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|Aug-24-09|| ||wanabe2000: <Blunderdome>
Thamks for the Wikipedia link. Interesting reading. Here is a quote from the article.
"In 2010, an eight game Challenger Match will be played between the FIDE Grand Prix 2008-2009 winner and the Chess World Cup 2009 winner. The winner of the challenger match will play the defending champion in a twelve game match in September 2011."
So after a grueling series of FIDE Grand Prix tournaments in 2008-2009 the winner gets to play the winner of a single elimination rapid/blitz World Cup Tournament(?). How can FIDE equate the two by giving equal credence to a rapid tournament and a series of round robin classical time control tournaments? This sucks, IMO.
|Aug-24-09|| ||percyblakeney: <So after a grueling series of FIDE Grand Prix tournaments in 2008-2009 the winner gets to play the winner of a single elimination rapid/blitz World Cup Tournament(?)>|
No, they have since changed the rules halfway through the cycle so the winner of the gruelling two year series of tournaments gets one of eight spots in a knockout with among others Kamsky instead of one of two spots in a match :-)
|Aug-24-09|| ||tpstar: <percyblakeney> Regarding the cycle, what has been the net effect of 1) Kirsan's conference call with Anand, Topalov, Aronian & Henrik Carlsen, and 2) the recent Questionnaire?|
|Aug-24-09|| ||percyblakeney: <tpstar>
1/ All the players were against the change, and FIDE never published the conference call as they said they would. I think they said they failed to record it properly or something like that :-)
2/ Less than a fourth supported a cycle change, and that only if it gave them more money.
The fun thing is that after the criticism against the cycle change FIDE retracted it and said they would listen to the opinion of the players before taking a final decision. After doing that they did the opposite of what the players wanted :-)
|Aug-24-09|| ||vanytchouck: Randzo>
Kramnik didn't win the Tal memorial in 2008.
It was Ivanchuck who did it. Kramnik's won the 2007 edition.
|Aug-24-09|| ||Hovik2009: I just saw the closing ceremony on Armenian TV news, where Ivanchuk recieved 30,000 Euro(about 52,000 USD) from Armenian president, he said in the interview afterword that Jermuk was one of the best organized tournies in one of the healthiest climates he has ever participated in. And he really looked so vibrant and energic and not like pooped and tired Chucky we are use to see in the news cuts and pictures!|
Congrat to Chucky again for winning this great tournament.
|Aug-24-09|| ||Vakus: Ivanchuk is not alone
Politics and statistics aside, the Jermuk Grand Prix was the best of the five tournaments as far as chess was concerned, and from what we saw on the official website, the location and venue was just great. We can only hope that the Armenians want to continue organizing FIDE events.>
|Aug-24-09|| ||amadeus: <percyblakeney: <So after a grueling series of FIDE Grand Prix tournaments in 2008-2009 the winner gets to play the winner of a KO World Cup Tournament(?)>|
No, they have since changed the rules halfway through the cycle so the winner of the gruelling two year series of tournaments gets one of eight spots in a knockout with among others Kamsky instead of one of two spots in a match :-)>
<percyblakeney>, don't be surprised if Kirsan changes it back to GP winner vs World Cup winner. Anything is possible.
|Aug-24-09|| ||notyetagm: Where and when is the final Grand Prix event?
|Aug-24-09|| ||SetNoEscapeOn: <don't be surprised if Kirsan changes it back to GP winner vs World Cup winner. Anything is possible.>|
That's the only change that would surprise me at this point, but yes, definitely possible.
|Aug-25-09|| ||percyblakeney: <Anything is possible>|
With FIDE anything can happen. If they hadn't changed the cycle to begin with they could have been in a position to skip the last event entirely with the winner already certain. One reason given for the cycle change was that it might be hard to arrange all the events (since the official reserve cities were made up), and thanks to the change they now <must> arrange another event.
The negotiations failed with the sponsor that seemed to be involved in the cycle change, and decided that it should be a knockout instead of a double round robin. So it would be a practical solution for FIDE to just skip the last event that they don't have any organiser or sponsor to anyway, and skip the minimatches since they have no organiser or sponsor to them either.
Then they would just have one event to finance, and that would even be a proper Candidates match (or as proper as they come these days, eight games), between Aronian and the World Cup winner. It would probably be easy to get the Armenians to sponsor such a match. I don't think this will happen but you never know with FIDE.
|Aug-25-09|| ||zarg: <Then they would just have one event to finance, and that would even be a proper Candidates match (or as proper as they come these days, eight games), between Aronian and the World Cup winner.>|
Not a likely outcome, FIDE better not piss off the top players by another cycle change now.
Particularly Carlsen, would not be happy by such a change after his withdrawal -- at a point he still had a fair chance to win the Grand Prix.
|Aug-25-09|| ||percyblakeney: <Particularly Carlsen, would not be happy by such a change after his withdrawal -- at a point he still had a fair chance to win the Grand Prix>|
Yep, it would be a bit too much even for FIDE but I guess one shouldn't rule out anything :-)
|Aug-25-09|| ||rogge: That won't happen at this stage, of course.|
|Aug-25-09|| ||zarg: <pb>
We can safely assume that FIDE would very much like to keep one single WC, after the unification match between Kramnik and Topalov.
Pissing off Carlsen too much, would be rather bad if he continue to follow the footsteps of Kasparov...
FIDE better avoid such a scenario, and knows it.
|Aug-25-09|| ||vanytchouck: The problem is that FIDE just doesn't care about upseting top players. Even if they are the best ones. Even if he's the world champion to come.|
Otherwise they wouldn't have organized the " match of the losers " (Karpov vs Timman in 1993) and the infamous k.o. world "championcheap".
Think about it :
FIDE is the organization wich is not afraid of saying "the world champion is Khalifman/Ponomariov/Kasimdhzanov".
Worse, i even think that FIDE doesn't want a charismatic world champion to emmerge. Especially a popular figure among non chess fans.
The experience with Kasparov was a painful one for this mafia. It doesn't want anymore a world champion able to hold a legitimate world championship only thanks to his name.
Anand is not and will never be a wide popular figure and most of all, he's not keen on going in politic battles.
Neither is Topalov (especially with his bad reputation from 2005) who is very close to the FIDE.
And as Topalov has still a shot for the world title (things can be worsened if he would defeat Anand), any change can still occur as long as FIDE's favorite is not wronged.
Carlsen ? Who cares ???
|Aug-25-09|| ||percyblakeney: <if he play as in Zurich he can even rich 2800>|
After going through the Zürich games I'm not totally convinced that is enough to reach 2800, but he will definitely take one of the rating spots in the Candidates and that is good enough.
|Aug-25-09|| ||Billy Vaughan: This tournament only featured players at the beginning of the alphabet.|
|Aug-26-09|| ||percyblakeney: Chessbase covering all bases with regards to the rules of the cycle :-)|
<The two top winners of the Grand Prix qualify to the Candidates Stage of the World Championship cycle 2009-2011>
<The winner of the Grand Prix series at the end of 2009 will play the winner of the World Cup held in 2009 in an eight game match to become the challenger to the World Champion in a match to be held in the third quarter of 2010>
|Aug-26-09|| ||returnoftheking: <Otherwise they wouldn't have organized the " match of the losers >|
This happened after Kasparov and Short decided to have their match away from Fide, so it's not the best argument for your (just) case I'm afraid.
|Aug-26-09|| ||Bothkill: Regarding World Cup 2009:
I've seen that although Kramnik is qualified for World Cup 2009 he will not play (because this event is not listed on his website).
He also said in his interview that rating is the only criteria for him to qualify for Candidates Match.
Any idea why Kramnik is not playing in World Cup 2009?
|Aug-26-09|| ||vanytchouck: < returnoftheking: <Otherwise they wouldn't have organized the " match of the losers >
This happened after Kasparov and Short decided to have their match away from Fide, so it's not the best argument for your (just) case I'm afraid.>|
If i'm not mistaken, Kasparov and Short have taken this decision after a politic battle (on the organization of the match between them)?
No matter what the events were, instead of doing everything to keep Kasparov and Short under their juridiction, they prefered to organize the match of the losers.
This shows how little, FIDE cares about legitimacy (and are not afraid of ridiculousness).
|Aug-26-09|| ||returnoftheking: Fide sure has a history of disregarding player interest but the exit of Short-Kasparov gave them no other option really.|
|Aug-27-09|| ||arnaud1959: If someone wants to justify his wrong decision he just needs to put himself deliberately into a situation where he has no option. That's what Fide did with great succes.|
|Aug-27-09|| ||kingsindian2006: anyone know why carlsen withdrew from grand prix? and is he out of the running for 3 to 4 years?|
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