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|Aug-23-10|| ||bravado1: In this video, all Russians and former Russians are incesantly pacing up and down the room. Only Van Wely, Lubojevic, Nakamura nad Howell sit still.|
|Aug-23-10|| ||redwhitechess: Giri vs Nakamura, is this the highest rated chess game between two Japanese speaking chess player?|
|Aug-23-10|| ||Jambow: <Whitehat1963> Filipino's are very passionate fans, and no confusion Wesley is a Pinoy. Filipino's have produced very dominant Boxing and Billiards champions recently, maybe the optimism is carrying over? |
In contrast Fabiano has relocated several times. I'm not even sure where he lives now, although he was born in the US and is of Italian heritage so maybe less have latched on to him.
Likewise Anish is of Nepalese and Russian heritage and now represents the Netherlands who already had a chess hero of sorts. I think in Giri's case that will change as he makes his way towards the top and he starts to become recognized for his immense talent.
I don't think So will attain the same level, he is already way to ready to escape with a draw. His fans will diminish somewhat and likely be mostly motivated by nationalism while Giri will gain international appeal. I really think his commentary is awsome and he is very likable to boot.
Caruana is more of a question mark to me, how far he will go is slightly less clear but all these guys will find a home in the 2700's which in my opinion is do to elo inflation as much as improved chess and will become crowded making 2750's the new mark.
Thats my take anyway.
|Aug-23-10|| ||Bobwhoosta: <Jambow>
I agree with your assessment in all three parts, although I think I am a tad more optimistic as to Caruana's potential. I think that So will need something extra that he doesn't currently have to break into the Top Ten, while for Giri it seems virtually guaranteed. His play, mannerisms, and annotations all speak of an incredibly mature individual.
Caruana is the wild card, however I sometimes see flashes in him of something great. I think Giri will go the farthest of these three (perhaps world champion someday, if he's as good at manuevering the intricacies of FIDE anyway!!!), and Caruana could very well be at the top someday as well.
So is awesome, obviously they all are, but I'm simply missing something in his play... can't put my finger on it, but there it is.
|Aug-23-10|| ||bharatiy: So needs a good coach!|
|Aug-23-10|| ||ganso: any video anywhere of blitz playoff?|
|Aug-23-10|| ||Everett: Are the blitz matches between Nakamura and Giri anywhere to be found?|
|Aug-23-10|| ||tamar: <Everett> You can play over the blitz games via game viewer at http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/n...|
|Aug-23-10|| ||sqyxzylyx: So far, So has been overrated. He has risen and now he's on his way down.|
|Aug-23-10|| ||YouRang: <Whitehat1963><Jambow><Wesley So. Most recent FIDE rating: 2667. +0-1=9
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I made a quick visit to the Wesley So page and found that most of the commentary there has nothing to do with So.
And a *quick* visit is about all I could stand. So would probably be embarrassed by the childish bickering going on there.
|Aug-23-10|| ||Everett: <TheFocus>
Regarding Fischer's results vs Petrosian from page 12: <Petrosian: =, -, -, =, =, +, =, =, -, =, =, =, =, +, +, =, =, +, +, =, +, -, =, =, =, +, +>
... you forgot the last 2 victories in '71. He won the last 4 in that match.
|Aug-23-10|| ||AuN1: i feel really bad for how things went down for giri. aside from gelfand, he played the best chess in that tournament. if it wasn't for that mental meltdown in the last round he'd be setting himself up for a busy start to 2011 with corus 'a', and amber soon to follow. now there is news of this being the last nh tournament, so he will no longer get this opportunity.|
|Aug-24-10|| ||finrod: I feel bad, too. In two days he went through missing a victory, and then 3 defeats. In the process he got nervous. But he will learn to cope with this, and come out stronger than before.|
After all, the final bad day should be set in the context of a very good tournament. In classic chess he lost only the last game. The blits loss was against Nakamura who is comparatively better in blitz than in classic chess. It might even be better for Giri to focus on preparing for Corus A than to have to prepare for both Corus and Amber. Progressing in classic chess seems to me a better goal for Giri, with a view to personal improvement.
|Aug-24-10|| ||Everett: <Giri-Naka Game 2
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. g3 d5 4. Nf3 Bb4+ 5. Bd2 Be7 6. Bg2 c6 7. O-O O-O 8. Qc2 b6 9. Rd1 Ba6 10. b3 Nbd7 11. Bf4 Rc8 12. Nc3 c5 13. dxc5 Bxc5 14. a3 b5 15. b4 Bxf2+ 16. Kxf2 Rxc4 17. Rd3 e5 18. Bg5 e4 19. Rxd5 Qb6+ 20. Kf1 Nxd5 21. Nxd5 Rxc2 22. Nxb6 exf3 23. Nxd7 fxg2+ 24. Kf2 Re8 25. Be3 Bc8 26. Nc5 Bg4 0-1>
Is 17.Rd3 best here? Walks right into the pawn roller...
|Aug-24-10|| ||AuN1: when are they going to start a forum discussion for the tournament in shanghai?|
|Aug-24-10|| ||delftfan: We fans are feeling bad for Anish..but let's hope that he would grow stronger..so far as the Amber is concerned, organizers will be 'wise and kind' enough to invite him...
All the best, buddy!|
|Aug-24-10|| ||zoren: <Jambow:>
<Likewise Anish is of Nepalese and Russian heritage and now represents the Netherlands who already had a chess hero of sorts. I think in Giri's case that will change as he makes his way towards the top and he starts to become recognized for his immense talent.
I don't think So will attain the same level, he is already way to ready to escape with a draw. His fans will diminish somewhat and likely be mostly motivated by nationalism while Giri will gain international appeal. I really think his commentary is awesome and he is very likable to boot.>
<So would probably be embarrassed by the childish bickering going on there.>
I agree, I was a huge fan of his games until a gradual process of losing my interest of his chess started happening. A weird occasion was one of his zealous fans started attacking me when I was complimenting his chess. Any objectivity or sometimes even agreeing will land one in a hostile ad hominem attack.
To <YouRang>, I agree, there is some truth there where his fans are actually detractors to his career. And I also agree with <Jambow> that So's appeal is much more limited compared to Giri, due to certain things out of his control.
I was a huge fan of the plays from many Philippine players including Torre for a long time (and still am) but it is hard to find a venue to share my thoughts on the games (CG is a great place, don't get me wrong but my interest had waned for reasons previously stated). There is a general hostile vibe on his page whenever anything objective/criticisms are brought up, and there isn't much to do about the atmosphere regarding So. Essentially this is a phenomena because the zealous fans could be the problem itself.
What's interesting to me is fans like Frogbert can be very objective about players such as Nakamura, and his "past" avoidance of top flight events, and his statistical capabilities against 2700 players, and the fans propose ways he could improve and further his career. Comparably to So, it is unfortunate that part of So's career is marred by things out of his control, which have little to do with his chess strength and immense talent. All I see on his page is the fans diminishing his losses and the massive senseless postings suggest it is difficult to glean any serious advice from his countrymen, and fans alike.
Over ICC I met many Filipino players who are much more objective and agree to some of these points. In fact a few of my chess friends who are also huge So fans are a bit offended to seen in this light, or to be suggested they are hostile, as probably the reality is that it is they are all very nice people who tend to feel like they are all being a part of the process and career of their best player, and as such, any detractors will seem very hostile.
That is not my intention, but just my observation, and of course many others it seems. Anyway, So had a very mediocre performance and congrats to Gelfand the hero of the event, and Nakamura for the Amber ticket.
|Aug-24-10|| ||James Bowman: <zoren> I have seen some of what you speak of and it is too bad for Wesley So that a small portion of his fans are almost rabid. |
I have spent time in the Philipines and worked with several Filipinos and over all they are a wonderful hospitable people. I think sometimes even when we give constructive critisism if we persist to much in making our point it can be percieved as focusing on that individual and their fans can become defensive. Then perhaps another walks into a heated situation after all objectivity and respect has disintigrated into personal attacks etc...
I wouldn't dwell on it though enjoy chess it is a great game, and if W. So does even better than I expect good for him and his fans won't bother me a bit.
I think this has happened on Nakamura's page some over zealous fans some very persistently over zealous in correcting those fans and the lines are drawn blanket innuendo's pro and con are made, more are offended and armageddon follows, well ok maybe not that bad but you get the idea.
Anyway Giri looks to be a future champ in my humble opinion, certainly So might blossom if he could get to Europe it has helped Caruana and Nakamura should bennefit by mixing it up at the top, but it's just a game, my favorite one but a game.
Gelfand is also fun since he is mixing it up well at about my age, although of the two of us he resembles a koala bear more than I do. ;o]
|Aug-25-10|| ||SugarDom: YES. We are the most Rabid fans on the face of the whole planet earth.|
|Aug-25-10|| ||SugarDom: You want to be a fan or not, we don't give a crap about it...|
I'm tired of individuals blaming the fans for their OWN personality disorder.
Like James Bowman said, we're just enjoying the game.
|Aug-25-10|| ||rogge: <it is too bad for Wesley So that a small portion of his fans are almost rabid>|
Well, <my> So page currently counts a manageable 615 pages.
|Aug-25-10|| ||turbo231: Great news, Naka is playing in a tournament in Spain covered my chessbomb! And also Stockfish is matched up against Crafty 23.3, that too is covered by chessbomb.|
|Aug-25-10|| ||turbo231: I forgot to mention that tourny Naka is playing in is called CECLUB 2010.|
|Aug-26-10|| ||turbo231: Also FICS is covering Naka in Spain.|
|Oct-03-10|| ||I play the Fred: A good capper to this event would have been a six game match between the top finishers for each team.|
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