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🏆 United States Championship (2013)

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Player: Ray Robson

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Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. A Ivanov vs Robson  ½-½472013United States ChampionshipB47 Sicilian, Taimanov (Bastrikov) Variation
2. Robson vs J Bryant 0-1512013United States ChampionshipC45 Scotch Game
3. Stripunsky vs Robson 1-0682013United States ChampionshipB22 Sicilian, Alapin
4. Robson vs M Arnold 1-0352013United States ChampionshipB32 Sicilian
5. Khachiyan vs Robson  0-1402013United States ChampionshipD72 Neo-Grunfeld, 5.cd, Main line
6. Robson vs Shulman  1-0732013United States ChampionshipC01 French, Exchange
7. T Gareyev vs Robson 1-0432013United States ChampionshipD90 Grunfeld
8. Shabalov vs Robson 0-1662013United States ChampionshipB47 Sicilian, Taimanov (Bastrikov) Variation
9. Robson vs Kamsky ½-½442013United States ChampionshipB42 Sicilian, Kan
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May-10-13  TheFocus: The US Championship should be a strong 18 player round robin. Not a Swiss. Not a knockout.

It's hard to accept a winner of a Swiss-system.

But I'm old-school from the dinosaur days.

May-10-13
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  perfidious: <TheFocus> Here's to old school ways-I agree that a RR is the best format, though eighteen players might make it difficult to get all the top players, what with so many more events nowadays. Fourteen would be good, though.
May-10-13  Marmot PFL: Kamsky just playing for draws now, but nobody else is good enough to catch up.
May-10-13
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  tamar: <Marmot PFL> Kamsky's just getting draws, but not playing for them. Today for instance, he was crushing Alejandro Ramirez, and missed a cheapo that left him burying his head in his hands for almost a minute.
May-10-13
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  plang: <have the mighty Botvinnik, Tal or Kasparov ever come close to going 11-0 or 14-0, in the USSR championship?>

You're comparing the USSR championship to the USA Championship straight up?

May-10-13
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  Benzol: <plang> At odd times some kibitzers have compared the two tournaments and even thought that the Soviet tournament was full of patzers with the US Ch being the stronger one.

<TheFocus> <The US Championship should be a strong 18 player round robin. Not a Swiss. Not a knockout.>

Fischer's idea of having a double round tournament involving 11 players I thought was quite a good one. Perhaps everyone else thought it would just be a vehicle for him to exhibit his vast talent in a more convincing manner.

May-10-13  TheFocus: <Fischer's idea of having a double round tournament involving 11 players I thought was quite a good one.>

I like this idea even better than a single round robin.

Players today are not tied to jobs as players in Fischer's day, so it should be easier.

May-10-13  Just Another Master: Oh Kamsky screwed the pooch, well it makes it more exciting, Irina winning by default.
May-10-13  dx9293: I have no problem with a small swiss such as this. All the top contenders will end up facing each other anyway. This may actually be the best format because you don't have to lock out deserving players. I'm not sure how I feel about the wildcards though: it's basically politics there.

A round robin is fine too, of course, but should not have more than 14 players IMHO, unless you were going to do an arduous qualification system like in the Soviet Union. THAT would be epic!

May-11-13
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  HeMateMe: < TheFocus: The US Championship should be a strong 18 player round robin. Not a Swiss. Not a knockout. >

I agree. Too many players brings in an element of randomness. The top players absolutely have to beat the comparative weakies or get shut out of the top three places. 12-14 is a good number of players. The cream of the crop.

May-11-13
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  parmetd: I believe a swiss for a championship like this is the worst of all formats because a swiss was not meant to handle this. Look how many score groups are getting brokened every round to make the pairings.

while there is no "best" format... I think a small DRR would be best. I would design it such that: the two highest rated got in, two from us open,
top two from last year us champs,
two more from another larger rr done as a qualifier, us senior
us junior
the 10 players would make for an 18 person tournament WHOSE qualification would be clear and known. to those that say it is too many rounds... too bad... for many of these professional players this ONE EVENT represents 15%-25% of their yearly income. And trust me the players will love the lack of politics, the well known, clear and advanced notice of the qualification route, the DRR performance.

it would also eliminaye hobby players that are not coming here to improve and make their living but just want an easy check. It would also eliminate players from outside the US trying to steal US players big pay day without participating at least once more in the US.

And finally, I SAY TO HELL with this all this "give the youngsters a chance" bit.... they have the us junior, us open and the qualifier to TRY to EARN their way in. The point of a championship is to have the best duke it out!

but I know this system would never be accepted because it is too fair and limits the political invites to the RR qualifier.

May-11-13
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  parmetd: Plus just imagine all the good it would do elsewhere... GMs would play more in the qualifier events, and the event composition wouldn't be all thathdifferent. This year for example would have been: Gata Kamsky
Alex Onischuk
Sam Shankland
Ray Robson
Varuzhan Akobian
Marc Arnold
John Bryant
Dmitry Gurevich
Timurv Gareev
Alexander Ivanov

and one could argue with this system in place that the field would have been even stronger cause the US Open would have had more meaning. I think if for example you replace Ivanov, Gurevich, Bryant with for example Christiansen, Shabalov and Kaidanov... looks pretty strong yea? I convince anyone?

May-11-13
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  diceman: <HeMateMe: Or, approaching this from another angle, have the mighty Botvinnik, Tal or Kasparov ever come close to going 11-0>

Someone needs to tell Karjakin, there’s no Fischer prize in Norway.

May-11-13
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  perfidious: <Benzol: At odd times some kibitzers have compared the two tournaments and even thought that the Soviet tournament was full of patzers with the US Ch being the stronger one....>

This is straight bust-a-gut material; some of those 'patzers' emigrated and gave we American players a lesson or three. One was the first GM I ever faced in equal combat.

May-11-13  Strongest Force: I like to see up-and-commers like the talented youth that they mix with the pros. If they go 2-DR or 1-DR they should have more internat. tournaments for the youth.
May-11-13
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  Troller: <May-11-13 diceman: <HeMateMe: Or, approaching this from another angle, have the mighty Botvinnik, Tal or Kasparov ever come close to going 11-0>

Someone needs to tell Karjakin, there’s no Fischer prize in Norway.>

There would be quite a difference between scoring 100% in the Soviet Ch and to do the same in the American. Anyway I believe Alexander Beliavsky scored 100% in Alicante once, that would probably compare strengthwise.

May-11-13
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  perfidious: <Troller> That he did: clean score in thirteen games.

http://www.365chess.com/tournaments...

May-11-13  Marmot PFL: Again it looks like Kamsky is playing for the draw with white, and has a passive position.
May-11-13
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  pawn to QB4: <have the mighty Botvinnik, Tal or Kasparov ever come close to going 11-0> believe it or not, they haven't. But here's a decent score by Botvinnik in the USSR Championship: 15 - 2, the field a mite stronger than RJF had to face. http://graeme.50webs.com/chesschamp...
May-11-13  dx9293: <parmetd> Agreed about having the youngsters EARN their way in. I don't like politcs in selecting the field for the US Chp (i.e., wildcards). Let the qualification process be simple and clear to all.
May-11-13
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  perfidious: My guess is that Fischer, even at his zenith, would have been happy to make 15-2 in that field, rather a brutal one.
May-11-13  Strongest Force: Kamsky might be in some rd-8 trouble. Too much passive play perhaps.
May-11-13  Strongest Force: Well...thx to some big red moves, Kamsky seems to be on his way to 6.5/8.
May-11-13  Strongest Force: A perpetual saves Gareev. Before the red moves Gareev must have missed the much better game.
May-11-13  Marmot PFL: Kamsky reamins a half point ahead but 3 guys are right behind. None is as dangerous as Nakamura last year, but still Gata may need a win to avoid a playoff.
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