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|May-09-09|| ||apple pi: The pressure on Mamedyarov to beat Kramnik in the last round must have been enormous, whereas Kramnik was guaranteed a +4 score and was easily able to keep calm; in light of this and the way the game transpired (see <jhoro's> post, its easy to see how Kramnik won.|
Overall, I would liken this event to a low-power statistical test. Because of the smallness of our sample-size, we have overestimated the strength discrepency between the two teams. Yes, world team is stronger, but +10 stronger!? Unlikely.
|May-09-09|| ||notyetagm: <DCP23: <notyetagm: Wow, Kramnik just *crushed* Mamedyarov.>|
...then picked him up, dusted him off, and *crushed* him AGAIN.
[Event "AZE-FIDE WORLD"]
[Round "ROUND 8"]
[Board "board 2"]
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 d5 4. Nc3 Be7 5. Bg5 h6 6. Bxf6 Bxf6 7. Qb3 c6 8. e3 O-O 9. Rd1 Nd7 10. Bd3 b6 11. O-O Bb7 12. Bb1 g6 13. e4 dxc4 14. Qxc4 b5 15. Qb3 Bg7 16. h4 Qe7 17. h5 a6 18. e5 c5 19. d5 Nxe5 20. Nxe5 Bxe5 21. Rfe1 Qg5 22. hxg6 fxg6 23. Ne4 Qh4 24. g3 Qg4 25. Nxc5 Bd4 26. Re4 Bxf2+ 27. Kg2 Qh5 28. Nxb7 Ba7 29. Rd2 <<<Rf1 30. Kxf1 Qh1+>>> 31. Ke2 Rf8 32. Rf4 Qg2+ 33. Kd1 Qg1+ 34. Ke2 Qg2+ 35. Kd1 Qg1+ 36. Kc2 Rc8+ 37. Qc3 Rxc3+ 38. bxc3 Be3 39. dxe6 Bxd2 40. Kxd2 Qg2+ 41. Kc1 Qxb7 42. Bxg6 Qe7 43. Bc2 Qa3+ 44. Kb1 Qxc3 45. Re4 Kf8 46. e7+ Ke8 47. Re6 Qb4+ 48. Kc1 Qc4 49. Re3 a5 50. Kd2 Qxa2 51. Kd1 Qa1+ 52. Kd2 Qd4+ 53. Ke2 Qg4+ 54. Kf2 a4 55. Be4 Qe6 56. Bd3 Qc6 57. Be2 Qf6+ 58. Kg2 Qg5 0-1>
Make sure you check out Kramnik's incredible <KING DEFLECTION> 29 ... ♖f8-f1!!.
29 ... ♖f8-f1!! 30 ♔g2x♖f1 <deflection from h1> ♕h5-h1+
|May-09-09|| ||notyetagm: I just told *you* to check out that same brilliant Kramnik move, 29 ... ♖f8-f1!!.|
|May-09-09|| ||DCP23: <notyetagm: I just told *you* to check out that same brilliant Kramnik move, 29 ... f8-f1!!.
Oh, I see. Great minds think alike, as they say ;)
|May-09-09|| ||TommyC: Was the Kramnik win sound? At various points he looked far worse, to me at least!|
|May-09-09|| ||Vakus: <Karoaper> lol, funny guys those <Rustamovs>, i'd say miserable losers. I even feel sorry for'em... while the whole world is celebrating the V-day, these little dictators remember today the smashing rebuff in Artsakh, especially the liberation of Shushi, которое не видать им как свои уши.|
|May-10-09|| ||Vasilyev90: <jhoro: don't know about the other games, but the Memedyarov-Kramnik, <DCP23> posted above, actually shows Memedyarov having the upper hand up to move 30, then blundering to a draw and eventually losing after move 48. Memed also decided not to take the draw by repetition around move 36. i know it is rapid, but it does not look as crushing as some of you make it sound>|
I think you're mistaken to say shark has the advantage up to move 30 as Kramnik actually has a crushing game with tactical king deflection on move 29...Rf8-f1!!!So what are you saying?I hope you're not one of those Kramnik bashers jhoro....
|May-10-09|| ||Wood Mover: Where are the Kramnik bashers now?|
|May-10-09|| ||JointheArmy: <Wood Mover> Nothing special. Not like this was rated or anything.|
|May-10-09|| ||Vasilyev90: Special or not<JointheArmy>,Kramnik proves that bashers which are croacking frogs should just *shut*their mouth.|
|May-10-09|| ||Ladolcevita: Great to see Kramnik's "return of the lord"!!!
Anand,Karjakin,Shirov,Radjabov are fine,while others are not in the same level.
|May-10-09|| ||samikd: Kramnik ruled. Its great to see him back in form like this. Anand's wasn't too far behind. These 2, and the others to some extent humiliated the Azeris. |
I am not saying anything new, am I ? :)
|May-10-09|| ||BadKnight: round1 game3. black is vladimir shirov lol|
|May-10-09|| ||jhoro: <notyetagm: I just told *you* to check out that same brilliant Kramnik move, 29 ... Rf8-f1!!.>|
29...Rf1!! <notyetagm>, <DCP23> are you guys on Kram's special lemonade or my Rybka is all confused. 30.Rh4 by Mamedyarov would have been lights out for Kramnik. And 30.Rh4 is not that difficult of a move to find either. it blocks the h-file and attacks the queen
|May-10-09|| ||samikd: Kramnik plays 1.e4, wins 5 out his 8 games ...what the hell is happening in today's world ? The US economic collapse seems trivial in comparison|
|May-10-09|| ||BushWhacker: take this pseudo-world team to Armenia, and we will teach azeris how to win game after games, when you are playing in your own hometown!|
I really use to think Huseinov and Hashemov are new stars among Azeri chess players ready to overpass Shark and Rajabov in no time, but alas after reviewing their games and results in this encounter, they were just meteors shining down from the night sky!
|May-10-09|| ||SetNoEscapeOn: <apple pi: The pressure on Mamedyarov to beat Kramnik in the last round must have been enormous, whereas Kramnik was guaranteed a +4 score>|
You mean +3, he was +4 when the game started.
|May-10-09|| ||apple pi: Right you are!|
|May-10-09|| ||s4life: <samikd: Kramnik plays 1.e4, wins 5 out his 8 games ...what the hell is happening in today's world ? The US economic collapse seems trivial in comparison>|
Not at all, it's called "rapid format".
|May-10-09|| ||WhiteRook48: 1. e4 wins 5/8? Has the world turned upside down? 1. e4 should lose all the time, as shown in Murphy-Endon (0-1)|
|May-10-09|| ||kamalakanta: <jhoro: <notyetagm: I just told *you* to check out that same brilliant Kramnik move, 29 ... Rf8-f1!!.>|
29...Rf1!! <notyetagm>, <DCP23> are you guys on Kram's special lemonade or my Rybka is all confused. 30.Rh4 by Mamedyarov would have been lights out for Kramnik. And 30.Rh4 is not that difficult of a move to find either. it blocks the h-file and attacks the queen>
Apparently it WAS difficult to find...maybe they were both in time pressure.
I admit, Rh4 is a killer. But when I looked at this game, it did not even cross my mind. Part of the problem might be that after Rh1, the White bishop at b1 is blocked by that same rook on e4.
This is what makes chess hard! Even world-class players miss moves, make blunders, etc. Wasn't it Petrosian who overlooked a mate in 1 against Korchnoi? And left his Queen hanging against Bronstein? And yet Petrosian was considered by his peers as a tactician! So anybody can have a bad day at the office.
I've seen great tennis players miss shots that are not that hard to do; the list goes on and on...
Chess players get tense, fatigued, confused. Computers do not. This does not, in my opinion, make computers better players. A player is by definition a human being, with all his/her virtues and frailties. A computer is a pure calculator; it is a whole different story.
For the mathematical side, computers are ideal.
But real chess games are played by real people. Someone has to make a mistake; otherwise all games would end in draws.
|May-10-09|| ||kamalakanta: <Vasilyev90>
I agree with you. It is still chess among top world-class players. Chess is chess, whether it is blitz, Rapid, Active or Classical.
|May-10-09|| ||shintaro go: A win is a win may it be classical, rapid, or blitz.|
|May-10-09|| ||jhoro: <kamalakanta>, the long lecture on computers vs humans was unnecessary. all i was saying is that giving !! to 29...Rf1 was stretching it. !! should be reserved for brilliant crashing moves. my point was that even after Rf1 Kramnik was still losing and although Mamedyarov missed the best response and lost his advantage he had a draw for another dozen of moves. imo !? is more appropriate|
|May-11-09|| ||eternaloptimist: Well, we can't call Kramnik - Drawnik now. He got a +5 score in this match. The World Team opened up a 55 gallon drum of whoop ass on the Azerbaijanis. This is surprising considering the Azerbaijanis are doing so well in the World Grand Prix point standings. Radjabov got the best score on their team, & he only broke even. All of the rest of the Azerbaijanis got negative scores. Amazing!|
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