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Jun-26-22 | | metatron2: <Atterdag: Clearly he is dissatisfied with the present system, but I haven't read any specific reason from him [...] 1) A match consumes too much of his energy and time> I think that all the points you mentioned against the WC-match were valid, but it seems like the main reason for Magnus is the time and energy that he needs to put into something that he is not even enjoying. Thinking about it, as time goes by and preparations with engines become deeper and deeper, classical chess is becoming more and more problematic. So faster time controls and chess960 become more popular. The more you know about your opponent, and the more time you have to prepare for him these days, actually makes things <worse>, because there is no end as to how deep u can go with engine analysis and how much u will need to remember. We don't feel it, but sometimes we hear about super computers preps in top level chess, and it gives a hindsight about the amount of work and memorization, these guys have to put in order to keep up with the rest of the field. Having that in mind, the <WC match is the worst> as it can get, because you know who is your opponent months before the match, and you have a very long time to prepare for him. That means that you will need to analyze and memorize gazillion engine lines just to make sure you won't lose due to (super) engine prep of your opponent. So maybe WC match is indeed becoming a very problematic format in our engine-preps era. If they did the match close to the end of candidates tournament, it would have solved most of these problems, but then the champ would have had the advantage of coming fresh while the challenger is tired, so I don't know. |
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Jun-26-22 | | ILikeKeres: Nepomniatchi vs Caruana round 2 will be the game to watch that will potentially decide the whole tourney. |
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Jun-26-22
 | | technical draw: Nakamura is letting his win slip away. |
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Jun-26-22 | | ossipossi: R.J.F. syndrome, M.C. variant. |
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Jun-26-22
 | | keypusher: <metatron2>
Good post.
<So maybe WC match is indeed becoming a very problematic format in our engine-preps era.> I think this is right. Especially if you’ve played a several already. |
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Jun-26-22
 | | Check It Out: Naka finally converts. Further proof that the Americans are not fixing world chess (: |
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Jun-26-22
 | | technical draw: Well so much for my theory. Caruana resigns and Nakamura wins. |
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Jun-26-22 | | fisayo123: What an excellent game by Naka. Rolling back the years. |
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Jun-26-22 | | et1: I have never seen such an unbalanced tournament at this level. If the last match is drawn after eight rounds the player in first place will have the double points of the players in seventh and eight. - six versus three. This is very uncommnon. Sometimes it may happen in the women's game but not in men's. May be the COVID-19 made players bolder. |
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Jun-26-22 | | offramp: 6 hours of very hard, tiring chess - at move 74 Caruana resigned: 1-0. Well done to Naka. |
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Jun-26-22
 | | saffuna: Firouzja and Radjabov are tied for last place. They're still fighting at move 66. |
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Jun-26-22
 | | Sally Simpson: Hi Clem,
'...with hopes of not provoking the fury of Sally Simpson.' Not at all. I like the song, I chose the name.
I also like 'Happy Jack,' I could have been that or 'Boris the Spider'...but it was never going to be 'Mary Anne with the Shaky Hand.' |
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Jun-26-22 | | AdolfoAugusto: We need a bolder Naka, bring back the King Indian! |
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Jun-26-22 | | nok: <metatron2: If they did the match close to the end of candidates tournament, it would have solved most of these problems,> I agree, the final match should take place in the wake of the tournament. <but then the champ would have had the advantage of coming fresh while the challenger is tired> The winner of the last edition should play the main event like everyone else. |
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Jun-26-22 | | jphamlore: I have considerable sympathy for the players of today, because many of the "winning" positions are similar to positions where even an Emanuel Lasker could really benefit from at least from the physical rest of having adjournments: Lasker vs Capablanca, 1935 I am really glad for the good of the sport that Nakamura was able to eventually convert his won position, despite generally fantastic resistance from Caruana running low on time. The science of stiff resistance even in lost positions has I believe increased considerably over the years at the top levels of chess. |
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Jun-26-22
 | | PawnSac: < offramp: 6 hours > clash of the titans |
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Jun-26-22
 | | PawnSac: If Naka & Fabi could both deal Nepo a loss we,d have a whole new thing going on here. Id really like to see Naka have a title shot. |
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Jun-27-22
 | | technical draw: For those who wish to have a higher rating think about this: Ding Liren has a 2806 ELO yet he loss a game to a lower rated player. Fischer might have said, "I don't believe in ratings. I believe in good moves." |
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Jun-27-22 | | Atterdag: Great post, <metatron2>. I completely agree with you on the influence of computers. This development is irreversible, but is it good for the game? The original idea of our ancient beloved game was to challenge the HUMAN mind. In the beginning the computer programmes (cp) were assistants to the players, now it seems to me that the players have become assistants to the cp's. Independent pure human thinking is up against those who are best at transporting the perfection of cp's to the board. What has become of human ingenuity and original thought? The drivers and motivation of the original game. All shred in favour of the cp's perfection. Good for the game? Yes, if you regard chess as an intellectual puzzle, a problem that should be solved. No, if you regard the game as a battle between humans of flesh and blood, with all their imperfection and shortcomings. Even the fastest runner on earth can't compete with the physical most incapable motor cyclist. But this analogy is not accepted when it comes to mind aid - why? I know this is now regarded as a sentimental, romantic viewpoint, but I don't think the facination of cp's has done any good for the thrill of the game. Who wants to see a game between two cp's? I know, Judit Polgar doesn't, as she remarked in this last round. Perfection is great for perfectionists. I treasure the imperfection and brilliancy of the human mind. After all, it was that mind that created the game. |
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Jun-27-22
 | | saffuna: I agree to some extent. One thing I've noticed is that the experience of watching a game with the chessbomb evaluations on the screen, and just watching the moves, or listening to analysts on the broadcasts, are very different. |
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Jun-27-22
 | | HeMateMe: the best players will have to work harder than ever in their prep, to find a way to unbalance a position that does not entail excessive risk. If MC no longer wants to put in this kind of work, fine. He can go to college with Hou Yifan and they can both major in art history. Somehow, I think being the best male or best female chess player in the world would be more exciting, a more rewarding career, but that's just me. |
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Jun-27-22
 | | Sally Simpson: Two good posts and points (Atterdag and Metatron.) Of course there is lot more to it than simply memorising computer opening variations but computers, and they are not going to go away, are having a say in what is going on at the very top level. FIDE are trying to address the problem with no increment till move 40. If it has to be a World Championship Tournament with the top 10 then how about borrowing the idea from New York 1924 (even back then they had the so called opening prep problem.) The players did not know who they were playing or indeed what colour they would be playing with till 15 minutes before the start of the game. See; New York (1924) (kibitz #66) Towards the end of the tournament you may be able to work out who and what colour you will have but by then it could be too late to have an influence. |
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Jun-27-22 | | Atterdag: Thanks, Geoff,
Your idea of revitalising the rules of the famous NY 1924 tournament appeals to me. It is already one of my all-time favourite tournaments, also because one of my all-time favourite players won it in front of Capa, Alekhine and the rest of the bunch. There have been numerous discussions about the extent of world champion privileges. I have always protected the present privileges because I treasure the prestige of the WC title. But perhaps the whole idea of a match between the champ and the challenger should be abandoned and replaced with a big double round robin between the 10-12 best players - INCLUDING the reigning champ. The WC should have these privileges:
1) he keeps the title for 3 years.
2) he automatically gets a spot in the next WC tournament. This should offer enough motivation to strive for the title, it should maintain the prestige of the title, and it would integrate the WC much more in the elite group of players. In a long double-robin tournament with 12 players, there is no excuse for not winning it - as there can be no doubt about the absolute legitimacy of calling the winner the champion of the world. Voila! Get movin' FIDE!
PS: There should be no risk of conspiration like in Curacao. Not your countrymen, but the cp would be your best sparring partner. PPS: Written on my 5th day of Covid. Everything tastes burnt & bitter! :-) |
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Jun-27-22
 | | Stonehenge: Caruana vs Nepomniachtchi, 2022 I guess silly Stonehenge will enter the moves manually, more or less live. |
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Jun-27-22 | | nok: <a big double round robin between the 10-12 best players - INCLUDING the reigning champ.> That's a great idea, Atterdag. It seems corona only made you stronger. |
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