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Aug-05-21
 | | chancho: Congrats on Duda's winning of the World Cup.
Carlsen smashes Fedoseev again. |
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Aug-05-21
 | | keypusher: Congratulations to Duda! |
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| Aug-05-21 | | fabelhaft: <Nice final for the top event of 2021
K & D have clearly played the best chess here> What about Candidates and title match? As for Karjakin playing clearly better than Carlsen, well, he scored +3 and lost two games while Carlsen scored +8. Much depends on not having a bad day during a tiebreak. But Duda was obviously a very worthy winner. |
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| Aug-05-21 | | macer75: <But Duda was obviously a very worthy winner.> Indeed. Worth noting that Duda didn't lose a single game, classical or rapid, and never had to go to blitz in the tiebreak. |
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| Aug-05-21 | | not not: shame it was not a tournament format so russian boys could compete as a team of two or three Nepo, now it's your turn, your turn to learn that Ball Dont Lie! |
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| Aug-05-21 | | AdolfoAugusto: Does Carlsen have a problem with Fedoseev or he was just venting out & setting an example showing his positional technique? Usually the champ doesn't crush someone ego like that. And it was an slmost 2700 player that he mercilessly mowed aside. |
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Aug-05-21
 | | alexmagnus: <and never had to go to blitz in the tiebreak.> Not even to the "quick rapids". Karjakin never went to blitz either, but reached quick rapids. But as I pointed out before, it's very rare that the <winner> needs to play Blitz. |
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| Aug-05-21 | | Dionysius1: <AdolfoAugusto> I wondered the same thing. I explained it to a non-chess friend as: Carlsen seems a friendly and well adjusted person, but when it comes to chess he does exactly what he thinks he needs to, not just to win tournaments and matches, but to teach himself about how chess works and develop himself. "So he's ruthless then?" she asked me.
"Not so much ruthless," I said. "More that his objectives when competing are entirely about what he needs. I don't think he glories in hurting his opponents, but beating them is what he needs to do on his way to understanding chess better than anyone else ever has. And I think that's all he's interested in when he plays chess". |
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Aug-05-21
 | | 0ZeR0: <AdolfoAugusto> Keep in mind this is Carlsen we're talking about. I would venture that very few people in the world have a greater sense of fighting spirit than him. And given the context that he just failed to reach a final, I think it would be an understatement to say he's upset with himself. Fedoseev likely never had a chance. Now whether this extends to an actual dislike of his opponents, who knows? There have been some great players in the past who would build up a dislike of their opponent in their minds eye before a match in order to stoke their own competitive flames. Korchnoi possibly comes to mind in this regard. |
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| Aug-05-21 | | jphamlore: Duda has arrived and it's a great thing for chess. He is the first player much younger than Carlsen who I think could give Carlsen an interesting match. He is also a university student who nonetheless seems to be deliberately pushing himself to become a universal type of chess player comfortable in any opening. |
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| Aug-05-21 | | not not: Magnus Carlsen
world cup wins 0
doggy inv wins 0
winning last game of match to retain crown 0
radio matches won 0
adjourned games won 0
Soviet GMs beaten at their prime 0
wins vs Fisher 0
total points scored vs Lasker Capa Alekhine 0
number of blindfold simuls vs 50+ opponents 0
games won whilst self medicating with alkohol 0
furniture trashed in hotel rooms after loss 0
games won whilst in hospital or pows camp 0
games won whilst wearing anti-hypnosy glasses 0
games fortified as a protest for toilet restriction 0 not a top 100 player in my book |
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| Aug-06-21 | | Albertan: Jan-Krzysztof wins the 2021 World Cup:
https://worldcup.fide.com/news/tpos... |
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| Aug-06-21 | | nok: <What about Candidates and title match?> The truncated and unfair candidates wasn't enjoyable. The only thing that can rival the Cup is an Interzonal. <As for Karjakin playing clearly better than Carlsen, well, he scored +3...> Carlsen lost to the only top 20 player he encountered. Karjakin's play was phenomenal until the final, where he seemed indifferent. |
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| Aug-06-21 | | notyetagm: <alexmagnus: This is why I said from the beginning on that Carlsen's participation does not <really> affect the Candidates spots. The players MC eliminates before the semifinal have very little chance to get that far anyway, and a loss in the semifinal gives you a chance against another player.> Plus, they are playing to take Magnus' crown.
SO AT SOME POINT THEY WILL HAVE TO BEAT CARLSEN. Why not at the World Cup? Duda did it. |
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| Aug-06-21 | | virginmind: Bravo Duda! |
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| Aug-06-21 | | Albertan: Jan-Krzysztof Duda wins the 2021 FIDE World Cup: https://en.chessbase.com/post/world... |
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Aug-06-21
 | | offramp: Duda is known as the Voivode of Vitriol. |
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| Aug-06-21 | | Dionysius1: Hi <0ZeRO>.
I have it in my mind that MC has said somewhere that his over-riding interest is in understanding chess better than anyone else, and that's my explanation for why he does some things. Not torturing Fedoseev, as <AdolfoAugusto> intimated, more using the opportunity to see what he could understand of crushing/zugswang. And by not accepting a draw against Levon Aronian back in St Louis when it was all he needed (2014 I think it was) to win the tournament - not so much because of his fighting spirit, more because it was an opportunity to learn a bit more about chess against a top opponent. Whether that's right or not, or only partly right, I doubt if there are only a very few in the world with a greater fighting spirit - lots of olympians would have, I think. But the fun of kibitzing is we don't need to prove/disprove anything, just put it out there. Thanks cg.com! |
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Aug-06-21
| | 0ZeR0: <Dionysius1>
I would tend to agree with you that Carlsen probably isn't the type who would use a dislike of their opponent to fuel their competitive drive. He seems too level-headed and objective when it comes to what's on the board for that. I like your explanation of his competitive spirit being linked to a desire to only engage in things which can help him improve at chess. Perhaps my statement about his fighting spirit was a little bit too restrictive. What I essentially meant is that aside from other athletes who are also at the pinnacle of their respective sports, or perhaps also individuals who could be considered masters of a creative endeavor there probably aren't many others with his fighting spirit. <But the fun of kibitzing is we don't need to prove/disprove anything, just put it out there> Indeed! In the end my speculations about Carlsen's motivations here are just that, speculations. But hey, it can be interesting to try to pinpoint just what it is that makes the greats tick, and I think that goes for greats in any context, not just chess. |
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Aug-07-21
 | | Check It Out: This was a great event. Really enjoyed the sustained intrigue and fighting chess. Watching Carlsen trying to get that missing trophy is fun. It's not easy regardless of how good you are, and the goal should keep his fire going for years to come. Congratulations to Duda, he showed that he belongs to the upper echelons of chess competitors. |
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Aug-07-21
 | | Messiah: I'm very happy Justin did not manage to win this tourney. I don't like Poles, but Duda is obviously my favourite over Justin or the putinist dude. |
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| Aug-07-21 | | Albertan: World Cup highlights part 2:
https://en.chessbase.com/post/world... |
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| Aug-07-21 | | Albertan: World Cup highlights part 1:
https://en.chessbase.com/post/world... |
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Aug-07-21
| | 0ZeR0: <Check It Out> I agree with everything in your comment. I find that recently Duda often plays some of the most interesting games in whatever event he's in. And I look forward to him being a staple in elite events hopefully for years to come. |
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| Aug-09-21 | | Albertan: Duda wins the World Cup:
https://chess24.com/en/read/news/ja... |
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