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Jan-31-20 | | Gejewe: <Atking> The tiebreak rules : a maximum of 4 players allowed into the tiebreak, and in case of a larger number of candidates the performance rating. MVL's performance was one(!) ratingpoint lower than Paravyan's so he was out of contention... Paravyan was just in and went on to win. |
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Jan-31-20 | | Atking: Ok I didn't know Thanks <Gejewe>. I do not like this word in a rational chess but it seems that recently Maxime is not a lucky guy. There is always a detail which put him outside of his real potential. One can argue he should care about but every one has his lucky moment. Not him. To be one of the best 10 most of the time during these last 3 years and not be qualified to the candidates looks to me strange. |
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Jan-31-20 | | paavoh: Regarding MVL, perhaps chess is like golf: Arnold Palmer supposedly said "the more I practice, the luckier I get". Or then there is a slight handicap that prevents MVL being lucky. |
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Jan-31-20 | | Pedro Fernandez: According to a famous mathematician, chess is the devil's game. |
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Jan-31-20 | | WorstPlayerEver: Congrats to Paravyan. Never heard of the guy. |
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Jan-31-20
 | | HeMateMe: It drove Morphy and steinitz crazy.
Steinitz died on Wards Island in NYC, a horrific insane asylum in the grand tradition of 19th century loonie bins. |
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Jan-31-20 | | Pedro Fernandez: My dear <HeMateMe> (BTW, I never told you [because of now I realize!] that if anyone make reference to your Username, you are giving mate to him!! Genial! Why am I so naïve? Lol!), since my nine, my grandfather said me, advice me, study Steinitz, but always you do play 1.e4, but he always played 1.d4! |
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Jan-31-20 | | Pedro Fernandez: <<WorstPlayerEver>: Congrats to Paravyan. Never heard of the guy.> Neither I, the Soviet School my great <WPE>! |
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Jan-31-20 | | dumbgai: The problem with performance rating is that the player with the highest rating is at a disadvantage. If two players make a draw with each other, the lower rated gets a higher performance rating than the higher rated player. |
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Jan-31-20
 | | Diademas: I read what you said <dumbgai>, but I still don't see the problem. |
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Jan-31-20 | | parmetd: I was kinda hoping Wang Hao would win just for extra confidence heading into the candidates. |
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Feb-01-20 | | JustAnotherMaster: I went to the site to watch the last round like i watched the first 9 and its labeled private...huh.....forget this tournament from now on....it is dead to me. |
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Feb-01-20 | | Pedro Fernandez: <<Diademas>: I read what you said <dumbgai>, but I still don't see the problem.> Whut? How is you don't see the problem? How is that my great <Diademas>? Why didn't you apply ``reductio ad absurdum" to refute to Dr. <Dumbguy's> premise? No, no, no! That is unforgivable! I kind of am going to confiscate your Avatar which I love it! |
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Feb-01-20
 | | AylerKupp: <<dumbai> The problem with performance rating is that the player with the highest rating is at a disadvantage. If two players make a draw with each other, the lower rated gets a higher performance rating than the higher rated player.> It may be a disadvantage but that's as it should be. The player with the highest rating achieved that highest rating by having better results than his opponents in previous tournaments (or matches, but those are relatively rate). He is therefore <expected> to outperform his lower-rated opponents. If he doesn't, then he loses performance rating points. It's the same with Elo ratings. The highest rated player loses Elo rating points each time he draws. I don't remember anyone ever considering this to be a problem. If the highest rating player in a tournament considers this to be a problem the solution is simple: Don't draw with lower rated opponents, beat them. Did you expect or believe that in case of a draw both players should neither gain nor loose performance rating or Elo rating points? If so then you are saying that the highest rated player should not be able to play better than his opponents. <Pedro Fernandez> I hope that meets with your approval. I like my avatar (although I implemented it poorly) and I don't want you to confiscate, even though I don't see why you (or anyone else) would want to. |
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Feb-01-20
 | | beatgiant: I thought <dumbgai>'s point was mainly that it isn't a good tiebreaker for a tournament, even if it is the right way to calculate ratings. <dumbgai> maybe post a clarification? |
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Feb-01-20 | | dumbgai: Yes, exactly that. It’s not a good tiebreaker. Imagine a round robin tournament where every game is drawn. The highest rated player would have the lowest performance rating and the lowest rated player would have the highest performance rating. If performance rating is used for the tiebreak, the lowest rated player would win the tournament even though all players were shown to be equal. |
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Feb-01-20 | | Pedro Fernandez: <<Pedro Fernandez> I hope that meets with your approval. I like my avatar (although I implemented it poorly) and I don't want you to confiscate, even though I don't see why you (or anyone else) would want to.> My great <AylerKupp>, indeed your document is out of my powers. Further, it is a Prussian Document certified by The Roman Holly Empire, and after certified by the States, recognizing the pureness of The Greatness <AylerKupp> Family. So I can't do it. |
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Feb-01-20
 | | Diademas: <dumbgai: Yes, exactly that. It’s not a good tiebreaker. Imagine a round robin tournament where every game is drawn. The highest rated player would have the lowest performance rating and the lowest rated player would have the highest performance rating.> Not that anyone should care in such a lackluster event, but in a Swiss I would call that an excellent tiebreaker.
The person who has faced the hardest opposition gets the advantage. In a RR-tournament this wouldn't apply, but the Gibraltar Masters (2020) is a Swiss. |
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Feb-01-20
 | | beatgiant: <Diademas>
<The person who has faced the hardest opposition gets the advantage.>More precisely, <the person who has faced the hardest opposition relative to his own initial level> gets the advantage. For example, if a 2700 player and a 2600 player have faced the same set of players averaging 2650, this tiebreaker decrees that the latter has <faced the harder opposition> because of previous results outside of the tournament. |
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Feb-01-20 | | Pedro Fernandez: Hey <paavoh>, still you don't have me whether your Surname is Finnish or not. Please let me know. Greetings. |
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Feb-01-20
 | | Diademas: <beatgiant: <Diademas>
<The person who has faced the hardest opposition gets the advantage.>
More precisely, <the person who has faced the hardest opposition relative to his own initial level> gets the advantage. For example, if a 2700 player and a 2600 player have faced the same set of players averaging 2650, this tiebreaker decrees that the latter has <faced the harder opposition> because of previous results outside of the tournament.> Let's look at the example in front of us. In a 10 round Swiss with 190 players, the chance of < 2700 player and a 2600 player have faced the same set of players> are very close to zero. And even if they had, they would still have the same tpr, given that they did not face each other. In this tournament, MVL, who got the short end of the stick, faced none of the others with the same number of points. This tiebreaker was also only ment to apply in the unlikely event that more than 4 players ended up with the same number of points. Another thing is that I'm starting to feel for MVL. He seems to have obtained an uncanny ability to edge out of just about everything. |
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Feb-01-20 | | thegoodanarchist: <Top seed Shakhriyar Mamedyarov withdrew before Round 8 for health reasons> Hope it isn't coronavirus. |
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Feb-02-20
 | | beatgiant: <Diademas>
You're right, actually the <TPR> does not depend on the player's own initial rating, so <dumbgai> again needs to clarify the point of the objection. |
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Feb-07-20 | | Sokrates: <Diadenas> ...<Another thing is that I'm starting to feel for MVL. He seems to have obtained an uncanny ability to edge out of just about everything.> Right observation, but I have the opposite reaction. Undoubtedly, MVL is a very strong and sympathetic player, but he has had numerous chances to demonstrate his prowess when it counted, and he has not succeeded. True, he is much better than the holder of the wildcard chosen by Russia, but a contender for the world championship shouldn't make his candidacy dependent on the tiniest margen of admission to the Candidates, less completely failing to qualify like before the last Candidates, where he didn't qualify because of incomprehensibly passive, vague play in his "last-chance" tournament. It's a pity that he can't manage to convert his strength when it counts, but certainly not more than any other of the high-end candidates who failed to qualify. Just IMO, of course. |
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Feb-07-20
 | | Diademas: <Sokrates: <Diadenas> ...<Another thing is that I'm starting to feel for MVL. He seems to have obtained an uncanny ability to edge out of just about everything.> Right observation, but I have the opposite reaction> I'm not saying he deserves the spot for some more or less sentimental reason, just that it must have been a bit frustrating to come so close in as many of the criteria's that he did. He did after all face all comers, unlike Giri who chickened out of the FIDE Grand Swiss to secure his rating qualification to the Candidates. |
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