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Kramnik - Aronian Match

Vladimir Kramnik3/6(+1 -1 =4)[games]
Levon Aronian3/6(+1 -1 =4)[games]

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Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Kramnik vs Aronian 0-1412012Kramnik - AronianD43 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav
2. Aronian vs Kramnik ½-½372012Kramnik - AronianC67 Ruy Lopez
3. Kramnik vs Aronian 1-0422012Kramnik - AronianC47 Four Knights
4. Aronian vs Kramnik ½-½252012Kramnik - AronianC67 Ruy Lopez
5. Kramnik vs Aronian ½-½432012Kramnik - AronianD43 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav
6. Aronian vs Kramnik ½-½432012Kramnik - AronianC65 Ruy Lopez, Berlin Defense
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  parmetd: Actually KingDeath, since you asked what I play against the French... I will tell you. I rarely play 1. e4 ever but occasionally after 1. d4 e6 I like the option of 2. e4 entering the French. So I have experimented with the French exchange and advance... but my main weapon is the wing gambit. I have an undefeated record in this off beat opening. Against 1. e4 e5 f4 as black I am 100%. The problem here is really as Catfriend described. You are confusing romantic swashbuckling openings (exciting) vs interesting/amazing. I find it pretty damn amazing that after 8 moves black can have lost castling rights, have a crippled majority, have a development deficit and still not be lost! I do not find it amazing that after move 2 in KG white is struggling for equality out of desperation. I think the problem here is people have taken to complicated things that arise after exchanges (particular queen exchanges) as somehow lifeless and yet so many Berlin games are full of life. Yes, you can find a boring one but I can find a boring game in any opening.
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  lost in space: <<Tabanus:> <Personally, I like to drink coffee and smoke cigarettes while playing chess.> Me too. Sadly, there are no such sporting events any more.>

In the meantime I am too old for a lot of coffee and too old for cigarets. But I liked it a lot in the 1980ties and 90ties (200 years ago?!)

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  lost in space: BTW: I am too young to play golf


Apr-29-12  Rook e2: I don't think the Kings Gambit is busted, I don't play it myself but I think someone like Moro could play it with success against one of these two players.
Apr-29-12  jussu: <someone like Moro could play (King's Gambit) with success against one of these two players>

He certainly avoids trying. I would take it as a hint.

Short, who it pretty much the only noteworthy GM who occasionally plays KG, said "it is a lousy opening" in last London Classic. Shirov, in his ChessBase DVD on the Spanish opening, said pretty much the same thing as <parmetd> above: white has barely enough compensation to make a draw.

Apr-29-12  znsprdx: Apr-28-12 Octal: Wait, so the match is tied. What is the tie-break

moral victor: Aronian first blood first game as Black...a tempo down

Kramnik's win as White - a tempo up came as result of Aronian's fantasy queen sac... maybe Apr-28-12 AVRO38: Snoozers! was right:)

Apr-29-12  Rook e2: <Apr-29-12 jussu: <someone like Moro could play (King's Gambit) with success against one of these two players> He certainly avoids trying. I would take it as a hint. >
I had not looked it up before my post but he has beaten Anand with the Kings Gambit:
Apr-29-12  jussu: Oh yes, KG is evidently not completely unplayable if you don't try it much more than once or twice a decade. Carlsen played it recently, too.
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  Peligroso Patzer: <jussu: Oh yes, KG is evidently not completely unplayable if you don't try it much more than once or twice a decade. Carlsen played it recently, too.>

Here is the game in question: Carlsen vs Wang Yue, 2010

Apr-29-12  Catfriend: <Rook e2> Well, that only shows how important it is to choose Fischer's defence :) Anand didn't - and lost! Kasparov did (against Moro) and won!
Apr-29-12  Rook e2: <Catfriend: <Rook e2> Well, that only shows how important it is to choose Fischer's defence :) Anand didn't - and lost! Kasparov did (against Moro) and won!> Or white had to play Bc4 instead of Nf3 :). Fischers defence has got a slightly higher winning percentage than the other defences, although white is winning most of the times (maybe because it includes all the romantic-period games). But at least you're sure it's unlikely to end up with a draw!
Apr-29-12  jussu: My own reply to KG is Falkbeer, which is a reasonable practical choice at patzer level. For grandmasters, it is either Fischer or 3... g5. Works fine even under 2000 for those Blacks who have bothered to memorize some 10-20 key lines - but I am too lazy for that. If simply returning the pawn without a fight (like Wang did) were Black's best way to handle KG then nobody would even consider 2. Nf3.
Apr-30-12  Sokrates: It was a good match with games of high quality - as expected. And as said by many of you, this is a good match test for Aronian, but it was also a satisfying confirmation for Kramnik that he is still in the very elite of chess-players today. In game 3 he demonstrated that he can keep a cool head when the game is on the edge. And in the same game Aronian proved that he is bold enough to take a risk - kudos to him for that.

Meanwhile the hard-battled veterans, Anand and Gelfand, are sharpening their weapons, while young Carlsen is ... yes, what is Magnus doing these times? Observing the above mentioned four competitors exercising their play can't be comforting for a young man with ambitions. Tournaments are one genre, matches something quite diffent, and the match Aronian-Kramnik should make him consider engaging in similar events. I'm sure, sponsors could be found almost regardless of who Carlsen's opponent would be. Radjabov, Karjakin and even Nakamura would be great names.

Apr-30-12  bishopone: A voyager 39 wrote before, if this mach was much longer then 6 games I will put my money on Kramnik. Is obviously Kramnik didnt say his last word on chess. Is a huge player and a monster on match games. For example, he have the victory in game 6, with more time on clock maybe he find the best way to make 3,5-2,5. The game 1 was only by chance and a bit lazy by Kramnik coz he didnt check the variation start from Re3.
Apr-30-12  Rook e2: <The game 1 was only by chance and a bit lazy by Kramnik coz he didnt check the variation start from Re3. > One might say the opposite, Aronian took a big risk in his lost game. I would have put my money on Aronian. But a great match it was indeed. And I hope Carlsen will play some matches indeed, against Radjabov seems cool, we might learn some of his KID.
Apr-30-12  Kinghunt: <Rook e2> Yes, I have to agree. Aronian took an incredible risk in a fairly safe position because he saw something that looked interesting. If this had been a Candidates Match, I imagine he would have chosen a different path and made a safe draw.
Apr-30-12  jussu: Aronian admitted in the press conference after game 3 that he had thougt he had been winning all the time. I see no reason to doubt that he would have chosen the same sacrifice in a World Championsip match. Anyone would choose a line he thinks is winning. It was technically a misassessment by Aronian; it is a little unclear whether Kramnik was calculating and assessing everything correctly from the beginning or "simply" went down the narrow path of only moves and found a victory in the end.

If you a looking for a hero of enterprising play then Aronian is certainly a good choice but I can recommend another one. Most of Kramnik's losses come from his incorrect sacrifices; he really makes a little too many of them.

Apr-30-12  King Sacrificer: <Bishopone: The game 1 was only by chance and a bit lazy by Kramnik coz he didnt check the variation start from Re3.>

I agree. I think Aronian should count himself lucky that Kramnik didn't solve for mate from the first move because he is lazy.

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  positionalgenius: <Voyager> Why Topalov- Gelfand? Toppy never really was legitimate world champion and lost both matches trying to become it. And his recent form hasn't been anywhere near world champion level to boot.
May-01-12  kia0708: Topalov was AWESOME player.
May-20-12  Karpova: Kasparov: <Of course there was not such pressure. You have to admit playing an unofficial match doesn't put them under the same constraints as a World Championship match and if Kramnik and Aronian played a World Championship Match maybe they would be a bit more cautious but still even as an unofficial match I think it was a clear proof that classical chess can be attractive. There was a lot of fun, we saw the match, between two top players, clearly players who belong to the top notch, to the elite, they had a lot of fantasy, determination and they were fighting to the very to the very last moment. I think game 5 where there was total symmetry and in many tournaments the game would be shaking hands and walk away and they created more complications and that's impressive. That's a refutation of the theory that classical chess is dead unless you make drastic changes in the rules Fischer or whatever then the games will be all dull draws.>

Dirk Jan: <The death of classical chess clearly depends on the players.>

Kasparov: <If you had Kramnik and Aronian and they could create a very interesting spectacle which for me as an ex-professional was a great joy because I saw classical chess is still alive and well.>

May-20-12  Call Me TC: <But I would not rush such radical changes because we see that, even with traditional rules, top-level competitions can attract audiences. Just recently, we watched a match between Kramnik and Aronian. They played six games and made a major contribution to the development of chess.>

Is Vlad still playing stock market chess? If so, is that now a good or a bad thing?

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  whiteshark: Here's a fine video, where Kramnik and Aronian have been interviewed separately about this match.
Jun-17-12  King Death: < AuN1: there isn't any discussions available that don't include shach matov bad-mouthing kramnik and giving excuses for why kasparov got his lunch plate handed to him. grow up kid.>

I'm sorry to say but you're right. Even now I'm not convinced that Kramnik was the stronger player at the time because Kasparov was in great form going into the match but Kramnik shut him down with that Berlin Wall and we know the rest. It doesn't matter, Kramnik's a great player.

Jul-11-13  talisman: <softpaw> love Dostoevsky. took a very long time to get through Bros.K. but it was well worth it.
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