chessgames.com
Members · Prefs · Laboratory · Collections · Openings · Endgames · Sacrifices · History · Search Kibitzing · Kibitzer's Café · Chessforums · Tournament Index · Players · Kibitzing

🏆
TOURNAMENT STANDINGS
Mar del Plata Tournament

Gideon Stahlberg13/17(+9 -0 =8)[games]
Miguel Najdorf12.5/17(+9 -1 =7)[games]
Erich Eliskases11.5/17(+6 -0 =11)[games]
Ludwig Engels11/17(+8 -3 =6)[games]
Paulino Frydman11/17(+7 -2 =8)[games]
Moshe Czerniak9.5/17(+7 -5 =5)[games]
Movsa Feigin9.5/17(+7 -5 =5)[games]
Carlos Enrique Guimard9.5/17(+7 -5 =5)[games]
Julio Bolbochan9/17(+6 -5 =6)[games]
Paul Michel8/17(+3 -4 =10)[games]
Franciszek Sulik8/17(+4 -5 =8)[games]
Juan Vinuesa8/17(+5 -6 =6)[games]
Jacobo Bolbochan7.5/17(+4 -6 =7)[games]
Ilmar Raud6.5/17(+2 -6 =9)[games]
Juan Traian Iliesco6/17(+4 -9 =4)[games]
Marcos Luckis5.5/17(+1 -7 =9)[games]
Victor Winz4.5/17(+3 -11 =3)[games]
Sonja Graf-Stevenson2.5/17(+0 -12 =5)[games]
*

Chessgames.com Chess Event Description
Mar del Plata (1941)

Mar del Plata (Argentina), 15 March - 2 April 1941

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Pts 1 Stahlberg * 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 13 2 Najdorf * 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 1 1 12 3 Eliskases * 1 1 1 1 1 1 11 4 Engels 0 * 1 1 1 0 1 1 1 1 0 1 11 5 Frydman 0 * 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 11 6 Czerniak 0 0 1 * 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 1 9 7 Feigin 0 0 0 * 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 1 9 8 Guimard 0 0 0 0 1 * 1 1 1 0 1 1 1 9 9 Bolbochan, Ju 0 0 0 1 0 0 * 1 1 1 1 1 9 10 Michel 0 1 0 0 * 0 1 1 8 11 Sulik 0 0 0 0 * 1 1 0 1 1 8 12 Vinuesa 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 * 1 1 1 1 8 13 Bolbochan, Ja 0 0 0 0 0 0 * 1 1 1 1 7 14 Raud 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 * 1 6 15 Iliesco 1 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 * 0 6 16 Luckis 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 * 1 5 17 Winz 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 * 4 18 Graf-Stevenson 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 * 2

(Crosstable source: "Chess Results 1941-1946", page 32, by Gino Di Felice (his source: "American Chess Bulletin 1941", page 28))

Tournament book: Luis Argentino Palau (ed.), El torneo de Mar del Plata 1941 (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/969wqags...)

This tournament event was compiled by User: Pawn and Two : Game Collection: Mar del Plata 1941

 page 1 of 7; games 1-25 of 153  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Guimard vs Eliskases 0-1391941Mar del PlataD57 Queen's Gambit Declined, Lasker Defense
2. Najdorf vs Stahlberg  ½-½301941Mar del PlataD30 Queen's Gambit Declined
3. M Feigin vs M Czerniak  ½-½531941Mar del PlataE60 King's Indian Defense
4. Graf-Stevenson vs M Luckis  ½-½551941Mar del PlataE32 Nimzo-Indian, Classical
5. Bolbochan vs V Winz  1-0451941Mar del PlataC05 French, Tarrasch
6. P Frydman vs P Michel  ½-½561941Mar del PlataD34 Queen's Gambit Declined, Tarrasch
7. L Engels vs J Vinuesa  1-0561941Mar del PlataB73 Sicilian, Dragon, Classical
8. J Traian Iliesco vs I Raud  0-1481941Mar del PlataA13 English
9. F Sulik vs J Bolbochan  1-0461941Mar del PlataB74 Sicilian, Dragon, Classical
10. Eliskases vs V Winz 1-0411941Mar del PlataE09 Catalan, Closed
11. I Raud vs Najdorf  0-1341941Mar del PlataA15 English
12. M Czerniak vs Graf-Stevenson 1-0661941Mar del PlataC25 Vienna
13. P Michel vs M Feigin  ½-½391941Mar del PlataC17 French, Winawer, Advance
14. Guimard vs L Engels  0-1421941Mar del PlataD52 Queen's Gambit Declined
15. J Vinuesa vs J Traian Iliesco  1-0551941Mar del PlataE85 King's Indian, Samisch, Orthodox Variation
16. Stahlberg vs P Frydman  ½-½401941Mar del PlataD55 Queen's Gambit Declined
17. M Luckis vs F Sulik  ½-½551941Mar del PlataD62 Queen's Gambit Declined, Orthodox, Rubinstein Attack
18. J Bolbochan vs Bolbochan  ½-½311941Mar del PlataD95 Grunfeld
19. L Engels vs Eliskases ½-½421941Mar del PlataB15 Caro-Kann
20. Najdorf vs J Vinuesa ½-½681941Mar del PlataD28 Queen's Gambit Accepted, Classical
21. F Sulik vs M Czerniak  0-1301941Mar del PlataC14 French, Classical
22. Graf-Stevenson vs P Michel  0-1351941Mar del PlataD02 Queen's Pawn Game
23. V Winz vs J Bolbochan  0-1261941Mar del PlataE33 Nimzo-Indian, Classical
24. M Feigin vs Stahlberg  0-1491941Mar del PlataD44 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav
25. Bolbochan vs M Luckis  ½-½561941Mar del PlataE32 Nimzo-Indian, Classical
 page 1 of 7; games 1-25 of 153  PGN Download
  REFINE SEARCH:   White wins (1-0) | Black wins (0-1) | Draws (1/2-1/2)  

Kibitzer's Corner
Apr-05-20  chesshistoryinterest: <hemy> has provided a link to the tournament book in his post on Biographer Bistro here: Biographer Bistro (kibitz #20531)

The tournament ended on 2 April 1941.

Apr-05-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  Tabanus: Seven games (by Feigin) have no date. Dates according to Palau's tournament book:

Rd. 2: Michel vs Feigin 1/2 <March 16>
Rd. 4: Raud vs Feigin 0-1 <March 18>
Rd. 5: Feigin vs Vinuesa 1-0 <March 19>
Rd. 6: Guimard vs Feigin 1-0 <March 20>
Rd. 8: Traian vs Feigin 0-1 <March 22>
Rd. 13: Sulik vs Feigin 0-1 <March 27>
Rd. 17: Luckis vs Feigin 1/2 <March 31>

Can be added unless other sources have them played on e. g. 1 or 2 april.

Sep-16-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  Benzol: <Pawn and Two> has put together a number of tournament and match collections and although it's not indicated here as yet I believe this tournament page is based on one of them.
Sep-16-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  jessicafischerqueen:

<Tabanus> Thanks brah. I uploaded those Feigin games from 365Chess, which gave the rounds but not the dates. Thanks to you I was able to add the dates now!

Sep-17-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  Tabanus: You're welcome. It remains to remove some duplicates, it should be 9 x 17 = 153 games if all were played.
Sep-17-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  jessicafischerqueen:

<Tab> I don't understand how duplicates can get into a TI event?

Does it have something to do with the relationship between gids and tids?

Sep-17-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  jessicafischerqueen:

<Benzol, Tab>

<Benzol> yes this event was indeed collected by <Pawn and Two>: Game Collection: Mar del Plata 1941

<Tab> yes the TI version has four duplicates, since it shows 157 games. You can see that <Pawn and Two's> original collection has the correct 153 games.

Did this happen because the pgn Upload Utility allowed duplicate submissions through the gate?

I'm not sure how that can happen either. Doesn't the Utility have explicit coding to prevent that from happening?

Sep-17-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  jessicafischerqueen:

<Tab> I'm going to collect the duplicates now.

Starting with two pairs from Juan Traian Iliesco

P Frydman vs J Traian Iliesco, 1941

P Frydman vs J Traian Iliesco, 1941

==================

Stahlberg vs J Traian Iliesco, 1941

Stahlberg vs J Traian Iliesco, 1941

Sep-17-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  jessicafischerqueen:

M Luckis vs F Sulik, 1941

M Luckis vs F Sulik, 1941

==============

P Frydman vs P Michel, 1941

P Frydman vs P Michel, 1941

Sep-17-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  jessicafischerqueen:

<Tab> Ok I found and posted the 4 (four) duplicates. Once we get rid of them then we are back to the correct 153 games for the event.

Now one of us should submit a correction slip. Do you want to do it or should I do it amirite.

Sep-17-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  jessicafischerqueen:

<Benzol> Now I credited <Pawn and Two> as the creator on the Tournament page. Good catch man!

Sep-17-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  Tabanus: Perhaps CG's ghost duplicates are now visible? Yikes. You submit please, they don't want any more slips from me.
Sep-17-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  jessicafischerqueen:

Ghosts? Good heavens.

Sep-17-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  Tabanus: https://media2.s-nbcnews.com/j/news...

The COVID quarantine was lonely and isolating. Then Bigfoot stepped in, greeting bypassers with a Star Wars Rebel Alliance flag.

Sep-17-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  jessicafischerqueen:

Ok correction slips sent for all the duplicate games now.

Sep-21-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  Tabanus: But no Annie to handle them. Perhaps next year?

NOTE: Create an account today to post replies and access other powerful features which are available only to registered users. Becoming a member is free, anonymous, and takes less than 1 minute! If you already have a username, then simply login login under your username now to join the discussion.

Please observe our posting guidelines:

  1. No obscene, racist, sexist, or profane language.
  2. No spamming, advertising, duplicate, or gibberish posts.
  3. No vitriolic or systematic personal attacks against other members.
  4. Nothing in violation of United States law.
  5. No cyberstalking or malicious posting of negative or private information (doxing/doxxing) of members.
  6. No trolling.
  7. The use of "sock puppet" accounts to circumvent disciplinary action taken by moderators, create a false impression of consensus or support, or stage conversations, is prohibited.

Please try to maintain a semblance of civility at all times.

Blow the Whistle

See something that violates our rules? Blow the whistle and inform a moderator.


NOTE: Please keep all discussion on-topic. This forum is for this specific tournament only. To discuss chess or this site in general, visit the Kibitzer's Café.

Messages posted by Chessgames members do not necessarily represent the views of Chessgames.com, its employees, or sponsors.
All moderator actions taken are ultimately at the sole discretion of the administration.

Spot an error? Please suggest your correction and help us eliminate database mistakes!

Copyright 2001-2021, Chessgames Services LLC