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Norway Chess Tournament

Alireza Firouzja9.5/15(+7 -3 =5)[games]
Magnus Carlsen9.5/13(+8 -2 =3)[games]
Fabiano Caruana8.5/15(+6 -4 =5)[games]
Levon Aronian7.5/15(+5 -5 =5)[games]
Jan-Krzysztof Duda4.5/13(+3 -7 =3)[games]
Aryan Tari2.5/13(+1 -9 =3)[games]

 page 1 of 2; games 1-25 of 42  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Aronian vs Carlsen ½-½302020Norway ChessE51 Nimzo-Indian, 4.e3
2. A Tari vs Caruana 0-1552020Norway ChessB47 Sicilian, Taimanov (Bastrikov) Variation
3. J K Duda vs A Firouzja 0-1522020Norway ChessB18 Caro-Kann, Classical
4. Aronian vs Carlsen 0-1372020Norway ChessD37 Queen's Gambit Declined
5. Carlsen vs A Firouzja 1-0472020Norway ChessD35 Queen's Gambit Declined
6. Aronian vs A Tari 1-0482020Norway ChessC89 Ruy Lopez, Marshall
7. Caruana vs J K Duda 1-0942020Norway ChessD10 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
8. Carlsen vs A Firouzja ½-½522020Norway ChessD35 Queen's Gambit Declined
9. A Firouzja vs Caruana  ½-½362020Norway ChessA08 King's Indian Attack
10. J K Duda vs Aronian 0-1612020Norway ChessC48 Four Knights
11. A Tari vs Carlsen 0-1452020Norway ChessB69 Sicilian, Richter-Rauzer Attack, 7...a6 Defense, 11.Bxf6
12. A Firouzja vs Caruana 1-0732020Norway ChessD04 Queen's Pawn Game
13. Carlsen vs Caruana 1-0512020Norway ChessE32 Nimzo-Indian, Classical
14. Aronian vs A Firouzja  ½-½312020Norway ChessB18 Caro-Kann, Classical
15. A Tari vs J K Duda  ½-½342020Norway ChessB23 Sicilian, Closed
16. A Tari vs J K Duda 1-0652020Norway ChessB51 Sicilian, Canal-Sokolsky (Rossolimo) Attack
17. Aronian vs A Firouzja 0-1562020Norway ChessB18 Caro-Kann, Classical
18. A Firouzja vs A Tari 1-0502020Norway ChessC53 Giuoco Piano
19. Caruana vs Aronian 0-1522020Norway ChessE20 Nimzo-Indian
20. J K Duda vs Carlsen 1-0632020Norway ChessB15 Caro-Kann
21. A Tari vs A Firouzja 0-1342020Norway ChessB13 Caro-Kann, Exchange
22. Aronian vs Caruana 0-1382020Norway ChessB40 Sicilian
23. Carlsen vs J K Duda 1-0262020Norway ChessD10 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
24. Caruana vs Carlsen ½-½392020Norway ChessB31 Sicilian, Rossolimo Variation
25. A Firouzja vs Aronian  ½-½592020Norway ChessD78 Neo-Grunfeld, 6.O-O c6
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Oct-17-20  Everett: <Messiah> Why be so attached to any single stranger on this planet?
Oct-17-20
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  chancho: <Magnus Carlsen
@MagnusCarlsen 18h

1/2 Lost deservedly in the last round of @NorwayChess today, which luckily did not matter in terms of tournament standings. There certainly were some positive moments, but mostly I felt pretty clueless throughout the tournament. Even long thinks generally resulted in guesses

2/2 Nevertheless happy to be playing over the board and classical again, and a huge thanks to the organizer for making it possible and safe for us. Don't know when I'll be playing a classical tournament again, but I'll be eagerly awaiting the opportunity, and try to improve>

Oct-17-20
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  Sokrates: Thanks, <chancho>.

<...and try to improve> spoken like a true, humble researcher.

Oct-17-20
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  AylerKupp: <<Messiah> On the other hand, the idea of an online slow tournament seems to be very wild, but at the moment I am not able to refute it on an objective basis.>

Refuting concepts on an objective basis is not your strong suit. Better to restrict yourself to posting silly and unjustified comments where you really excel.

Oct-18-20  parmetd: <chancho> I guess that means he kinda agrees with my mixed bag statement.
Oct-18-20
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  Sokrates: It seems that I used <it seems> a lot in one post. It seems that I have to make an apology for that. Sorry! (English is definitely not my prime language.)
Oct-18-20  parmetd: <Sokrates> my friend... not to be mean or nit-picky but to improve your English language skills... one would say "primary" or "1st" or "mother tongue" or "native" rather than "prime." Prime, in this use case, would evoke a giant red pen marking "Word Choice: awkward" from my old grammar teachers.
Oct-18-20
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  hoodrobin: IMVHO they should play OTB with the right protections (including distance), as they did just now. In chess, after all, there is no personal contact. Online tournaments are second choice, to try just for fun.
Oct-18-20
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  hoodrobin: I am thinking of, say, two board play and plexiglas and so on.
Oct-18-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  Sokrates: Dear <parmetd>. I am familiar with <giant red pens> since I used them frequently in my profession as an editor. :-)

I really appreciate and fully welcome your correction - I am eager to learn and fortunately I do that every day. Thank you for the compliment to my calibre!

One of the few skills I am genuinely proud of is my rich Danish language, and you can imagine how hard it is to reduce yourself by 50 % of that quality when you express yourself relatively poorly in another language.

Oct-18-20
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  Messiah: Dear ChessGames staff, when will you upload the remaining games?
Oct-18-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  Sally Simpson: ***

Hurry up C.G. Messiah is champing at the bit to drop a pearl of a post on the Aronian - Carlsen game.

(something along the lines that now Carlsen has now lost 2 of his last 130 games so he should retire.)

----

A good tournament this, I like the scoring system and straight to Armageddon rule, hope other tournaments adopt it and it is forever a fixture.

Wish they had it years ago, it would have stopped the leader(s) taking 8-9 moves draws to seal the first place if those just behind could sneak up with 3pts for a win.

***

Oct-18-20
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  Sokrates: Hi Geoff,

I fully confur with your arguments and conclusion on the scoring system. I hope it will be implemented in future tournaments.

Oct-18-20  parmetd: <Sokrates> I can fully relate to that experience from when I was learning Spanish. It is always frustrating trying to have a conversation in a language when you lack the fullness of your usual vocabulary choice to express the concept you want to say. Anyways, everyone would understand what you mean which is the important part. However, to improve, you need such small corrections. I used lang-8 as a website for improving such written communication though obviously many of us here on chessgames.com would help you as well. For oral conversation, I used italki. Now, in an ironic twist of fate, I am actually helping a company whose long term goal is to create such possibilities. They are launching their first product for Spanish but I hope that English is one of their future target languages.
Oct-18-20
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  Sokrates: Thanks, <parmetd>. I love those small corrections since they refine my language. However, I can't totally escape the fact that I'm 73 now and somehow things don't stick in my memory as they used to.

In my profession I used both English and German a lot, since "my" museum had many international collaborations, and in publishing I sometimes collaborated with a German publishing co., which had world-wide distribution. My German is much better than my English and not many Danes speak German anymore so that made me kind of special in that context.

One of my (few) regrets in life is that I didn't learn a Roman language (French, Spanish, Italian). Sadly, I have to realise that it's too late - sadly because I love all these languages.

Oct-18-20
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  WorstPlayerEver: Kung Fur fighting!
Oct-19-20
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  Tabanus: <Messiah: Why isn't Justin's final round fiasco uploaded yet?> Because for CG, the event is over.

You may volunteer to write an intro to it.

Oct-19-20
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  Sokrates: May I offer one?

Carlsen: "Veni, vidi, vici!".

Oct-19-20
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  Sally Simpson: ***

I'll do the intro Tabanus:

This tournament helped maintain Carlsen's unbeaten run 'outside of Norway' to..er...quite a lot.

Losses inside Norway do not count as Carlsen losses because Carlsen is Norwegian. (see rule 4.).

There were six players, cannot tell you too much about who they are because the official site picture has them all wearing masks (I'm not kidding. Look!) https://norwaychess.no/en/the-playe...

I think the second one down is Caruana, he appears to be going for the Art Garfunkel look, either that or he has stuck an electric cable up his jacksy to improve his blitz/armageddon skill.

The winner, we think was Carlsen (you can still place your bets) but we cannot be too sure as all the games are yet not in.

Do us a favour Tabanus, please post this bit up above, I've just found out my tournament editing access has been removed.

***

Oct-19-20
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  AylerKupp: <<Sokrates> Sorry, but <parmetd> has me on his ignore list so there is no point in addressing this post to him. But he is not correct. "Prime", like "principal" means main and your prime language is the one that you speak most of the time. It has nothing to do with "mother tongue" or "1st" or "native" although, of course, they could be the same. The last 3 ('1st", "mother tongue", or "native") are the languages that you learned first, but not necessarily your main language. For example, the language that I learned first was Spanish, but I have been in the USA for almost 60 years and I don't have too many opportunities to speak Spanish so I consider English as my "prime" language since I am more fluent in it now. For one thing, I couldn't be this verbose in Spanish. :-)

There are still some things for which Spanish is my prime language. I learned my multiplication tables in Spanish so to this day I multiply in Spanish. So it is possible to have one language be your "prime" language but "primarily" do some things in another language.

Oct-19-20  AdolfoAugusto: When is the next elite tournament? (Online, OTB)
Oct-19-20
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  Check It Out: <AylerKupp> Everything you said may be true, but <"English is definitely not my prime language"> sounds odd to my ear. I agree with <parmetd> that a replacement for "prime", like "primary", would make it sound more natural.
Oct-19-20
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  OhioChessFan: Definitely "primary".
Oct-20-20
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  Sokrates: Thanks to all of you, gentlemen. I'm glad that only the word "prime" bothered you. :-) Your discussion made me reconsider "prime" in "prime minister". The word itself is, of course, from latin "primus" and I assume that a prime minister = primus inter pares = first among equals.

My quite comprehensive and thorough English>Danish dictionary offers many examples of connections with "prime", although not "language" directly. But the examples show me that in can't be completely wrong in principle, though it may not be THE combination that is common.

"Main language" occurs on my google searches (and in my dictionary), but it seems to cover the dominant language in a country or region, not an individual. A demographical term, in other words.

I follow your reasonings, <AylerKupp>, but there appears to be more than one take on this. In Danish you would say "hovedsprog" - hoved = head or main / sprog = language (in family with German Sprache and Hauptsprache). Thus I conclude that I won't be far off if I use the term "main language" and I hope this could receive a nod from all of you with English as the prime/primary/main language. :-)

Oct-20-20
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  hoodrobin: <Sokrates: ...it can't be completely wrong in principle, though it may not be THE combination that is common.> In American English it is not common, but it is not wrong in English. I agree with you, Socrates.
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