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The World vs Natalija Pogonina
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Can a group of chess amateurs team up to beat a grandmaster?  Find out in the Chessgames Challenge!  You can vote for the move you think is best, and discuss the game with other members on this page.

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[Natalia Pogonina]

[flip board] GAME OVER: 1/2-1/2 [flip board]

MOVES:
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.g3 Bb4+ 5.Bd2 Be7 6.Bg2 c6 7.O-O O-O 8.Qc2 b6 9.Rd1 Nbd7 10.Bf4 Ba6 11.Nbd2 Rc8 12.Rac1 Nh5 13.Be3 Nhf6 14.Bg5 h6 15.Bxf6 Bxf6 16.b4 Bb7 17.Qb3 Ba8 18.c5 a5 19.a3 Rb8 20.Qc2 Bb7 21.e4 Qc7 22.Nf1 dxe4 23.Qxe4 Rfd8 24.Ne3 Ba6 25.Ng4 Bb5 26.Qc2 axb4 27.axb4 Be7 28.Ra1 h5 29.Ne3 Bf6 30.Ra3 bxc5 31.bxc5 Ra8 32.Rxa8 Rxa8 33.Bf1 Bxf1 34.Kxf1 e5 35.dxe5 Nxe5 36.Qe4 Nd7 37.Qf5 Ra7 38.Qxh5 g6 39.Qg4 Nxc5 40.h4 Ra4 41.Nc4 Qb7 42.Kg2 Qb3 43.Qc8+ Kg7 44.Nd6 Qxd1 45.Ne8+ Kf8 46.Nxf6+ Kg7 47.Ne8+ Kf8 48.Nf6+ Kg7 49.Ne8+ Kf8 50.Nc7+ Kg7 51.h5 Ra1 52.h6+ Kf6 53.Qh8+ Ke7 54.Qe8+ Kd6 55.Qd8+ Nd7 56.Ne8+ Kc5 57.Qe7+ Kb6 58.g4 Ra4 59.Qd8+ Ka6 60.Nf6 Rf4 61.Ne5 Rxf2 62.Kxf2 1/2-1/2
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Sep-28-10  Golden Executive: <kb2ct:
<Golden Executive:>

It use to ne worse with adjourned games.

:0)>

I do not understand your message. I searched google to translate it to my native language but results told me nothing. Please try something else and i´will be so glad to do a properly response. Thanks in advance

Sep-28-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  LIFE Master AJ: <<< Sep-27-10 YouRang: <goslinga><Could someone please comment on my earlier post regarding the 10. ...Bb7 11. Nbd2 line? Is there some consensus that we should not spend more time on this line and concentrate on better lines?> I spent some time looking at it earlier on, and I recall not liking anything that I saw there in terms of both human or engine evaluation. I can't give specific reasons at this time because I flushed the analysis and positions that I had come up with.

IMHO, <10...Bb7 11.Nbd2?!> can be dismissed.>>>

I can concur with this, Nbd2 is just a "safe" move with little else to show for it.

Sep-28-10  ajile: <Eric Schiller: Some people are taking this exhibition much too seriously! Natalia is playing the Olympiad! She should be thinking of nothing else.>

Then she should never have committed to a game if she can't fit it into her incredibly busy schedule.

Sep-28-10  Golden Executive: <ajile: <Eric Schiller: Some people are taking this exhibition much too seriously! Natalia is playing the Olympiad! She should be thinking of nothing else.> Then she should never have committed to a game if she can't fit it into her incredibly busy schedule.>

Yes, i also believe that

Sep-28-10  RandomVisitor: <Golden Executive><I do not understand your message> Perhaps:
It use to be worse with adjourned games.
Sep-28-10  whooops: <Then she should never have committed to a game if she can't fit it into her incredibly busy schedule.>

Yes, and it takes them, Natalie and Peter, only 15' per move. So what. And the other obligations were clear from the start.

The additional time is good for analysis by the team. The uncertainty and negative surprises kill the fun.

Sep-28-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  Check It Out: <Eric Schiller: It is just for fun and of no importance to the chess world or anyone except the participants.>

How ironic to say this game is of no importance to the <chess world>.

I'll bet Umansky, Timmerman, Nickel and Schulman are checking this game out. Indeed, even Kasparov found it of enough importance to play <the world>. Carlsen just played a similar style game against the public. There is a LOT of importance attached to these public vote games. It has to do with spreading the love of chess to a wider audience, and what could be more important to the game of chess?

Pogonina needs to concentrate on the Olympiad, that's obvious. It's the lack of communication that causes some consternation, particularly after the inauspicious start.

Or is it just money that makes a difference for you?

Hey, do we get any $ if we win? We have negotiation power now with wins over some heavy hitters.

Let's turn professional. Then <The World> will get some respect. Of course, feeding us would be a worse nightmare than the Olympiad competitors.

Sep-28-10  WinKing: <Check It Out:Let's turn professional. Then <The World> will get some respect. Of course, feeding us would be a worse nightmare than the Olympiad competitors.>

LOL...A man that thinks like I do - fill the stomachs first - then we play chess.

Sep-28-10  Golden Executive: <RandomVisitor: <Golden Executive><I do not understand your message>

Perhaps:
It use to be worse with adjourned games. >
>

Just a single letter misunderstanding and i blundered !!

I think i need some rest

Sep-28-10  Once: Well, I don't know, but this looks eerily familiar to me. She started out interested in us. We shared the same interests, we had the same outlook on life.

Fate had me playing in love you as my sweet heart.
Act one was when we met, I loved you at first glance
You read your line so cleverly and never missed a cue

But then ... the arguments, the harsh words, the angry times, storming out, the other man.

Then came act two, you seemed to change and you acted strange And why I'll never know.

And now, silence, cold empty silence. We don't talk any more. It even makes me miss the arguments and the harsh words. At least then we had some contact with each other.

Now the stage is bare and I'm standing there
With emptiness all around
And if you wont come back to me
Then they can bring the curtain down.

Heck, it sounds like my first wife all over again.

Sep-28-10  Golden Executive: very good post <Once>!
Sep-28-10  Golden Executive: <blue wave> welcome to 40´s
Sep-28-10  blue wave: Thanks you every one. I had a great day with family and had a picnic and bike rides. Lots of fun. I was having breakfast when she pulled her stunt. I heard her laughing, but she wouldn't say what it was about. Then later, I was very surprised to find her message.
Sep-28-10  blue wave: <Golden Executive> 39. Not far to to go to big 40.
Sep-28-10  Golden Executive: ok, welcome to almost 40´s
Sep-28-10  blue wave: You know I was thinking today about this game (on my birthday I know) don't tell my wife. That the position lableled as a "monstrosity" by You Rang has one thing that I do like.

You know the <10...Bb7 11.Nc3 dxc4 12.Nd2 Nd5 13.Nxc4 Nxf4 14.gxf4 Qc7 15.e3>

Its a very forced line. The team could virtually go in auto pilot for a 5 days. In other words, it could avoid a lot of arguments if we went down that road.

Any way this line has my attention for now. Something about the dynamic imbalance in the postion that draws me like a bug to a light. Just hope its not a high voltage zapper.

Sep-28-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  LIFE Master AJ: I made a new page for our game, please stop by and read it and tell me what you think.

http://www.ajschess.com/lifemastera...

Sep-28-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  LIFE Master AJ: <Sep-28-10 blue wave: You know I was thinking today about this game (on my birthday I know) don't tell my wife. That the position lableled as a "monstrosity" by You Rang has one thing that I do like. You know the <10...Bb7 11.Nc3 dxc4 12.Nd2 Nd5 13.Nxc4 Nxf4 14.gxf4 Qc7 15.e3>

Its a very forced line. The team could virtually go in auto pilot for a 5 days. In other words, it could avoid a lot of arguments if we went down that road.

Any way this line has my attention for now. Something about the dynamic imbalance in the postion that draws me like a bug to a light. Just hope its not a high voltage zapper.>

I had already endorsed 11.Nc3 ... and the line that you gave above. (See my old posts in the engine room, here, and in my forum.)

Sep-28-10  goslinga: <Check It Out> Of course this is important!

From a scientific point of view it is important to know whether a diverse collection of chess players of varying strengths armed with chess computers and in different countries can organize itself to cooperate as an army and whether the resulting army may be stronger than a chess (grand)master with a computer. In a historical context, one might compare this to the slave revolt under Spartacus.

It must be understood that the weaker players amongst us have nothing to lose and that the grandmaster who takes us on has a lot at stake. Also, some of our team members obviously are of Master strength and probably have invested many years of their lives into this game as well as money for computers. We should try to show respect to those people because it is so difficult to achieve mastery in any art, and so unrewarding.

Sep-28-10  goslinga: <LIFE Master AJ> Excellent summary (assuming 10. ...Bb7) and brief! Great for people with short attention spans.

It is more than 40 years ago that I took statistics courses but those winning percentages are not totally meaningful: They should be weighted in some fashion using the ELO difference between the players as well as using the current bias of the position in favor of either color.

Sep-28-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  LIFE Master AJ: <<<<Sep-28-10> goslinga:> <LIFE Master AJ>> Excellent summary (assuming 10. ...Bb7) and brief! Great for people with short attention spans.>

Thanks. I am preety sure that she will play ...Bb7. In that case, 11.Ne5 and 11.Nc3 are the two real moves that we will have to decide between.

Sep-28-10  Thanh Phan: Very nice summary on your page shown <LMAJ> :) many thanks for that
Sep-28-10  kb2ct:

<Golden Executive:>

I am sorry. I am even more prone to typological errors when I post from my phone. What I meant to say is that the Olympiads were even more difficult when games used to be adjourned. Teams of endgame specialists used to analyze all night and explain theory and traps to the players when they woke in the morning.

:0)

Sep-28-10  goslinga: Correction on my last post with mumblings about statistics: The ELO difference between the players should be factored into those percentages on a per game basis. Just some manipulation of probability distributions, not a big deal.
Sep-28-10  Golden Executive: <LIFE Master AJ> You did a great job!!!! Yes you did. I am sure this will be a memorable game. Let´s go World Team (the good one).
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