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| Sep-04-23 | | boz: Speaking of cheese.com, I see that Rensch has recruited Judit Polgar. I think he wants to conquer the cheese world and won't be happy until everyone is in his employ. |
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Sep-04-23
 | | Check It Out: Yep. Chess players want to make that cheese. |
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Sep-04-23
 | | Atterdag: Congrats to Carlsen. Beating the young genius Firouzja by +5 -1 =2 is quite an achievement, even for the former. Who afterwards called himself lucky, since he felt out of form in their two matches. Firouzja missed a couple of chances, one even in a winning position, but who wouldn't be prone to mistakes facing Carlsen in complicated positions when the clock is ticking? It will be interesting to see who of the young generation will emerge as the next world champion. We have seen quite a few youngsters lightening the sky for a brief moment and then slowly disappear again. |
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| Sep-04-23 | | boz: Plenty of talent out there but I don't see anyone in Magnus' league just yet. Even when Magnus was a teen it was apparent that that something unique and wonderful was taking shape. No such thing on the horizon for now. |
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Sep-04-23
 | | MissScarlett: <There will be a day when I will be the best chess player in the world.> https://twitter.com/HansMokeNiemann... |
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| Sep-04-23 | | Saniyat24: where are the games between Wesley So and Lazavik? |
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| Sep-04-23 | | boz: <Sep-04-23 MissScarlett: <There will be a day when I will be the best chess player in the world.> https://twitter.com/HansMokeNiemann... I like Hans so I hope his prediction comes true, but when I think of "Magnus" caliber, I'm thinking of a dominant force. One or more of the new generation will someday be number one, but I can't see any of them dominating the way Magnus does. |
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Sep-04-23
 | | Sally Simpson: Yet another chess.comedy event. Words like Mickey and Mouse are coming to mind. It's a wonder Walt Disney does not get involved. They are turning Chess into a video game and this place is encouraging them by soiling the OTB database with chewing gum games. |
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Sep-04-23
| | Check It Out: It's "content". Slow games don't put eyeballs on the screen. Rapid/blitz games with live commentary streams monetize the game. |
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Sep-05-23
| | Sally Simpson: The last 50 moves (60-110) of this Caruana vs Carlsen, 2023 must have been captivating. If that game had appeared in an OTB tournament book the moves from 60 onward would be noteless and prefaced with '...for completeness the remaining moves were.' and we would skip that bit. It's not for me but if people want to watch it, fair enough. I think people may eventually get bored with it. |
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| Sep-05-23 | | boz: I take CIO's point about monetization and I do want to see chess professionals thrive, but the cheese.com approach to my mind is cheapening the game. It's unclear what the long-term effect will be. Are we even sure these quick and disposable events draw more eyeballs? I see that the Carlsen-Firouzja final in this event has 393k views on youtube. But the Carlsen-Pragg game 2 final, a classical game in the FIDE world cup, has 3.4 million views. I'm not sure where we're going to end up with this new direction chess is heading in but grabbing as much money as you can as quickly as possible isn't always the best strategy in the long run. The part that disturbs me, though is that cheese.com seems to be trying to gain a monopoly over the business of chess. They are buying up everything and everyone. I can't see that as a good thing. Side note. Be careful not to make any mildly critical comments about cheese.com on one their YouTube channels. Your post will be erased within 24 hours. |
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| Sep-05-23 | | boz: Correction: 33k views for Carlsen - Firouzja.
I think the key to the fully online rapid and blitz model is that these events are a lot cheaper to stage. |
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Sep-05-23
| | Sally Simpson: Hi Boz,
Without a doubt it is the very low cost organisers find attractive. It is slightly unfair as a lot will depend, especially in time trouble, on what type of kit you have and how good is your server. Of course the top players will have super kit but it is an element of the game that you do not see or need in OTB chess. It served chess well during Covid so no complaint there, but even then I could not get into watching live online games...it's just not chess. |
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Sep-05-23
| | Check It Out: Hi <SS> I feel the pain. cheese.com is trying to take over the chess world, and they very well may succeed. Danny Rensch strikes me as a true chess fan so that's good, but there is a slippery slope ahead for the world of chess: The coveted title World Chess Champion is in disarray with an absentee crown holder. Junk speed chess has overtaken classical chess. Folks like Carlsen and even Caruana find more joy in rapid play. Cheating is an issue that is not going away.
Engines are turning chess players brains to mush. Gotta stay positive though. Otherwise we will just be curmudgeons and negative Nellie's. E.g. chess is more popular than ever. There are tournaments all the time for chess fans to watch and play in. Educational materials have never been more in abundance. It's not all bad. |
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Sep-05-23
| | Atterdag: That's a pretty good summary of what's going on in the world of chess these days, <CIO>. I agree with most it. I had to consult my dictionary on <curmudgeons>, though! :-) <It's not all bad> yes, true, but I can also follow Geoff's concerns that it might end in a circus trivializing the intellectual depths that we all once were attracted to and highly appreciate. I have no answer to all this. |
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Sep-06-23
 | | Troller: I have little to add to the above grumpy old men's tirades, they seem to have a point. But the cg.com standings is useless for this type of event. Moreover, the link leads to the general homepage for this "championschesstour"; correct would be: https://championschesstour.com/juli... Here one can actually find the tournament tree and results. |
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Sep-06-23
 | | keypusher: https://www.cheese.com/
Delicious! |
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| Sep-06-23 | | Cassandro: I too, second what the above esteemed grumpy old gentlemen had to say about the current state of affairs. It's strange; in many ways chess has never been more popular and "mainstream" than it is now, but at the same time chess seems less relevant today, if that makes any sense. Our wonderful game is slowly losing its soul.
But we'll always have the memories, and the games, |
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Sep-07-23
| | Check It Out: <key> hah! Its about time someone did that. Pertinent analogy: old school chess is like a well-aged gouda, a crumbled gorgonzola on heated and split figs, or a nice brie. New school is like Velveeta. |
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Sep-07-23
| | Atterdag: ... and some chess is Baby Del.
Wonderful site - thanks for the link, <keypusher>. I just wonder where the owners are located. The site doesn't even reveal the country - unless I missed something ... |
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Sep-07-23
 | | HeMateMe: I suspect hologram chess will be a future amusement, and not so far off. Regular wood pushers like myself will be able to sit down against an extremely real looking hologram of Bobby Fischer or Mag Carlsen and play chess. One will be able to set the playing abilities of such visages to any strength one wishes. Imagine: you have a Misha Tal hologram before you, but have weakened his playing strength to 2000, yet he keeps his AI built in attacking tendencies. One could have acres of fun with such products! |
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Sep-07-23
| | Sally Simpson: Great idea HeMateMe,
You could have a Holodeck like they do on Star Trek and recreate Hastings 1895. Then you wander around the playing hall looking at the players playing out these historic games. What an atmosphere. The players getting up and looking at each others games, the ticking of the clocks....and even smelling Lasker's cigar smoke. Witness first hand Steinitz vs Von Bardeleben, 1895 only this time von Bardeleben would not be allowed to leave the room. Make it so. |
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| Sep-07-23 | | Cassandro: <HeMateMe: Hologram Chess> That's actually a really cool idea. Sign me up. |
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Sep-07-23
| | HeMateMe: VR helmets are just the beginning. I'm thinking sex will drive the hologram industry. |
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Sep-09-23
| | Atterdag: ...
"Mr. Marx. Do you believe in computer dating?"
"Only if the computers really love each other!" |
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