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twinlark
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   Sep-23-16 twinlark chessforum (replies)
 
twinlark: <I'm wondering what would actually happen if American commandos already in Syria, suddenly get targeted and killed or US warplanes over Syrian air get shot down? Any opinions on this?> It would be a hellish escalation. If the US-led coalition keeps pushing until Russia ...
 
   Jul-12-16 Kenneth Rogoff (replies)
 
twinlark: <zanzibar> <Why use a robot (which is still serviceable, with the exception of its robotic arm)? In order to avoid the possibility of the gunman fighting through the wall, is the best I could come up with.> I can come up with other scenarios, including that they were ...
 
   Jun-07-16 Viktor Korchnoi (replies)
 
twinlark: R.I.P Grandmaster Viktor Lvovich Korchnoi. Your legacy will last as long as the great game itself.
 
   May-31-16 R Praggnanandhaa (replies)
 
twinlark: <offramp> Thanks.
 
   May-23-16 European Individual Championship (2016) (replies)
 
twinlark: <notyetagm: Top 23 wins invitations to the 2017 World Cup> Navara and possibly Wojtaszek might make it into the World Cup on the basis of ratings. If that is the case, then Ter-Sahakyan and Lupulescu might still qualify.
 
   May-16-16 keypusher chessforum (replies)
 
twinlark: <keypusher> You might be interested in this: http://www.unz.com/article/the-iq-g...
 
   May-07-16 Annie K. chessforum (replies)
 
twinlark: <<Also, are we still waiting for feedback from <twinlark>?> He seems to be busy, but we're in no hurry.> Sorry. I am actually on the job. I'll try to be quick.
 
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twinlark: TF is coming here to return BP's back rubs. Carry on, guys. Always good to see a nice bromance.
 
   Apr-19-16 TheFocus chessforum (replies)
 
twinlark: I see you lads have formed a mutual admiration society. Let me leave this page so that you can enjoy each other in the privacy of this forum.
 
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Sep-19-16
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  Boomie: <visayanbraindoctor: Deir ez-Zor>

My murky understanding was that the US forces would be confined to operations well north of the river. Deir ez-Zor is largely on the south side. But whether or not the city is within the US zone of influence is irrelevant. The Syrian offensive to retake Deir ez-Zor had to be known by all parties. All US operations in that area should have ceased.

At first, the news outlets seemed to be stunned by the event. Could US intelligence be so out of touch? Or is it now the policy to openly attack Syrian government troops as suggested by Moscow? If the US wanted to go to war directly with Syria, there would be no such confusion. So this incident must be a stupid mistake and heads should roll because of it.

Syria is yet another example of the US blundering into complex struggles without a hint of understanding the underlying meanings. We should pull out of the entire Middle East and let this Sunni vs. Shia lunacy play itself out. Russia will probably come to the same conclusion. There is no way to help these zealots.

Sep-19-16
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  visayanbraindoctor: <Boomie: It occurred to me that some form of protective headgear would be of benefit.>

By law it's illegal to ride motorcycles without helmets. The law is not strictly enforced, and many people do, especially at night when most accidents happen. Nearly all of them arrive after dinner to witching hour.

Some comments:

<At first, the news outlets seemed to be stunned by the event.> The alternative explanation is what I keep on mentioning above- there is a form of censorship going on in the MSM regarding politically loaded matters. They ignore, downplay, or twist such events.

<Could US intelligence be so out of touch?> If you read the pro-Russian sites, you'll find out that it was perfectly timed to support an ISIS attack that unsurprisingly succeeded. The bombed out strategic hills were taken. You can see videos uploaded by ISIS of their troops exulting in triumph over the dead bodies of Syrian soldiers killed by the airstrike on their captured hill.

If you read around non MSM sources, nearly all of them believe that it was a deliberate strike.

<If the US wanted to go to war directly with Syria, there would be no such confusion.>

I have a different theory. Some factions of the US leadership want to ensure that the Syrian war continues. What better way than to provoke a Syrian and Russian response? Then claim they've broken the ceasefire.

Syrian government and Russia has just declared an end to the ceasefire.

1. In the light of the above event.

2. SANA states that there have been 300 cases of Syrian Islamists violating the ceasefire.

3. Russia says a ceasefire is meaningless if only the Syrian military ceases fire, while jihadists continue resupplying, redeploying, and attacking.

Russia specifically exposed the terms of the ceasefire, which the US side never implemented.

1. Separate legitimate (US supported) opposition from jihadists.

2. Giving the coordinates of these legitimate opposition.

US kept these terms secret, did not want them public. Russia laid them out, and claims US can't really separate its vetted groups from terrorists, indicating that they are one and the same; and that these same groups are continuing to attack the Syrian army.

MSM publications now carry the end of ceasefire news, but from a singularly biased view. They fail to state the specific reasons why the ceasefire has failed. (I gave them above.)

Instead MSM such as CNN try to mislead the reader that it is Assad and Russia that is to blame.

For example CNN says: <Even before Monday's declaration by Syria that the ceasefire was over, flare-ups of violence were marring its progress. The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reported civilian deaths from airstrikes in Idlib on Friday and in Aleppo on Sunday, though it didn't identify the perpetrators.>

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/19/m...

The SOHR according to secular Syrians is an organization made of a single man, and a felon and jihadist supporter at that, based in UK, paid by British intelligence, churning out anti Syrian news all the time.

US unsurprisingly has declared it wants the ceasefire to continue.

Syrians in the internet ask: For what? The jihadists keep on resupplying and attacking anyway. The ceasefire in fact has strengthened their military position, which they use to launch fresh attacks.

Under the circumstances, the opposite party (Syrian government) should not be obliged to enforce a ceasefire that never existed anyway thanks to non-compliance by the first party (jihadists).

But this is the perfect excuse for US to blame the Syrian government. It's you who have stopped the 'ceasefire', not us; therefore you are the villains. MSM will probably pick up and propagandize this viewpoint.

IMO <Syria is yet another example of the US blundering into complex struggles without a hint of understanding the underlying meanings> happens and is psychologically justified to the ordinary American by your own MSM that keeps on deceiving and misleading you.

<We should pull out of the entire Middle East and let this Sunni vs. Shia lunacy play itself out. Russia will probably come to the same conclusion. There is no way to help these zealots.>

Then why is your government there in the first place, and actually helping out these <zealots>?

It's another reason why I think you should write your own MSM.

Many secular Syrians also disagree with your opinion that the war is intractably complex. They say it's actually simple. If US and Turkey were to totally pull out tomorrow, and Saudi and Qatar stop financing it, the war would essentially be over in a few months time.

Sep-19-16
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  Boomie: <visayanbraindoctor: By law it's illegal to ride motorcycles without helmets.>

Very wise. How about bicycle riders? Perhaps what is needed is a campaign to make wearing helmets cool.

Sep-20-16
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  Boomie: <there is a form of censorship going on in the MSM regarding politically loaded matters>

Probably in some cases. The official statements seemed to indicate that they didn't know what happened. They don't have any journalists on the ground and are relying on whatever stories emerge. After a day or so, the news was covered as best as could be expected given that there is no way to verify the facts. My sense from the stories I read is that the Syrian and Russian reports of the incident is accepted as true.

<it was perfectly timed to support an ISIS attack that unsurprisingly succeeded>

Briefly. The Syrians retook the ground shortly after regrouping. I don't see the logic behind supporting ISIS. The US has nothing to gain by this. The story from the Australians that they were following an ISIS group and missed their target sounds typical of these cramped positions. In any case, they had no business taking such an active role. Preventing ISIS from escaping north across the river would have been the most they should have done.

<The ceasefire in fact has strengthened their military position, which they use to launch fresh attacks.>

Getting stronger is the nature of a ceasefire. That alone can't be used as an argument against ceasefires. Violations of the ceasefire will ensure its demise however. There was some hope that humanitarian aid could make it through to east Aleppo but for many reasons, that effort failed. So the few hundred thousand noncombatants there continue to suffer.

The problem I have making sense out of all this is the lack of believable reporting. There are no war correspondents. There are just government officials spinning stories. I have no idea what is really happening there. I am an equal opportunity disbeliever. I believe they are all liars.

Sep-20-16
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  Boomie: <Writing letters to news agencies>

Writing letters to the editor is a US national pastime practiced for well over 100 years. There are thousands of such letters pouring into all news agencies every day and their internet sites are choked with comments. There isn't any lack of correspondence expressing opinions from every side of every issue. Why do you think the American people are shy about expressing their opinions? On the contrary, we take our right of expression very seriously and defend that right even when the opinion is odious.

Sep-20-16
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  visayanbraindoctor: <Boomie> Some more contrast in news. On one hand, you have an MSM going full blast at the Syrian government and Russia with this article, complete with a white helmet propagandist demonizing the Syrian government.

<Hopes of a lasting truce in Syria continued to collapse late Monday after an aid convoy was targeted in airstrikes near the northern city of Aleppo, killing at least 12 people, mostly aid workers, according to activists.

The U.N. confirmed that the Syrian Red Crescent convoy, which it had supported, was hit in airstrikes near the town of Urm al-Kubra in the Aleppo region. The global body said that 18 of 31 lorries were struck, as well as a Red Crescent warehouse, despite its planned deliveries to 78,000 people.

It came just hours after a fragile ceasefire came to an end Monday with no sign of an extension and amid accusations of truce violations by both the Syrian regime, with its ally Russia, and opposition rebel groups.>

<The U.K.-based monitoring group The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) said that Damascus or Moscow were responsible for the strikes.

The U.S. condemned the attack and appeared to point the finger of responsibility at both parties.

“The destination of this convoy was known to the Syrian regime and the Russian Federation,” State Department spokesman John Kirby said.

“And yet these aid workers were killed in their attempt to provide relief to the Syrian people,” he added.

The U.N.’s aid chief Stephen O’Brien called the incident a “callous attack” that could be viewed as a war crime if shown to be a deliberate targeting of aid workers attempting to help civilians, while Staffan de Mistura, United Nations Special Envoy for Syria, also condemned the air raid.

“Our outrage at this attack is enormous… The convoy was the outcome of a long process of permission and preparations to assist isolated civilians,” he said.>

http://www.newsweek.com/syria-un-ai...

Wow! So quick to accuse.

Russia issued a denial.

<Russian and Syrian warplanes did not launch airstrikes on an aid convoy that was attacked en route to Aleppo, the Russian Defense Ministry said. The ministry added that only the militants who control the area had information regarding the location of the convoy.

“Russian and Syrian warplanes did not carry out any airstrikes on a UN humanitarian aid convoy in the southwest of Aleppo,” Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said in a statement Tuesday.

The Russian Center for Reconciliation said that it had used drones to accompany the convoy because its route passed through territory controlled by the rebels, but only to a certain point.

"Around 13:40 Moscow time (10:40 GMT) the aid convoy successfully reached the destination. The Russian side did not monitor the convoy after this and its movements were only known by the militants who were in control of the area,” Konashenkov added.

The defense ministry spokesman said that the Russian military had been looking at video footage from the scene and that there was no sign of the convoy being targeted by shells or an airstrike.

“We have closely studied the video footage from where the incident took place and we did not find any signs of any ammunition having hit the convoy. There are no craters, while the vehicles have their chassis intact and they have not been severely damaged, which would have been the case from an airstrike,” Konashenkov said.

“All of the video footage demonstrates that the convoy caught fire, which strangely happened almost at exactly at the same time as militants started a large scale offensive on Aleppo.”>

Now Kerry and the US State Department look like fools after trying to pin the blame on Russia, even before any investigation.

<Boomie> What the heck is wrong with the US State Department and MSM? It gets its info from a pro-terrorist felon masquerading as a human rights source, and accuses before ascertaining the facts. It nearly sounds as if they're provoking Russia. But this isn't some 3rd world nation that they can accuse of a putative war crime and then invade. It's a nuclear armed nation.

If HRC becomes POTUS, these types of innuendos (from chemical weapons use to shooting down the Malaysian airplane) directed against Russia would probably get worse. Some of your leaders don't seem to fear provoking a nuclear war.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4a...

Even for that reason alone, I hope Trump wins. The notion of HRC on the cockpit with her fingers on the thermonuclear trigger is terrifying.

Sep-20-16
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  visayanbraindoctor: I forgot to post the link to the Russian denial of the bombing. <Russian, Syrian Air Forces did not strike UN aid convoy in Aleppo - Russian MoD > I post it below.

https://www.rt.com/news/359990-russ...

Here is an even juicier article from MSM. It all but convicts Russia for the bombing.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...

<The brother of a volunteer killed in an airstrike on Syrian aid trucks has revealed how the convoy was pounded for hours with at least 20 missiles.>

The usual white helmet propagandist (or dare I say liar?) appears. The article goes on to present florid pictures of the bombed out trucks. The editors must be thinking- there, that would convince our idiot audience that Assad and his Russian supporters are devils!

Except that the pictures they placed in the article show trucks that don't look bombed at all. Many commenters actually noted this.

I am assuming these are the same trucks that Russian drones photographed, and the basis for the Russians' statement that the trucks visually don't show evidence of having been bombed.

(Note: There are lots of pictures and videos of vehicles that got bombed in the internet. A vehicle that gets struck by a 100 to 250 kilo air bomb pretty much turns into scrap metal.)

Sep-20-16
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  Boomie: <visayanbraindoctor> Given my contempt for all news agencies, I don't believe any of these stories. I don't even believe that such an aid convoy existed. They want us to believe that an unarmed convoy rolled into a war zone? They waited until after the collapse of the cease fire before moving out? Totally unbelievable.

We can now clearly see the benefit of having journalists on the ground. War correspondents are a rare breed. Apparently, they don't exist in Syria. They lend credibility to a story. Without them, anybody can make up any story they want. No "news" coming out of Syria is credible at all.

Sep-20-16
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  twinlark: I hate moving...
Sep-20-16
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  Boomie: <twinlark: I hate moving...>

Takes forever to "settle in", eh? Requires a lot of patience before the advantages start to emerge.

Sep-20-16
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  visayanbraindoctor: <Boomie: No "news" coming out of Syria is credible at all.>

If I may say so, your statement seems to be 'diffusing' outright news media lying to the Russians. In this case, it's clearly Kirby and MSM that's the deceiver, not the Russians.

Here is US State Department spokesman Kirby's statement, pronounced before any investigation was done, and based on slanderous sources such as the SOHR and White Helmet 'activists'.

<US State Department spokesman John Kirby said the US was “outraged” at the attack, adding that “the destination of this convoy was known to the Syrian regime and the Russian Federation and yet these aid workers were killed in their attempt to provide relief to the Syrian people.”

“The United States will raise this issue directly with Russia. Given the egregious violation of the Cessation of Hostilities we will reassess the future prospects for cooperation with Russia,” Kirby said.>

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/360037-s...

Contrast this to what Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov has to say, which I posted above.

<Russian and Syrian warplanes did not launch airstrikes on an aid convoy that was attacked en route to Aleppo, the Russian Defense Ministry said. The ministry added that only the militants who control the area had information regarding the location of the convoy.

“Russian and Syrian warplanes did not carry out any airstrikes on a UN humanitarian aid convoy in the southwest of Aleppo,” Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said in a statement Tuesday.

The Russian Center for Reconciliation said that it had used drones to accompany the convoy because its route passed through territory controlled by the rebels, but only to a certain point.

"Around 13:40 Moscow time (10:40 GMT) the aid convoy successfully reached the destination. The Russian side did not monitor the convoy after this and its movements were only known by the militants who were in control of the area,” Konashenkov added.

The defense ministry spokesman said that the Russian military had been looking at video footage from the scene and that there was no sign of the convoy being targeted by shells or an airstrike.

“We have closely studied the video footage from where the incident took place and we did not find any signs of any ammunition having hit the convoy. There are no craters, while the vehicles have their chassis intact and they have not been severely damaged, which would have been the case from an airstrike,” Konashenkov said.

“All of the video footage demonstrates that the convoy caught fire, which strangely happened almost at exactly at the same time as militants started a large scale offensive on Aleppo.”>

The Russian statement looks like a narration of observable facts. The US statement looks like pure slander.

Now imagine all you read is US MSM. You would go away with the firm notion that Putin a murderous thug, ordering his airforce to bomb a peaceful aid convoy.

I do not intend any offense, but I would like to point out that you thought that way before, as is clear from your past posts. I think you yourself have been victimized by your own press.

After having said the above, let me also say that you post differently nowadays. From my viewpoint, you now seem more suspicious of what your MSM prints, and do some scouting around first before accepting certain politically loaded news.

However, imagine millions of your coutnrymnen who read nothing but MSM. They will only read the statements of Kirby, O'brien, and Mistura, lined up by MSM in such a way as to paint the Russian intervention as evil.

Then they listen to HRC warmongering on TV. How will they react? "Go Hillary, shoot down those evil Russian planes!"

This is what's so worrying with the your MSM's slanderous articles. They seem to be psychologically prepping your people for war against a nuclear armed nation.

Sep-20-16
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  visayanbraindoctor: Here is Ban Ki-moon throwing a metaphorical knife at Assad, blaming him for the bombing of the UN aid convoy. He probably isn't aware of the Russian denial and the pictures of the trucks that show they weren't bombed. Again so quick to accuse.

http://www.irishsun.com/index.php/s...

<"Yesterday"s sickening, savage, and apparently deliberate attack on a UN-Syrian Arab Red Crescent aid convoy is the latest example," he underscored, and, hailing the efforts of aid workers, added: "The humanitarians delivering life-saving aid were heroes. Those who bombed them were cowards."

Appealing on all who have influence to end the fighting in the country and get talks started, he said that "a political transition is long overdue. After so much violence and misrule, the future of Syria should not rest on the fate of a single man.">

Now that Russia had presented pictures of the trucks, will Ban and Mistura retract their statements indirectly blaming the Syrian government and Russia? Probably not.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/articl...

<The Russian military unveiled on Tuesday video footage of a UN humanitarian aid convoy that came under attack in Syria, which shows a militants’ pickup vehicle carrying a large-caliber mortar as part of the convoy.

The video shows that the UN aid convoy was accompanied by a terrorists’ off-road vehicle with a large-caliber mortar launcher, the Russian Defense Ministry spokesman said.

“The examination of the video footage made via drones of the movement of the humanitarian convoy in areas controlled by militants in the province of Aleppo has revealed new details. The video clearly shows how terrorists are redeploying a pickup with a large-caliber mortar on it using the convoy as a cover,” Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said.>

Will they accuse the moderate terrorists of using the UN convoy as cover for transporting mortars that probably have already been launched into Aleppo and killed and wounded people? Probably not. Or maybe another statement like 'I am gravely concerned that the cessation of the ceasefire has resulted in more shelling on Aleppo,' is forthcoming.

What can Syria and Russia do about all these physical and slanderous attacks?

Nothing much I think. Just wait for the next POTUS to take over and hope it isn't an HRC type that will shoot down the evil Russian planes, bomb the Syrian army, and trigger WW3.

Sep-20-16
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  Boomie: He said, she said. They are all full of it.

One example of Russian facts:

<"...the aid convoy successfully reached the destination. The Russian side did not monitor the convoy after this and its movements were only known by the militants who were in control of the area,”>

The destination was a Red Crescent warehouse. The workers were in the process of unloading the trucks when the incident occurred. What "movements" is the speaker referring to? They were parked at the warehouse. No more movements were required at that point. Then the "fire" broke out destroying 18 of the 31 vehicles and the warehouse. That was some fire.

Only the militants knew of the convoy's movements?

"The U.N. stressed that they had "deconflicted" the delivery with all parties before the operation, by obtaining the necessary permits from the government and supplying combatants with the relevant coordinates for the move." All parties knew what it was, where it was going, and the route it was taking.

My assumption still stands. They are all liars.

Sep-21-16
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  twinlark: <My assumption still stands. They are all liars.>

Forgive me but that is a cop out excuse for not winnowing through the reams of information and misinformation.

If you don't want to make the effort, then don't and abandon the chase for truth. But simply calling them all liars is a pretty useless path of least resistance. You need to acquire the tools for deciphering what is coming through from that and other parts of the world.

Again I recommend Media Lens as a small committed outfit that sets out to identify media lies and distortions. They're a good start as they specialise in this. I've recommended other sites that do similar work.

Sep-21-16
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  twinlark: Reporters Without Borders not being one of them.
Sep-21-16
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  visayanbraindoctor: <twinlark> The national level US mass media may have become a Goebbel-like propaganda machine. They keep on repeating the big lie(s) again and again and again. Even without evidence. Whatever they publish- Putin is a thug, Assad a murderer who kills his own people with chemical weapons, Russia shot down a civilian plane over Donbass, Russian air force bombed an aid convoy, becomes truth in the minds of its readers. I suspect that even propagandists themselves eventually come to believe their own lies.

What happened when the Russian Defense ministry comes up with evidence that the aid convoy was not air bombed? Most of US MSM either buries that report or obfuscates it.

From the point of view of the Russian leadership, the Deir ezzor bombing of the Syrian army and the attempt to frame and slander Russia for the destruction of the aid convoy, coming right on top of the other, must be outrageous insults.

Twisting the knife further, Kerry comes up with this proposal:

<At a UN Security Council meeting, the US Secretary of State, John Kerry, blamed President Bashar Assad for violations of the ceasefire in Syria and added that Assad “does not believe in ceasefire.”

This is why, according to the US official, the Syrian Air Force should be banned from flying over territories held by the so-called “moderate opposition” (most likely Kerry meant Jabhat al-Nusra or Jund al-Aqsa).>

Putin and the Russian leadership must be furious by now. It sounds almost like blackmail. We will bomb your allies and instigate more false flags and blame you for it, if you do not accede to our demands to protect our favorite moderate head choppers.

Or it could be a provocation in order to further escalate the conflict, just before a crucial election.

With HRC's health problems, the Democratic Party knows it could get into trouble in the coming elections. One way out may be to trigger an all out war in Syria involving American troops.

I expect that Putin and the Russian leadership will see through this and not do anything to escalate the war, until the US election is over.

On the other hand, if the Russians are furious, the Syrians must be close to blowing their tops. US military is in their country illegally, and have the gall not only to kill their soldiers, but to blame them for it. Moreover, Kerry proposes to ban the Syrian air force from flying over their own country.

The insults just keep on piling up on each other. It could come to a point wherein the Syrian military would shoot down approaching US warplanes on their own.

I'm wondering what would actually happen if American commandos already in Syria, suddenly get targeted and killed or US warplanes over Syrian air get shot down? Any opinions on this?

Sep-21-16
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  visayanbraindoctor: <twinlark> I've been perusing through Syrian reactions and comments in the internet. Some of them are speculating that the US warplanes bombed the SAA in Deir ezzor not once, but twice. The planes returned for a second bombing run. They broke off only after Russian air defenses painted their planes.

US planes never attempted to bomb ISIS troops in that area, even though they were close enough to take the disputed hill right after the SAA retreated.

If the above is true, what would have happened if the Russians had a paint and shoot policy? What would happen if in the next such incident, the US warplane (attacking by mistake) gets shot down (by mistake)?

Sep-21-16
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  visayanbraindoctor: After Ban, Mistura, and O'Brien tried to snare Russia and Syria in the convoy bombing, it seems that they are now backtracking after Lavrov presented videos footages from Russian drones in a UN Security Council meeting.

<On Tuesday, the UN backtracked on its earlier claims that the convoy was hit by military planes.

“We are not in a position to determine whether these were in fact airstrikes. We are in a position to say that the convoy was attacked,” UN humanitarian spokesman Jens Laerke said.>

http://theduran.com/sergey-lavrov-c...

So fast to accuse. So quick to look stupid. MSM will probably mostly ignore the above backtracking or try to obfuscate it.

More tidbits from the above article.

<Lavrov said at a UN Security Council meeting that Moscow has provided all the data it has on the attack on a humanitarian convoy in Aleppo, and it is now time for a full and impartial investigation into the incident.

“There was another unacceptable provocation on September 19 – the shelling of a humanitarian convoy near Aleppo.”

Lavrov noted that at the same time as the UN convoy attack, militants (aka ISIS) advanced in the 1070 district of Aleppo.

“I am confident that such coincidences require serious analysis and an investigation.”

Not a coincidence, and Lavrov knows it. Russian diplomats are 100% confident in their evidence, other wise Lavrov would never have called on the Security Council to investigate. Samantha Power is probably feeling real dumb right about now, as America has some serious explainn to do.

Expect a lot of “no comments” and “we cannot share intelligence information” to spew out of Power’s mouth in response to Lavrov’s request.

RT reports…

Speaking on the delivery of humanitarian aid to Syria, Lavrov said that the Russia and US-backed plan included the creation of a demilitarized zone around the Castello Road near Aleppo. The minister added that while the Syrian government forces have started their withdrawal, the militants have not followed suit.

“The government forces began their withdrawal – in accordance with the Russia-American agreements – only to see that the opposition does not follow suit, and even begins to fire.”>

Sep-21-16
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  visayanbraindoctor: Bad news for the Syrians.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/articl...

<ISIS launched their offensive from Point 3 at Jabal Thardeh, striking the Syrian Arab Army's (SAA) defenses along points 1 and 2 at the eastern slopes of the mountain.

Following a fierce battle on Wednesday, the Islamic State terrorists were able to establish full control over the entire mountaintop, leaving them within striking distance of both the Deir Ezzor Military Airbase and provincial capital.

In response to the Islamic State's advances, the Syrian Arab Army's 137th Artillery Brigade of the 17th Reserve Division has requested reinforcements from Deir Ezzor City, where the Republican Guard units are currently on the offensive near the Euphrates River.

Much of the Islamic State's success is a result of the U.S.' airstrikes that fractured the Syrian Arab Army's defenses at Jabal Thardeh.>

So far, Russian has been moderate in the true sense of the word in attacking ISIS and supporting the Syrian army. In Afghanistan and Chechnya, I believe the Russian air force used 5 to 9 ton air bombs and Scud missiles. In RT videos you see the Ruaf using only 100 to 250 kg bombs (correct me if I'm wrong).

The US air force itself did not pull punches when it attacked the SAA. Latest reports indicate that the KIA number has risen to about 90, and the wounded to more than a hundred. They totally bombed out that hill.

I don't know what's making Ruaf stop from dropping two or three 9 ton bombs on the areas ISIS has taken. US and MSM will naturally cry murder and war crime, but it would delete ISIS-on-the-strategic-hill from the equation.

Perhaps Putin's present policy is to avoid escalation at all costs, and is waiting for a new POTUS to take over.

Sep-22-16
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  visayanbraindoctor: I've bean looking around for news on what the leadership of Syria has to say about the US airstrike.

<Syrian President Bashar al-Assad has said that US airstrikes on Syrian troops on Saturday were "intentional" and lasted for nearly one hour.>

http://en.alalam.ir/news/1864492

Syrians are saying that as a direct consequence, three strategic hills on the bombed out mountain were taken by ISIS. Once ISIS places in artillery on these hills, Deir ezzor airport will be under their artillery fire control. Even now, landing in the airport has become dangerous. This will have bad consequences for the people in Deir ezzor since much of their food supplies and other needed stuff are flown in through that airport.

Another consequence according to Syrians: Syrian air force and Ruaf have been forced to divert warplanes to that area in order to bomb ISIS on those hills, so that they can't set up their artillery. I think that means resources diverted from the Aleppo offensive.

Again the Russians are still playing moderate. They've used 9 ton bombs before in their past wars. If they use these kinds of bombs on those hills, that would probably end the ISIS presence there. On the other side, when the USAF bombed those hills, they pulled no punches.

Sep-23-16
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  visayanbraindoctor: More juicy tidbits from Carter and Dunford.

<“Not only our people – our defense industry partners, too, need stability and longer-term plans to be as efficient and cutting-edge as we need them to be,” Carter told the senators.>

Strange pronouncement. It begs the question: Does the Pentagon serve the Corporations?

<The lawmakers were far less interested in the war against Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) than about the future of the Syrian government, Iran’s “malign influence,” and “aggression” by China and Russia – all ranked far ahead of terrorism on Carter and Dunford’s list of security challenges.>

These guys are in the Cold War.

<The Pentagon had “no intention” of sharing intelligence with Russia when it came to Syria, Dunford told the lawmakers unequivocally. Secretary Carter explained that the joint implementation councils envisioned by the ceasefire proposal negotiated in Geneva wouldn’t share intelligence, just coordinate efforts – but that they were a moot point anyway, since the ceasefire was effectively dead.>

It begs the question; Are the guys US is vetting terrorists, whom they want to protect from a Russian strike?

<Both the lawmakers and the Pentagon chiefs blamed that development on Russia, focusing on the alleged airstrike against the humanitarian convoy in east Aleppo while the US-led airstrike against the Syrian Army fighting IS in Deir ez-Zor went unmentioned.

“I don’t have the facts,” Dunford said, when asked about the convoy attack by Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Connecticut). “It was either the Russians or the regime,” he added.

“There is no doubt in my mind that the Russians are responsible,” whether directly or because they backed the government in Damascus, Dunford said, describing the attack as “an unacceptable atrocity.”

Carter explained Dunford’s logic in a response to Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina), saying that “the Russians are responsible for this strike whether they conducted it or not, because they took responsibility for the conduct of the Syrians by associating themselves with the Syrian regime.”>

Huh? The above sounds like an oxymoron argument. Dunford admits <I don’t have the facts>, yet <There is no doubt in my mind that the Russians are responsible.>

<“There can be no question of grounding US aircraft” over Syria, he said, adding that US jets conduct their strikes “with exceptional precision… that no other country can match.”>

Syrians, especially those that lost relatives and colleagues in the US <precision> airstrike in Deir ezzor, reading that must feel like punching the mouth where that pronouncement came from.

<Sen. Roger Wicker (R-Mississippi) asked about what it would take for the US to impose a no-fly zone over Syria, using the phrase “control the airspace.”

“Right now… for us to control all of the airspace in Syria would require us to go to war against Syria and Russia>

Is he actually implying US should go to war against Russia in order to impose a no fly zone in a country that US has invaded illegally?

https://www.rt.com/usa/360317-carte...

Russia should keep cool, and wait for the US Presidential elections. A war at this point, even if waged conventionally, could be the perfect excuse for declaring some kind of state of emergency in the US, and result in warhawks staying in power. One can imagine Obama declaring on TV 'We are at war; I declare martial law, and cancel the presidential elections.' The MSM will feed it like free hotcakes to the gullible public. We may have reached the point where the US MSM can shove crap into the mouths of its readers, and it will still get swallowed as delicious mango parfait.

Trouble of course is that a conventional war involving US and Russian soldiers fighting each other can easily expand into a nuclear one. What the heck is Carter and Dunford thinking; that they can limit such a war with certainty to non-nuclear weapons?

Sep-23-16
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  twinlark: <I'm wondering what would actually happen if American commandos already in Syria, suddenly get targeted and killed or US warplanes over Syrian air get shot down? Any opinions on this?>

It would be a hellish escalation.

If the US-led coalition keeps pushing until Russia finally pushes back, I believe that will be the signal for an all out confrontation.

Russia will concede considerable ground before it allows that to happen. But happen it will, and I have no doubt that Russia has been planning its defence for some time as the progressive NATO buildup on its borders and the complete lack of US willingness to strike a meaningful deal that is not totally advantageous on any front is ominous.

Sep-23-16
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  diceman: <visayanbraindoctor:

I'm wondering what would actually happen if American commandos already in Syria, suddenly get targeted and killed or US warplanes over Syrian air get shot down? Any opinions on this?>

You don't have to worry about Obama.

Sep-24-16
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  visayanbraindoctor: <diceman: You don't have to worry about Obama.>

His term is ending. I know that there are many pro HRC supporters in the US, but I fear an escalation of ongoing conflicts, and new hot ones as well, if she wins. From my part of the world, there are two that could affect us.

North vs South Korean is one of them. In the previous Korean War (and the Vietnam War) my country sent in soldiers to fight together with Americans, and Luzon was used as a jump-off point. These did not visibly affect civilian life.

On the other hand, if the South China Sea tuns into a hot war, it's going to affect us directly.

Sep-24-16
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  visayanbraindoctor: <twinlark> I suspect that some warhawks in the US leadership actually believe that a local was between US and Russia would not escalate to a nuclear one. Perhaps they are thinking of the Korean War, whee US and Chinese soldiers directly fought each other in combat.

IMO it still carries too much risk of transforming into a nuclear war.

Let us assume that a hot war does erupt and it remains non-nuclear.

1. US will try its best to knock out Syria's SAM defenses, but probably not the SAM systems on the Russian warships off the Syrian coast.

Or maybe US would sink the Russian wqrships. It would be a frightful development because Russia could retaliate against US warships in the Mediterranean. It would be extremely difficult to stop the war from becoming nuclear in such a case.

2. US at the very least will try to convince Turkey to send in troops, if it wants to avoid thousands of American casualties. Turkish soldiers will be the boots on the ground.

This means that without a Turkish assurance of military participation, US probably will try to avoid a hot war in Syria. US will have to assure the Turks in turn that it will support the annexation of northern Aleppo and Idlib to Turkey. This is probably the price Turkey will demand.

US will also try to convince Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Israel to commit large troop divisions; but I don't think they would. They'll probably adopt a wait and see attitude, and would enter only if Damascus is about to fall.

Russia is going to send in supplies via the Bosporus. This is what makes a local but hot war potentially so dangerous. Turkey might close the Bosporus, and this in turn could trigger an all out war involving a Russia vs NATO scenario.

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