroded since then. In fact, there are many people who say (or think) that Israel's presence in the Middle East is the main roadblock to world peace. This view is probably more prominent in Europe than it is in the U.S.
The end times prophecy speak of nations gathering against Israel. Does that seem far fetched to you?
|Jul-07-12|| ||YouRang: <playground player><It seems, after two world wars and a cold war, that people have given up on the idea of conquering the world by military force. Instead, those who wish to rule the world have adopted such methods as lies, seduction, and subversion. If they play their cards right, we won't realize what they've done to us until we wake up in Revelation Chapt. 17.>|
Yes, and Revelation speaks of the final kingdom (the eighth, re: Rev 17:11) being characterized by deception and delusion. But military force isn't quite out of vogue yet.
<But before we can pursue that, we have one more Revelation symbol to deal with--the Woman, drunk on the blood of saints and martyrs, who sits atop 7 mountains. What or whom does she represent?>
A good topic. Let's discuss it another day though.
|Jul-07-12|| ||cormier: The religious affiliation of the Israeli population[vague] as of 2011 was 75.4% Jewish, 16.9% Muslim, 2.1% Christian, and 1.7% Druze, with the remaining 4.0% not classified by religion.|
|Jul-07-12|| ||Deus Ex Alekhina: <YouRang> Does the bible accurately describe the origin and early history of the earth and universe? If the bible is inaccurate or clueless about the origin, then doen't it logically follow that the "prophecies" are meaningless also? The "firmament"? Adam supposedly named all the animals, so he supposedly knew and named all the dinosaurs, are they even mentioned in the bible? The leviathan, the behemoth, the dragon, the unicorn, the cockatice (basilisk), etc. are mentioned but these are either real animals such as the hippo, the rhino, the crocodile, etc. or a representation of Satan (dragon). Of four different bible dictionaries that I consulted, none of these are dinosaurs - which were highly numerous and prevalent until their demise. Does the bible even mention this mass extinction event anywhere? (The flood doesn't count because the ark was designed specifically to prevent extinction). Does the bible describe plate tectonics, continental drift, the billions of galaxies? The Himalayas were probably formed by two continents colliding - the evidence is there, but the bible doesn't know any of this. What about ice ages? Fiction? False evidence planted by Satan? I've heard this from some Christians. C'mon, man - let's get real.|
|Jul-07-12|| ||YouRang: <Deus Ex Alekhina: <YouRang> Does the bible accurately describe the origin and early history of the earth and universe?>|
You're touching on a topic here for which there is quite some disagreement among Christians. But my own view is that there doesn't need to be a conflict between Christianity and the prevailing views of science, if the Bible is understood correctly.
To answer your question, I think that in some sense, the Bible gives an accurate (possibly allegorical) summary of the early universe. But I don't think the strict literal interpretation (i.e. the earth is 6000 years old, etc.) is correct. Many Christians still do.
I lean more toward the interpretaion proposed by Jewish physicist Gerald Schroeder. (I can give you a link to a summary of his views if you like.)
<If the bible is inaccurate or clueless about the origin, then doen't it logically follow that the "prophecies" are meaningless also?>
Well, it's a moot question IMO, because I don't regard the Bible as inaccurate or clueless. *Interpretations* of the Bible are often inaccurate or clueless.
<The "firmament"? Adam supposedly named all the animals, so he supposedly knew and named all the dinosaurs, are they even mentioned in the bible? The leviathan, the behemoth, the dragon, the unicorn, the cockatice (basilisk), etc. are mentioned but these are either real animals such as the hippo, the rhino, the crocodile, etc. or a representation of Satan (dragon). Of four different bible dictionaries that I consulted, none of these are dinosaurs - which were highly numerous and prevalent until their demise. Does the bible even mention this mass extinction event anywhere? (The flood doesn't count because the ark was designed specifically to prevent extinction). Does the bible describe plate tectonics, continental drift, the billions of galaxies? The Himalayas were probably formed by two continents colliding - the evidence is there, but the bible doesn't know any of this. What about ice ages? Fiction? False evidence planted by Satan? I've heard this from some Christians. C'mon, man - let's get real.>
In my view, the Bible doesn't contradict any of the scientific matters you mentioned.
I don't think the Bible was ever intended to be a science book, so anything it does say regarding matters of science are somewhat informal and sparse. For example, it speaks of the sun rising and setting. Does this contradict the heliocentric model of the solar system? I think it is just speaking using a perspective that humans can relate to.
Perhaps the most interesting scientific detail in Genesis is that man is made out of the same stuff as the earth. I would think that is a accurate and insightful detail that is hardly intuitive.
But again, I've already debated along these lines with other Christians on this site. If you are *really* interested, you can check out <OhioChessFan>'s forum, starting around page 95, i.e. OhioChessFan chessforum
|Jul-07-12|| ||cormier: <<<<<<DEA>> one has to stay actual, today, to appreaciate eternity>, his presence> ..... tks G> ps. when speaking about time!>|
|Jul-08-12|| ||cormier: <<<<<<<Fourteenth Sunday in Ordinary Time
Reading 1> Ez 2:2-5> As the LORD spoke to me, the spirit entered into me
and set me on my feet,
and I heard the one who was speaking say to me:
Son of man, I am sending you to the Israelites,
rebels who have rebelled against me;
they and their ancestors have revolted against me to this very day.>
Hard of face and obstinate of heart
are they to whom I am sending you.>
But you shall say to them: Thus says the Lord GOD!>
And whether they heed or resist--for they are a rebellious house--
they shall know that a prophet has been among them.>
|Jul-08-12|| ||cormier: <<<<<<<Ps 123:1-2, 2, 3-4> To you I lift up my eyes
who are enthroned in heaven -->
As the eyes of servants
are on the hands of their masters.>
As the eyes of a maid
are on the hands of her mistress,
So are our eyes on the LORD, our God,
till he have pity on us.>
Have pity on us, O LORD, have pity on us,
for we are more than sated with contempt;
our souls are more than sated
with the mockery of the arrogant,
with the contempt of the proud.>
2cd)> Our eyes are fixed on the Lord, pleading for his mercy.>
|Jul-08-12|| ||playground player: <YouRang> I am distracted. The other night, two doors down from us, a young woman tried to beat her grandmother to death. The police had to come and cart them away. This was not the first time their intervention was required at that address.|
<Mrs. PGP> and I have just had a long talk with the grandmother, who gave us a detailed description of what she suffered--hardly necessary, since she carried the evidence of it on her body, from head to toe. I won't repeat it here: one horrified and nauseated person on this page (me) is enough.
Much of my job consists of tracking the rapid demise of Western civilization. The putrefaction has reached literally to my own doorstep.
I would have no objection to being raptured right here and now.
|Jul-08-12|| ||YouRang: <playground player> I can certainly understand you feeling distracted. Still reeling from the loss of your friend, and now this.|
Of course, elder abuse is a serious and (from what I read) growing problem. And yet, one can look at statistics and not sense the true horror of it -- until you see it up close and personal.
|Jul-08-12|| ||cormier: <<<<<<Reading 2> 2 Cor 12:7-10> Brothers and sisters:
That I, Paul, might not become too elated,
because of the abundance of the revelations,
a thorn in the flesh was given to me, an angel of Satan,
to beat me, to keep me from being too elated.>
Three times I begged the Lord about this, that it might leave me,
but he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you,
for power is made perfect in weakness.">
I will rather boast most gladly of my weaknesses,
in order that the power of Christ may dwell with me.>
Therefore, I am content with weaknesses, insults,
hardships, persecutions, and constraints,
for the sake of Christ;
for when I am weak, then I am strong.>
|Jul-08-12|| ||cormier: <<<<<<<<<<<<Gospel> Mk 6:1-6> Jesus departed from there and came to his native place, accompanied by his disciples.> When the sabbath came he began to teach in the synagogue, and many who heard him were astonished.>
They said, "Where did this man get all this?> What kind of wisdom has been given him?>
What mighty deeds are wrought by his hands!> Is he not the carpenter, the son of Mary,
and the brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon?.> And are not his sisters here with us?">
And they took offense at him.>
Jesus said to them,
"A prophet is not without honor except in his native place and among his own kin and in his own house."> So he was not able to perform any mighty deed there,
apart from curing a few sick people by laying his hands on them. He was amazed at their lack of faith.>
|Jul-08-12|| ||playground player: I don't believe this. We're just about to go to bed and suddenly the neighborhood is full of fire trucks and police cars. More later, if I'm still around to tell it.|
|Jul-09-12|| ||achieve: My sympathies to you and your neighbour, pgp, and I would have gone berserk if I'd get my hands on the sadistic sick coward.|
How are you/things now, after the police invasion?
Similarly the abuse in mental institutions and for the severe disabled drives you up the wall and over it. Many of the now younger generation will have grown up surrounded not only with a lack of moral and ethical values, but the internet porn and gaming industry induce and promote degradation violence and torture.
Sad and drives me mad beyond words.
|Jul-09-12|| ||cormier: <<<<<<<<<<<<<Gospel> Mt 9:18-26> While Jesus was speaking, an official came forward,
knelt down before him, and said,
"My daughter has just died.>
But come, lay your hand on her, and she will live.">
Jesus rose and followed him, and so did his disciples.>
A woman suffering hemorrhages for twelve years came up behind him
and touched the tassel on his cloak.>
She said to herself, "If only I can touch his cloak, I shall be cured.">
Jesus turned around and saw her, and said,
"Courage, daughter! Your faith has saved you.">
And from that hour the woman was cured.>
When Jesus arrived at the official's house
And they ridiculed him.>
and saw the flute players and the crowd who were making a commotion,
he said, "Go away! The girl is not dead but sleeping.">
When the crowd was put out, he came and took her by the hand,
and the little girl arose.>
And news of this spread throughout all that land.>
|Jul-09-12|| ||YouRang: <playground player: I don't believe this. We're just about to go to bed and suddenly the neighborhood is full of fire trucks and police cars. More later, if I'm still around to tell it.>|
My sympathies also. It's been quite an incredible week in your neighborhood.
|Jul-09-12|| ||playground player: <Esteemed Colleagues> I haven't yet found out what all the fire trucks and police cars were doing in my neighborhood last night, but at least nothing blew up.|
As for the attempted murder, that episode is the result of at least 4 generations of fatherless chaos, with each generation a bit more depraved than the preceding one. These women have children by men who are here today and gone tomorrow. But of course a lot of the smartest people in the world say we don't need traditional families, fathers are unnecessary, and the only sacred thing in this world is unrestricted fornication. And they manage to translate their insane ideas into public policy. Better living through wickedness!
Meanwhile, all I could do was fix the beaten woman's glasses. They were a mess, but I put them right (I've had tons of practice). Glasses I can fix. Generations of brownian motion in lieu of an ordered family structure, I can't fix. I suspect these people's bus went off the right road years before I was born.
Well, if we could fix these things ourselves, and make ourselves good, Jesus wouldn't have had to come into this fallen world, would He?
|Jul-09-12|| ||Deus Ex Alekhina: Are things really getting worse, or do we just have short memories? Our esteemed columnist mentioned something a few weeks ago about a homosexual cannibal who cut up his lover and sent some pieces through the mail. Where could he have gotten that idea? Perhaps from the OT, where someone's concubine was raped to death and then her paramour cut the body up and sent it to the 12 tribes. In the 1950's the headlines screamed "Teenage Crime Wave!" , "Juvenile Delinquency!", etc. The US congress felt compelled to hold hearings on comic books and rock & roll music because of that.|
|Jul-09-12|| ||YouRang: <Deus Ex Alekhina: Are things really getting worse, or do we just have short memories? >|
I wouldn't say that things have necessarily gotten worse. In many respects people are far more civil today that they were in centuries past.
The OT account (from Judges) you've referenced is extremely brutal.
FWIW, there isn't much in Judges that is presented as acceptable behavior to God. In fact, the book of Judges concerns the time after Joshua died, and it is conveniently summarized in chapter 2:
<8 Joshua son of Nun, the servant of the Lord, died at the age of a hundred and ten. 9 And they buried him in the land of his inheritance, at Timnath Heres in the hill country of Ephraim, north of Mount Gaash.
10 After that whole generation had been gathered to their ancestors, another generation grew up who knew neither the Lord nor what he had done for Israel.
11 Then the Israelites did evil in the eyes of the Lord and served the Baals. 12 They forsook the Lord, the God of their ancestors, who had brought them out of Egypt. They followed and worshiped various gods of the peoples around them. They aroused the Lord’s anger 13 because they forsook him and served Baal and the Ashtoreths.
14 In his anger against Israel the Lord gave them into the hands of raiders who plundered them. He sold them into the hands of their enemies all around, whom they were no longer able to resist. 15 Whenever Israel went out to fight, the hand of the Lord was against them to defeat them, just as he had sworn to them. They were in great distress.
16 Then the Lord raised up judges, who saved them out of the hands of these raiders. 17 Yet they would not listen to their judges but prostituted themselves to other gods and worshiped them. They quickly turned from the ways of their ancestors, who had been obedient to the Lord’s commands.
18 Whenever the Lord raised up a judge for them, he was with the judge and saved them out of the hands of their enemies as long as the judge lived; for the Lord relented because of their groaning under those who oppressed and afflicted them. 19 But when the judge died, the people returned to ways even more corrupt than those of their ancestors, following other gods and serving and worshiping them. They refused to give up their evil practices and stubborn ways.>
|Jul-09-12|| ||cormier: <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Cardinal Piacenza: Educational Crisis is Among the Priorities of Our Time>|
Prefect of the Congregation for the Clergy Delivers Address on Educating Formators
By Junno Arocho
ROME, JULY 6, 2012 (Zenit.org).> - On Tuesday, Cardinal Mauro Piacenza, Prefect of the Congregation for the Clergy delivered a seminar on the formation of priests at the Pontifical Athenaeum "Regina Apostolorum" in Rome. Speaking on the theme of "Educating Formators in a Time of Educational Crisis", the cardinal spoke on the the relationship between "human formation and faith" and "human formation and the educational crisis".>
The cardinal reflected on the crisis of human formation in the world today, saying that even the Magisterium of the Church has said that the educational crisis "is among the priorities of our time".>
"Obviously, the deficit in human formation does not regard only ecclesial realities: indeed, to be honest, compared with our situation, the crisis is much more entrenched and widespread in civil society, and its effects, visible to all, have and will continue to have grave anthropological, social, and finally, theological, consequences of great significance," he said.>
Stating idealism, rationalism, and relativism as the beginnings of this crisis, the Italian prelate said that from such ideologies "derives the explosive hedonism, narcissism, pansexualism, in which the people of our time immerse themselves and from which it is necessary to help them free themselves with every means at our disposal.">
After explaining the current human formation crisis, Cardinal Piacenza reinforced the Church’s mission in aiding mankind in his search for the answer to the meaning of life.>
"The Church’s educational mission itself must continually be reinvigorated, reinforced and restarted from this authentic passion for man, a passion that, as the etymology of the term 'passio' indicates, is first of all the shared participation in the same condition of "asking about meaning," he said.>
To answer this reality of man, Cardinal Piacenza pointed to Pope Benedict XVI’s encyclical, "Deus Caritas Est", where the Holy Father explains that the being of a Christian is defined as "the encounter with an event, a person.">
"It is therefore possible to affirm that the answer to what man is, an answer that is not inside him, can be encountered, it has come to meet us, it has revealed itself in what is closest to man: man himself," he said.>
"Such an encounter between humanity, as a question, and the Event of Christ, as an answer, constitutes the possibility of every authentic formation.">
Addressing the formation of priests and seminarians, Cardinal Piacenza said that the current wave of relativism can be kept away from seminary life if the norms regarding sexual morality the relationship with truth are respected. Such barriers, he said would "reduce the possible numbers of potential free riders.">
Cardinal Piacenza warned that although some priests have entered the seminary as free riders and leave as such, things such as i use of the internet in an imprudent manner can be devastating to one’s formation. "An improper use of the internet creates free rider priests!" he exclaimed.>
"The internet’s crucial role is often studied – also in respect to the reform of canonical discipline having to do with the abuse of minors – for the dangers to which it exposes seminarians, and priests too, especially those who are the most isolated, because of the massive spread of pornography," he said.>
The cardinal concluded his address stating that seminary formation and permanent formation must be a continuum where the gap between the two is bridged by the Magisterium of the Church. "No educator, in that sense, can arbitrarily presume to be above the Magisterium, grasping first, better and more than it the real exigencies of the Church of Christ," he said.>
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