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|Dec-27-10|| ||Open Defence: another area this concept can be applied to is sport....|
for example the Oz bowling attack does not seem to have sufficient variety...
earlier even among the pacers you had guy who could bang it in short, swing it by pitching it up etc each doing a specific job in the side, now there seems to be a bit of sameness and mediocrity creeping in...
while we are on cricket, i'm amazed at the backward looking sentiment in Oz cricket... when AB and Steve Waugh retired they left big shoes to fill but no one ever said maybe they should be recalled, why even when Dean Jones was left out there was no looking back, but now there was speculation about Warne, people are debating Ponting etc there isnt enough of the long term planning in Oz cricket that there was earlier...
|Dec-27-10|| ||twinlark: Deffi
The notion of recalling Warne was more of a joke in bad taste crossed with a despairing collective wail, than a serious call to arms.
Although come to think of it, he could be the non-playing captain/coach by doing what he's best at and sending his instructions by SMS through to the 'keeper. That way he could get back into the hurley burley while staying in the Hurley Burley.
And you're bang on the money about our pace attack; it lacks diversity, penetration, cohesion, and morale.
It'll be a long road back to the top.
But on the subject of diversity in cricket. There are now more countries than ever playing the game, including Test cricket. But there are now three main forms of cricket, that have diversified from the initial mould that was relatively unchanged for 150 years or so. That diversification has helped it survive and even thrive, especially in the IPL. Even the 50 over games have changed and are now spread into two innings each of 25 overs.
|Dec-28-10|| ||visayanbraindoctor: <twinlark, Open Defence> In general, standardization is regarded as good for a dying language whose speakers are often fragmented and whose dialects (versions) of the dying language are fast getting 'polluted' by an 'official' or 'national' language that a strong polity is enforcing on some or all of its range. I agree that standardization does not necessarily reject diversity.|
Uncontrolled and chauvinistic standardization of one 'official' or 'national' language however, to the exclusion of others, can and does kill marginalized languages and the ethnic identities of the peoples who speak them.
|Dec-28-10|| ||visayanbraindoctor: Most dying languages have no standard literature, dictionary, or grammar book. This makes it very difficult to teach them in a formal setting to youngsters who would carry on a dying people's ethnic identity; and to non-natives who would like to help.|
I recall that when I first tried to learn the Sugbuanon Visayan language, I could not find any standard grammar book on it. So I learned it by listening and talking with native Sugbuanon speakers. Now if this and other languages that are being marginalized are offered as a subject in high school or college, one does not even have to travel to a place where it is commonly spoken. One can learn it in a classroom setting. This assumes that someone has written a standardized grammar book on it.
I believe that a multi-cultural country (such as India or the Philippines) should have school curricula that offer several of its marginalized languages as language electives in elementary, high school, and college. For instance, Anand's Tamil tongue or <Open Defence's> Kannada(?) (an assumption if you are from Bangalore, pardon me if I am mistaken) could be taught in Bengal or Punjab; and vice versa for Bengali and Punjabi. In the Philippines, Sugbuanon, Hiligaynon, Ilocano, Kapampangan, and so on should be offered as language electives (with each student required to take one language elective in elementary, high school, and college) in schools in the Tagalog-speaking areas such as Metro Manila; instead of Tagalog just being forcibly rammed in all schools anywhere in the country. It would lessen the chauvinism of Tagalog Nationalists against the Philippines' other indigenous peoples, promote inter-ethnic mutual respect, and uplift most of the Philippines' indigenous ethnic peoples from a minority second class citizen social status.
Many non-official languages fortunately already have a more or less standard literature (including Sugbuanon, Hiligaynon, Ilocano, Kapampangan, etc.. mostly written in the golden age of Philippine literature before WW2 when there little discrimination against these tongues) and also grammar books (ironically written by Christian missionaries of all denominations instead of the country's government). The only thing really needed is to teach these in the classrooms.
For smaller marginalized ethnic peoples, it much more difficult, because these standardized grammar books have to be written first. However, I can assure every language activist that this can be done, even for a language with 5000 or so speakers left.
|Dec-28-10|| ||Check It Out: <visayanbraindoctor>, <twinlark>, <Open Defence> This conversation and the essay from the SOLFED website regarding language and culture diversity caught my attention. My wife is in a PhD program for Information Science with a focus on indigenous language and culture preservation, specifically the Chamorro language from the island of Guam, near the Philippines. When the US took over Guam from the Japanese after WWII, a policy was instituted banning speech/conversation in the native language outside of the home, immediately affecting the baby boom generation. With the continuing corporatization and militarization of the island, it only took that one generation to virtually wipe out fluent conversation in Chamorro. Nowadays, for the most part, only the elder grandparents (manamko) speak it, and they are rapidly dying off. It's a tragedy caused by colonialism and federal or central government domination, otherwise known as fascism/communism, which makes the ongoing push towards supranational governing bodies like the EU and a blanket fiat currency like the euro such a concern. |
The negative subjugation of people and cultures is the back drop to human civilization from the start, but it's my belief that awareness is rising dramatically at this point in time, heading towards a more localized and horizontal type of civilization structure. Sites like SOLFED, though I haven't thoroughly checked it out yet, help this process along.
|Dec-29-10|| ||visayanbraindoctor: Regarding diversity, as is opined in the essay above, increasing diversity seems to be a natural function of the Universe - a very fundamental natural law. The awe and wonderment that we feel in beholding the vast diverse forms in the Universe (or Creation in case you believe in a Designer) may stem from this natural law.|
It follows that any person who advocates biodiversity but wants to kill the identities of ethno-linguistic peoples, or promotes ethno-linguistic diversity but enjoys the extinction of animal and plant species- that person must have something fundamentally paradoxical going on inside his or her brain.
Regarding the ongoing massive extinctions of animal and plant species all over the world, many 'environmentalists' propagandize that the extinction of a single animal species could topple a whole ecosystem in a domino effect.
Here is my opinion on this:
I do not believe the extinction of even the entire Mammalian Class would fundamentally change the natural cycles of the biosphere. The carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, sulfur, water cycles are basically driven by MICROBES, not by mammals, birds, reptiles, and other multi-cellular eukaryotic organisms. Dead organisms will decay; photosynthesis will continue; and the natural cycles will go on with or without mammals or even the entire multi-cellular eukaryote clade.
The biosphere is essentially like an ark whose engine and hull are composed of microbes and the biologically important elements. Multi-cellular eukaryotes are just railings and seats. One can throw them overboard and the boat will still sail.
Kill all the whales? The ocean's ecosystems might change a little, but the fundamental natural cycles and energy flow will continue.
Does this mean it's alright to kill off the whales? Of course not! It goes against the grain of Nature's diversity. We might as well kill off all non-domesticated large mammals, as we would continue to exist as a species anyway. But the Universe would be so much poorer; its wonder and beauty diminished. And if the Universe can speak, it would surely regard such a nihilistic action as adharma, against its foremost natural law.
|Dec-29-10|| ||visayanbraindoctor: <Check It Out> I'm glad you appreciate the discussions above. I fear it's a losing cause without the support of most of the populace. And once a language is dead, for the most part it and the ethno-linguistic people that speaks it is dead forever; and human culture and all of our reality will be so much poorer.|
|Dec-29-10|| ||twinlark: <visayanbraindoctor>|
<Multi-cellular eukaryotes are just railings and seats.>
I was going to post something similar, as I understand that prokaryotes, single celled eucaryotes and acytota still comprise the most significant portion of the planet's biomass, assuming acytota, especially viruses, are in fact biomass.
Nevertheless, I would assume that the sudden removal of the Plant kingdom from the Eucaryote domain would have some effect on the carbon dioxide and nitrogen cycle, and probably some others.
Beyond that, there is probably not much more than 500 million or so years left in the life cycle of our Sun in its present form, and hence major extinctions of the kind envisaged may never have the time to recover before the Sun starts expanding and cooking the Earth's surface.
But the main point you make is IMO beyond debate, that the loss of diversity of even a single species, or language, or culture is a tragedy that reduces previous diversity and shouldn't be countenanced. I recall a debate a while ago when it was assumed that the last smallpox viruses only existed in a British lab (now we know the Russians had them of course)but there was quite a spirited debate about whether the last viruses should be eradicated, depriving us of a unique form of life (regardless of whether it is actually biota).
If only the same passion had been present in arguing for the preservation of threatened languages, cultures, plants, animals and even entire ecosystems.
|Dec-31-10|| ||achieve: <twinlark>
Hi James, stopping by to wish you and your family a happy and healthy New Year!
Not wishing to unnecessarily butt in, but in my humble view you handle the slight irritations remarkably well, and with care-- exemplary. Perhaps an added observation: I guess we all are prone to project some of our inner frustration outward, a primary human defense mechanism, and favoured for obvious reason ;) Point being that if you are accused of a certain negative attitude, chances are it more likely applies to the accuser, than the subject of accusation. Both directions of course.
Anyway, good to see you and Ohio handle yourselves the way you do, showing relatively rare abilities of critical self-reflection, introspection. In public.
My best wishes for 2011 again, I reckon only a few hours away for you now, and feel welcome to drop by anytime. :)
|Dec-31-10|| ||chancho: It's about an hour and a half before the new year in Sydney Australia, but nevertheless, Happy New Year!|
|Dec-31-10|| ||Open Defence: Happy New Year!!! all the best for 2011|
|Dec-31-10|| ||Annie K.: Happy New Year, <twinlark>! :)|
|Dec-31-10|| ||Chnebelgrind: Happy New Year!|
|Dec-31-10|| ||Travis Bickle: Happy New year Twinlark!!|
|Jan-01-11|| ||moronovich: Happy New Year to you as well <twinlark> !|
And may all your bigger and smaller pawns sail through to the most fruitfull touchdowns.
|Jan-01-11|| ||YouRang: Thanks <twinlark> and Happy 2011 to you. :-)|
|Jan-01-11|| ||hms123: <twinlark> Happy New Year! I watched the fireworks at the Harbor Bridge down in your part of the world (on tv unfortunately--next year in person if I am lucky)|
|Jan-01-11|| ||jessicafischerqueen: Here is a New Year story for you-
No doubt you are already familiar with "The Meddybemps Howler"?
|Jan-01-11|| ||kutztown46: Happy New Year, <twinlark>!|
|Jan-04-11|| ||jessicafischerqueen: The Flat Bear cartoon was brilliant-
and your warning was accurate.
What an OUTRAGEOUSLY INAPPROPRIATE website!!!
If you enjoy it, I'm sure you'll enjoy this- not to be missed- possibly the most politically incorrect cartoon in history:
Quote from Linus:
"We gotta hit them sloppy booger-bears and make bank."
|Jan-09-11|| ||jessicafischerqueen: <Doggimus> thanks for taking the time to watch all of that in one go and post such an encouraging response- particularly the detailed on you left on <youtube>, under your infamous pen name of "Tarzan."|
The documentary was only possible because of previous collecting work by cg.com members, <karpova> and <bridgeburner> in particular.
Also, <crawfb5>, <AnnieK>, <David Moody>, <AJ Goldsby>, <chancho>, and <keypusher> all provided invaluable help with exceedingly obscure history points that I'd never have figured out on my own.
|Jan-09-11|| ||jessicafischerqueen: Also, in case you needed to know- here is some of the background information on the infamous "Sasquatch Monkey Trial" at Clackamus Creek, 1952:|
<If the thought of Snowmen trained to toil for farmers seems farfetched, the alternate possibility of these creatures being judged <<<human>>> would be equally: staggering. "Your imagination wouldn't have to stretch too far to see some fascinating political problems if Snowmen are real." an attorney declared.
As a human, they would have the same rights as any other citizen. This would include the right to vote, own property, enter into legal contracts and, of course, be responsible for their acts.>
|Jan-09-11|| ||WBP: <Jess> Just looking in from many parsecs back, but this is a great story--remember reading it when I was younger. (Yeah, a .22 wouldn't do much, onse suspects...)Hopw you're doing really well!|
|Jan-10-11|| ||jessicafischerqueen: <Doggimus>
Wicked email, thanks~
I've replied, but IMPORTANT WARNING.
The old account you mailed me on is hacked, and may send you active code adverts for VIAGRA.
Really- not a joke.
So I emailed you back on my new account which is
Please remember to check your SPAM filter, since it's a new address and it may not get on the big stage first go round.
I advise you to manually block my old email address eh?
"It" sent VIAGRA adverts to the CG.com administrators, and my Mom.
And dozens of other lucky folk.
That *wasn't* wicked.
|Jan-10-11|| ||twinlark: <jess> The emu seems to be stranded.|
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