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|Aug-29-06|| ||jamesmaskell: [wails] NOOOOOOO! Carlsen cost me 50...I hope he cries himself to sleep for this...|
|Aug-29-06|| ||Xaurus: <jamesmaskell>I doubt he'll cry, after all he got the ticket for Amber 2007... :)|
|Aug-29-06|| ||doremi: My comp crashes often at chessgames.com recently. Anyone has the same experience? I suspect a recent update did it, either from chessgames.com or from MS on my own comp|
|Aug-29-06|| ||jamesmaskell: I will!|
|Aug-29-06|| ||virginmind: doremi: i don't get crashes. and this live video feed is just awesome! very good quality on full screen, i can perfectly see where they put the pieces when moving so i don't even need to watch the moves being posted on the site. great job, bestuuronline.nl!!|
|Aug-29-06|| ||virginmind: they don't even interrupt the live feed between rounds. and the camera well positioned so you can also see the audience. so nice!|
|Aug-29-06|| ||virginmind: this kind of video transmition must be the refference from now on. if they can do it, why anybody elsewhere at great tournaments won't?|
|Aug-29-06|| ||jamesmaskell: Yep, the video quality is expected next month. The upcoming Topalov-Kramnik match must be top notch on everything. San Luis was pretty good internet wise. This must be perfect as theres only two people.|
With the internet so frequently used this match should be followed at every single turn. Theres no excuse if quality falls.
|Aug-29-06|| ||Albertan: Jussupow - Smeets,Analysis by Hiarcs:
41.Kd2 Rg3 42.Bf5 h4 43.Rd4 Rf8 44.Rd6 Rg5 45.Bh3 Rxe5 46.Rh6 Rf2+ 47.Kd1 Rd5+ 48.Ke1 Rxa2 49.Rh7+ Kd8 50.Rh8+ Kc7 51.Rxh4
(-3.27) Depth: 14/41
|Aug-29-06|| ||PhilFeeley: I often find the video to be jerky and sometimes freezes. It also is ahead of the pgn or lags behind it. Both are annoying.|
|Aug-29-06|| ||PhilFeeley: Full screen doesn't always work either.|
|Aug-29-06|| ||Albertan: Yusupov resigned|
|Aug-29-06|| ||Rawprawn: They only had 5-600 people logged in at any one time. Will a world match have the band width or whatever to handle it? I hope so. Great if they do, but I don't want to be shut out of all the key moments again like I was with Kramnik Leko.|
|Aug-29-06|| ||doremi: copied from the official site <The members of the winning team won 2000 € each, the members of the losing team won 1000 € each> I am shocked at the low monetary prizes, that's for 10 days of work excluding travel time, opening ceremony, rest day, closing ceremony, and travel time back home. I assume that travel and hotel expenses are paid for by the organizers, but without any appearance fees and perhaps other fees that are not made public, the 'youth' could not even pay for their seconds from their prize money. Perhaps that's the reason why the 'experienced' did not bring any seconds with them in the first place. |
Anyway, Steinitz died a pauper, Kasparov is a millionaire, and I like to believe against the quoted facts of this NH tournament that the conditions for top players have improved. Awarding such little money to a Ljubojevic or any of the 'experienced' for their efforts is an insult.
|Aug-29-06|| ||notyetagm: Wow, what a disaster for Karjakin. Didn't this exact same thing happen to Topalov at Linares, getting a drawing line when needing a win?|
From the NH chess site:
<'Unbelievable. There's just one forced draw in the Queen's Gambit Accepted and that's what we got on the board.' Sergey Karjakin was visibly unhappy after his game against Alexander Beliavsky had ended in a draw after a mere 10 moves. Obviously the Ukrainian had hoped to play a fighting game to put pressure on Carlsen, who he was trailing by half a point at the start of this last round. Now he knew that only a loss of the Norwegian would keep his hopes alive. Beliavsky described their brief skirmish as a 'psychological game'. He had expected Karjakin to play the Slav Defence and concentrated on that opening in his preparation. When his opponent chose the QGA he decided to deviate from his normal 6.Bd3 and went for 6.Bb3. 'I knew exactly what sharp line he was hoping for, but as I had not checked my notes on the 6.Bd3 lines I decided not to take that risk.' Karjakin made his 'decisive mistake' on move 7. Here he could have played 7…Bf5 followed by …e6 and the game continues. After 7…Bg4, Beliavsky forced the draw with the well-known 8.Ng5. 'The alternative would be 8.Be3, but then in my opinion Black may already be slightly better.'>
|Aug-29-06|| ||sitzkrieg: <doremi> i think the 2000 comes extra upon the ordinary payment. If conditions would have been bad the players wouldnt have come. I think the organization and sponsors did a very good job.|
|Aug-29-06|| ||sitzkrieg: "The Tournament Rules (Extract)
2. Prize-fund: each player of the winning team receives € 2000, the players of the losing team receive € 1000 each. In case of a 25 – 25 tie, each player receives € 1500.
In addition each player receives € 500 for each point he scores."
I think we can assume that travelling costs, stay in the hotel and seconds will have been payed by the organizers.
|Aug-29-06|| ||doremi: I disagree completely with sitzkrieg. Only the top 5 players or so can make a comfortable living from chess. The rest of the top 100 and beyond cannot. This has been stated in public by players from Morozevic to Nakamura and many others. Grischuk, for example, earns more from his poker these days then from his chess.|
Not that NH did not do a good job, but the sad fact is that NH could sponsor chess very cheaply because of the general market conditions. It would cost perhaps a hundred times more to sponsor a corresponding tennis tournament, if not more.
I am appalled to see how bad the conditions for top chess players really are, NH is a case in point.
|Aug-29-06|| ||sapfy: <doremi: I disagree completely with sitzkrieg. Only the top 5 players or so can make a comfortable living from chess. The rest of the top 100 and beyond cannot.>|
There are certainly select people outside of the top 10 who probably do ok, like Van Wely and Vallejo.
<Grischuk, for example, earns more from his poker these days then from his chess.>
Not that I doubt it, but how do you know?
<Not that NH did not do a good job, but the sad fact is that NH could sponsor chess very cheaply>
I wouldn't call 40k euro in cash prizes and travel and lodging for all participants, including a second for all members of the Rising Stars team, cheap.
Overall, this event must have cost quite a bit of money to put on.
<It would cost perhaps a hundred times more to sponsor a corresponding tennis tournament, if not more.>
So what? Tennis is one of the most popular non-team spectator sports in the world. Chess is not and never will be. I'm just happy that there are people who can and do make a decent living from it.
|Aug-29-06|| ||doremi: I don't think you ever had to support a family, and you don't have your facts straight either. Chess players earn 10 times to 100 times less than in other professional sports, if not worse, even in the top 5, where it does not really matter. It gets appalling not much further down. |
All of this have been discussed ad nauseum elsewhere, I just want to vent my disgust here. (I am not a professional chess player, BTW, I am just disgusted at their lot)
|Aug-29-06|| ||Mameluk: Everyone means something else with making good living, but I know many professionals outside top 100, and they don´t seem to starve. Of course, they don´t buy new cars or complexes of houses. I think top 100-200 players can make a living from playing chess. But there are 2400+ professionals writing articles, books, training pupils and trying to persuade rich parents that their kid has talent. With high unemployment, there are more and more such profi´s. |
Nakamura is American and believes, that who is not millionaire is a bad loser. Moro on the other hand once said, that top 20 earns unbeliavable money, considering low popularity of chess. That he would play even for less:)
|Aug-29-06|| ||percyblakeney: Rating changes according to echecs.com:
|Aug-29-06|| ||L13: <Mameluk> Moro is a bit like Kasparov in consistency; one day he says that chess has no future and all chessplayers should re-qualify and become real estate agents, and the next day he says he'd play chess for free, living on women's smiles and photosynthesis. Never believe him :)|
|Aug-29-06|| ||percyblakeney: Should be +13 for Beliavsky, that should send him almost 20 places higher on the FIDE list, into the top 70. As recently as July 2004 he was top 30, ahead of for example Aronian.|
|Aug-29-06|| ||jamesmaskell: Hmmm, interesting rating changes. Steady increase for Carlsen, though of course it could have been higher. He got what he needed in this tournament and good for him. Itll be interesting to see how he does against the World Elite in rapid/blind chess next year. |
<L13> are you sure you really meant photosynthesis? Id be rather impressed if Moro did live on photosynthesis...
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