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|Jun-02-08|| ||ikipemiko: Moro is outstanding player but he keeps beatin up weak players . Anand, Kramnik , Topa (carlsen, chucky and boro right after them) these are the top players in the moment.|
|Jun-02-08|| ||waustad: Who is boro?|
|Jun-02-08|| ||Paragua: Maybe Borozevich!?|
|Jun-03-08|| ||Pjalle: Good going by Moro but let's face it, all his opponents was 2600+. Put Anand, Kramnik or Carlsen in the same field and they would achieve +5 as well.|
|Jun-03-08|| ||manchild: I just heard that the Russian chess federation officials gave Moro a call when he was already +5 and told him to take draws from then on cause they didn't want his rating to be higher than Kramnik's when he challenges Anand later this year for psychological reasons. I mean draws in 13 and 20 moves? Come on. It seems a little fishy coming from Moro.|
|Jun-03-08|| ||Atking: Moro is very independant on the board and its chess life. I really doubt of that rumor. <manchild> have you some reference of that? I don't know about Russain Chess Federation, but obviously until now Kramnik hasn't such psychological difficulty towards the Elo. He was always behind Kasparov and latter behind Topalov and he is actually behind Anand Still he can beat them on match which is, for me too, more important. Elo can help but it's not all.|
|Jun-03-08|| ||ikipemiko: Moro, of course, his play is not boring at all, always fine to watch.|
|Jun-03-08|| ||percyblakeney: <Put Anand, Kramnik or Carlsen in the same field and they would achieve +5 as well>|
I'm not too sure about that, it isn't that easy to go +5 in 10 rounds in a 2695 field. For example Kramnik would probably have to win all his five with white since he doesn't win with black, and even if it is possible I can also imagine him or Anand winning with around +3 if given Morozevich's spot here.
|Jun-03-08|| ||Pjalle: percy, I guess you are right but somehow Moro seems to prefer the tourneys with less top players. Often he does great in such events but when he is up against the elite he doesn't perform as one would expect from a player ranked that high. A bit of the same with Chucky.|
|Jun-03-08|| ||percyblakeney: <Moro seems to prefer the tourneys with less top players. Often he does great in such events but when he is up against the elite he doesn't perform as one would expect>|
Yep, even if maybe the weakness of his opposition sometimes is exaggerated he definitely performs much better against players rated 2650-2700 than against those around 2750. It would be fun to see him more often in top tournaments though, if he is in form he can perform as in Corus 2000, where a loss against Timman stopped him from being second behind Kasparov, or Linares 2007, where he shared second behind Anand.
|Jun-03-08|| ||vanytchouck: Pjalle:
Chucky performances in super-elite tournament is far better than Moro's.
For example, Chucky won Linares third times.
* In 1989 (20 year old) ahead of Karpov the second best player in the world, far ahead the third player.
* In 1991 ahead of Kasparov, and Karpov. First ever who manage to do that and sugar on top, beating both Kasparov, and Karpov (only two players achieve that).
* in 1995 ahead of karpov, Shirov and Topalov.
And the oppostion met in the Mtel was far stronger than the opposition in this tournament.
I can even wonder what is the point- for someone like Moro, with his rating - in playing against such a "weaker" (2770 Elo speaking) opposition...
|Jun-03-08|| ||DCP23: <manchild: I just heard that[...]>|
A lie. Name your source or shut up.
|Jun-03-08|| ||vanytchouck: I think manchild is joking. I mean "i hope"...|
|Jun-03-08|| ||percyblakeney: Kramnik plays in Dortmund before the Anand match, and he may need a good result there to be ahead of Morozevich on the October list. Not easy considering that he has black in most of his games and won't have any reason to reveal too much ahead of the match. But I think Kramnik may survive being a couple of points behind Morozevich when playing Anand.|
|Jun-03-08|| ||wallytherhino: This result is no surprise to me!!|
|Jun-03-08|| ||Atking: <percyblakeney: <Put Anand, Kramnik or Carlsen in the same field and they would achieve +5 as well> I'm not too sure about that, it isn't that easy to go +5 in 10 rounds in a 2695 field. For example Kramnik would probably have to win all his five with white since he doesn't win with black, and even if it is possible I can also imagine him or Anand winning with around +3 if given Morozevich's spot here.> Not to dismich Morozevich's great result here but I think that few months ago Kramnik showed us a similar +4 (9 rounds) in Tal Memorial in a field which looks a bit stronger (Shirov Ivanchuck...) And I'm pretty sure we can found a similar performance from Anand too. Therefore it's a pleasure to see Ivanchuck and Morozevich trying to challenge the top again.|
|Jun-03-08|| ||percyblakeney: <few months ago Kramnik showed us a similar +4 (9 rounds) in Tal Memorial in a field which looks a bit stronger (Shirov Ivanchuck...)>|
Yep, all Kramnik's opponents were 2700+ then. I think that was his by far best tournament performance ever (as for Ivanchuk in Sofia), so it's not often these results happen. Carlsen will soon have the chance in Biel to show if he can do a Moro in a comparatively weaker field.
|Jun-03-08|| ||malthrope: <percyblakeney> & <Atking> - Another thing to take into account is in both these two superb Chess Tournaments -Tal Memorial (2007) - and - Dortmund 2007 - (Note: the Dortmund 2007 URL link appears to be broken I'll inform CG.com).|
Vlad had the distinct advantage of playing with an extra 'White' in both cases. Of course, I'm taking nothing away from Kramnik's outstanding performance! :) He scored +3 with the White pieces at Dortmund 2007 and +4 with the White pieces at the Tal Memorial 2007. In the hands of an true Chess aficionado like GM Vladimir Kramnik having the White pieces, if not lethal, is certainly deadly! :^) Regards, - Mal
|Jun-03-08|| ||malthrope: Missed it... - Dortmund (2007) - CG.com has it listed as 'Sparkassen Chess Meeting' and my ol' eyes were looking only for Dortmund! ;)|
|Jun-03-08|| ||Paragua: I dont believe manchild. Kramnik is better than Morozevich.|
|Jun-04-08|| ||Pjalle: vanytchouk, yes, chucky has done better, Mtel was an elite tournament and the Linares wins are also very impressive but chucky has a tendency to fail when the pressure piles up. aronian and topalov seems to be a bit of the same, unstable under pressure which is a very natural human reaction of course. somehow carlsen seems to be immune to pressure but we will see.|
|Jun-04-08|| ||Pjalle: about being stable under pressure, carlsen reminds me a lot about schumacher and sebastian loeb. those guys are superb formula one and rally drivers and they have one thing in common, they seem almost boring and it takes a lot to get them agitated and excited, I believe this is the reason that they can stay cool and focused for year after year, they simply don't get the adrenalin rush that 'normal' people would experience under similar conditions (pressure and big expectations).|
|Jun-04-08|| ||Paragua: The strongest tournament player nowadays is no other than Anand and Topalov. They have proven that for many times.|
|Jun-04-08|| ||wallytherhino: I think manchild is joking. I mean "i hope"...|
|Jun-05-08|| ||wallytherhino: The spread on this tournament is very wide thanks to phenomenal form that Moro was playing, and the lackluster form Sokolov was in. This tournament makes the second tournament in a row that Sokolov was below even.|
Max: +5 (Moro)
Min: -4 (Sokolov)
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