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|Mar-22-16|| ||suenteus po 147: <offramp> I'm hoping to make it stick this time. My life the last four years has been tumultuous. I think I'm getting to a good place where things are solid and almost routine. That makes visiting places like this fun again and not a chore :)|
<Annie K.> Thank you!
<luftforlife> I think short of contacting GM Suba directly, that gamescore is lost forever. And that presumes he kept his copy. Maybe he could only recall the first 16 moves which is why that's all that's left online. Who knows? I appreciate your kind words.
|Mar-23-16|| ||luftforlife: <suenteus po 147>: I have a lead for you. Please accept my apologies in advance if I'm repastinating fallow ground.|
I downloaded the tournament PGN from Olimpbase for Dubai '86. As one might expect, GM's Georgiev and Suba met just once, in the thirteenth round.
Gerardus C. "Ger" van Perlo examines the endgame of what may well be the game we're discussing in his Endgame Tactics: A Comprehensive Guide to the Sunny Side of Chess Endgames (Alkmaar, The Netherlands: New In Chess, 2014 ed., tr. Peter Boel) at 207.
Here's a link to a preview of the page:
This endgame does not match any game between Kiril Georgiev and Mihai Suba found here. (It may match a game found on another database, but I've yet to find such a game.) I believe it plausibly derives from the opening and early midgame moves known to exist for the game in question.
Perhaps Ger van Perlo or his editors may have the complete score, if in fact the endgame he analyzes is from the game for which the first sixteen moves are known. Just a thought. Kind regards.
|Mar-23-16|| ||suenteus po 147: <luftforlife> Your lead is new to me. I do recall coming across an endgame with some moves, but not from the source you provided. I'll dig around this week and see if I can find that source for comparison to yours.|
|Mar-23-16|| ||luftforlife: <suenteus po 147>: Hope the lead pans out. Quick addendum: after correspondence GM Ger van Perlo passed away in 2010, New In Chess in 2013 found some of his previously unpublished materials and incorporated them in its "new, improved, and expanded" 2014 edition of his tactical classic. Accordingly, this endgame may have emerged only recently.|
|Mar-30-16|| ||luftforlife: <suenteus po 147>: Quick update: Interchess B.V./New In Chess does not have the complete score for Georgiev-Suba Dubai 1986, but the managing editor kindly forwarded my enquiry to someone who may have it. Stay tuned.|
|Apr-02-16|| ||suenteus po 147: <luftforlife> That's exciting! It's nice to know there are still plenty of people out there willing to be helpful and generous to curious and inquiring souls :)|
|Apr-04-16|| ||luftforlife: <suenteus po 147>: Yes, I was quite encouraged. I may not hear back for some time, but we'll see. You'll be the first to know if I do. Keeping my fingers crossed. I would be overjoyed to share the entire score with you after almost thirty years' of its obscurity. No one deserves it more than you do. :)|
|Apr-04-16|| ||luftforlife: Found stuck to the insides of a small cardboard box once owned by the late Frederick William Rueckheim was the following roadmap to success, entitled "How To Run a Chess Club":|
"The Evans Chess Club was organized on March 17, 1892, and possibly the choice of that fatal day has much to do with the fact that its achievements have never become known to fame, for its members, as a rule, commit too many 'bulls' in actual play. There were but six charter members — C. W. Evans, after whom the club was not named; G. W. Stewart, W. H. Pashley, E. A. Xash, A. G. Tartas and L. Hirsh. The total membership never passed beyond thirteen, and, having reached that fatal number, genially dropped back to eleven, its present state.
"Another peculiarity of the club is the constant desire to withhold all temptation from its treasurer, for as soon as the treasury contains a certain amount, not necessarily large, a motion to spend it in an outing is always in order, and unanimously carried. The club has no running expenses of any kind, the entertainments being furnished by each member in turn. As after actual experiment it was found that meeting in hired rooms was not congenial, the growth of the club is naturally limited to the room at the respective members' houses."
(page 89, cleanly excised from American Chess Magazine, Vol. II, No. 2, August 1898, and found neatly folded inside a caramel-covered cellophane wrapper)
|Apr-06-16|| ||suenteus po 147: <lustforlife: "How To Run a Chess Club"> That's a fantastic story! Thank you for sharing it. It's material like this that makes me wonder why there aren't more chess novels and stories.|
<No one deserves it more than you do. :)> I don't know that is true, but I greatly appreciate the sentiment all the same.
|Apr-06-16|| ||luftforlife: <suenteus po 147>: Just in case my feeble attempt at tongue-in-cheek humor fell flat: though the quotations are accurate, the rest I concocted by way of writing that the Evans Club was run according to a set of by-laws and practices one might find as the prize in a box of Cracker-Jack. ;-) |
Truth-stranger-than-fiction room, irony desk: Evans Club founded on St. Patrick's Day; players complete strangers to fame; Evans was charter member yet not eponymous founder; membership dropped from thirteen to a genial eleven; treasury always bone-dry because members always wet; no clubhouse; whole enterprise basically a thinly veiled cover for revelry. Caddyschach!
One of my late professors from my undergraduate days, a master of literary dissection, obsessively pathologized the movement of Robert Cohn's "review of the Arts" from Carmel, California to Provincetown, Massachusetts in The Sun Also Rises as "a perversion of the natural order." That description suits the Evans Club too.
In your own piece -- a masterpiece -- were you intending "epithet" and "a1-g8"? No criticism intended or implied. Kindest regards.
|Apr-08-16|| ||suenteus po 147: <luftforlife> I was fooled! Now I know how other users feel when they read my Tartakower entries as fact and not fiction :)|
<were you intending "epithet"> Yes, darn it. The composition process is so exhausting for me. I don't spend enough time editing and mistakes like that always manage to slip through.
<were you intending..."a1-g8"> Nope. There is no a1-g8 diagonal :)
|Apr-08-16|| ||luftforlife: <suenteus po 147>: Thanks for your kind reply. I tried some humor-by-indirection there; glad you enjoyed my submission. When I read the piece in the magazine, I laughed out loud at the pretextual ineptitude and lovable lugs of the Evans Club.|
About the diagonal: yes, obviously, there is an a1-h8 diagonal, and there is an a2-g8 diagonal as well, but none as I described. Duh! Sometimes my eyes play tricks on me. I know the diagonals in play, but when I'm reading, and my eyes grow tired, and I'm not at the board, it's another matter. Thanks for being forgiving!
|Apr-09-16|| ||luftforlife: <suenteus po 147>: The following game stems from the Moscow International 1937. As you have a game collection for the Moscow International 1936, and you're working on the USSR Championship 1937 -- which followed pretty closely on the heels of the tournament at which this game was played -- I thought this might provide some inspiration in these early spring days. I've submitted this as a PGN upload, and it remains in the queue; whether it will become part of the database I cannot say. Here it is:|
[White "Kan, I."]
[Black "Fine, R."]
1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 c5 3. Bg2 Nc6 4. d4 Bf5 5. O-O e6 6. c3 Nf6 7. Nbd2 h6 8. a3 a5 9. Qb3 Qc7 10. dxc5 Bxc5 11. Qb5 Ba7 12. c4 Rd8 13. c5 e5 14. b4 Bd7 15. bxa5 e4 16. Ne1 Nxa5 17. Qb1 Bxc5 18. Nb3 Nxb3 19. Qxb3 Bc6 20. Nc2 O-O 21. Bb2 d4 22. Nb4 Bb5 23. Rfe1 Qb6 24. Bf1 d3 25. e3 Rfe8 26. Rab1 Qe6 27. Qxe6 Rxe6 28. Bxf6 Rxf6 29. Nd5 Rxd5 30. Rxb5 Bxe3 31. Rxd5 Bxf2+ 32. Kg2 Bxe1 33. Rd4 Rf2+ 34. Kg1 d2 0-1.
The source for this game, Aidan Woodger, Reuben Fine: A Comprehensive Record of an American Chess Career, 1929-1951 (Jefferson, N.C.: McFarland & Co. 2004), Game No. 355, at 145, was graciously provided by IM Gerard Welling (User: Gejewe) in his helpful reply kibitz of Mar-30-16: Reuben Fine (kibitz #390).
|Apr-12-16|| ||suenteus po 147: <luftforlife> Thank you for the game. It's always a great privilege to have access to a game that is not widely available. I'm so glad you submitted it to the database. I did a quick (not very thorough) search online and it looks like nobody has the PGN for Moscow International 1937. That puts me out of the game. I have a minuscule library (nothing rare), and I never really got into Chess Bulletins which seem to be de rigueur for the chess historian these days. My participation in chess history has always been the sole purview of what's available exclusively online.|
I look forward to playing through the game once I've finished moving into my new apartment and unpacking my chess set :)
|Apr-14-16|| ||luftforlife: <suenteus po 147>: You're welcome! :) I don't believe that game has hit the airwaves yet, but now you have the white-label "promo release," so to speak. |
I'll inquire of a colleague who has a healthy chess library and see what else I can uncover from Moscow International 1937. Like yours, my own library consists at present of just a few volumes, and so, like you, I perform nearly all my chess research online. Works well enough -- until one requires games or information from sources not yet in digital circulation. That's when a colleague's help (or help from a great player such as IM Gerard Welling -- a gentleman and a generous fellow) can prove transformative and invaluable. I'll see what I can find.
Good luck with your new apartment! I always have my own set at the ready; I'm all for PGN viewers, but they strain my eyes sometimes, and anyway there is nothing quite like playing through or transcribing a game at the board. Cheers!
|Apr-14-16|| ||crawfb5: Hello, not here much these days, but I see you were discussing Moscow 1937. RusBase (http://al20102007.narod.ru/) has only 10 of the 28 games (the site says 10 of 56, but they list both Fine and Yudovich as two players each). Woodger's bio of Fine has all of Fine's games (with dates) from that event, so that brings the total to 13 of 28. Not sure if you'd want to start a collection with those numbers or not.|
|Apr-15-16|| ||suenteus po 147: <luftforlife> I hope something pans out. Be sure to thank your sources (including IM Gerard Welling) on all our behalf. The whole community benefits when we upload new games, or assemble historic events for all the users :)|
<crawfb5> 13 out of 28 is not my preferred ratio of games to omissions. <Phony Benoni> always does a stellar job with "incomplete tournaments," replacing the missing games with much needed history and contextual detail. Maybe we can peak his interest into collecting the tournament once any and all games missing from the database are uploaded.
|Apr-15-16|| ||suenteus po 147: Liege, 1930 by Savielly Tarakower:
1.) Three nights of debauched drinking, 1st before Alekhine left Liege, 2nd after round seven (Marshall is buying), 3rd to properly end the event (Tartakower is buying by way of international intrigue).
2.) Tartakower shares Sultan Khan's story, the insight into this mysterious Eastern gentlemen of quiet reserve and robust talent. Includes Yates (reporter), Thomas (plays tennis/badminton with Khan's master), and Przepiorka (one of Tartakower's many "countrymen").
3.) Tartakower reflects on his experience as an officer for the Austro-Hungarian military during the Great War and a solider, a chess talent, he befriended and taught, but who was sent to the front and slaughtered. Tartakower reminisces about death because of two chess masters in poor health (Colle and Weenink, who both died a short time after the event).
|Apr-15-16|| ||luftforlife: <suenteus po 147> <crawfb5>: I know you and <Phony Benoni> are venerable and estimable chess researchers and compilers of much-loved and deeply appreciated game collections and tournament pages. Hats off to you for your sterling work through the years. As for Moscow International 1937: I'm more than happy to transcribe, check, and upload the games, if I can gain access to them, and to form a game collection, featuring any and all credited contributions anyone might care to make, should that be desirable. Just offering to pull the laboring oar. Thanks, and kindest regards.|
|Apr-15-16|| ||Phony Benoni: <suenteus po 147> My interest peaked long ago. But good to hear from you!|
<luftforlife> ust in case you need it, here's a crosstable for Moscow 1937 all ready to copy and paste:
Game Collection: Just Checking
I've also included one of my infamous pairing reconstructions. As always, I must caution you that it is based on the assumption that the standard Berger pairing table was used. I've had good luck doing these for Soviet tournaments, but if you find any contradictory evidence the reconstruction should be disregarded.
|Apr-15-16|| ||luftforlife: <Phony Benoni>: Thanks very much!|
|May-06-16|| ||suenteus po 147: Tournaments that need finishing:
Biel 1983 (need to submit 30 missing games)
Biel 1992 (needs intro/xtab/dates)
Budapest Tungsram 1973 (need to submit 59 missing games)
Frankfurt 1887 (needs intro/xtab/dates/crosscheck)
Hastings 1964/65 (need to submit 23 missing games)
Hastings 1974/75 (needs intro/xtab/dates)
Havana 1962 (need to submit 112 missing games)
Las Palmas 1993 (needs intro/xtab/dates)
Munich 1991 (needs intro/xtab/dates)
New York 1889 (needs source rundown, fact-check)
Reggio Emilia 1988/89 (needs intro/xtab/dates)
Reggio Emilia 1990/91 I (needs intro/xtab/dates)
US Championship 1960/61 (needs intro/xtab/dates; 10 missing/lost?)
US Championship 1968/69 (needs intro/xtab/dates)
US Championship 1969/70 (needs intro/xtab/dates)
US Championship 1978 (needs intro/xtab/dates)
US Championship 1980 (needs intro/xtab/dates)
USSR Championship 1937 (needs history/round dates)
USSR Championship 1954 (needs one? game correction/historical sourcing)
|May-19-16|| ||luftforlife: <suenteus po 147>: Hello again! I hope you're enjoying your new apartment, and I hope that all is well with you. :)|
Regarding your thoughtful comment made in another forum: this passage from The Gospel According to St. Matthew has always given me pause:
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth; I came not to send peace, but a sword." Matthew 10:34 (King James Version).
One of the prescriptions preceding that passage is somewhat easier for me to understand (but often awfully hard to put into practice):
"But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil; but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." Matthew 5:39.
It wounds me sometimes to read others' hurtful words, even if they are not directed at me personally. I find your own words uplifting and reassuring. Even your dispositive rebuke of the pitiful ruffian was not malicious; it was laceratingly accurate, yet it was delivered with acerbic wit, and it was leavened by levity, and it ended with a playful raspberry and an outstuck tongue, if I remember rightly. :)
I appreciate that you are respectful of others, and that you are friendly and welcoming to me. It seems our societal environs are becoming ever more contentious, and consideration for others' feelings is rapidly disappearing, and sweetness of temperament is deliquescing like a quiescently frozen confection left to melt in the sun, and so I want to thank you for being constructive and enthusiastic and affirmative, with me, and with others too. I read your kibitzes with relish, and I prize them highly -- not only for their rich content, but for their wholesome tone. All the best.
|Nov-25-16|| ||Chessical: I have cloned your collection from Frankfurt 1887 for my submission Game Collection: Frankfurt am Main 1887|
Thank you for the monumental amount of work necessary to pull together over 200 games.
|Nov-30-16|| ||suenteus po 147: <Chessical> Thank you for finishing that tournament! I thought it might never be completed.|
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