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🏆 FIDE Grand Prix Thessaloniki (2013)

Player: Alexander Grischuk

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Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Topalov vs Grischuk ½-½852013FIDE Grand Prix ThessalonikiE21 Nimzo-Indian, Three Knights
2. Grischuk vs Nakamura 1-01212013FIDE Grand Prix ThessalonikiC78 Ruy Lopez
3. Kamsky vs Grischuk ½-½372013FIDE Grand Prix ThessalonikiA48 King's Indian
4. Grischuk vs Bacrot ½-½532013FIDE Grand Prix ThessalonikiD02 Queen's Pawn Game
5. Ponomariov vs Grischuk  ½-½462013FIDE Grand Prix ThessalonikiC67 Ruy Lopez
6. Grischuk vs Morozevich  ½-½442013FIDE Grand Prix ThessalonikiC77 Ruy Lopez
7. Ivanchuk vs Grischuk ½-½132013FIDE Grand Prix ThessalonikiA39 English, Symmetrical, Main line with d4
8. Grischuk vs Caruana ½-½622013FIDE Grand Prix ThessalonikiC84 Ruy Lopez, Closed
9. Svidler vs Grischuk ½-½642013FIDE Grand Prix ThessalonikiE71 King's Indian, Makagonov System (5.h3)
10. Grischuk vs L Dominguez ½-½332013FIDE Grand Prix ThessalonikiD70 Neo-Grunfeld Defense
11. Kasimdzhanov vs Grischuk  ½-½252013FIDE Grand Prix ThessalonikiB80 Sicilian, Scheveningen
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Jun-04-13  Kanatahodets: < dahtah: My consolation now is Miami leading Indiana by 15 at halftime. Go Miami!> Someone watches baseball or basket? What's that? For me it was always like entertainment for masses. I don't blame I just invite for a discussion. It is not elitism, it is just a fact. Gladiators, boxing, baseball, basket you name it.
Jun-04-13  KlingonBorgTatar: <SugarDom>, Ok . This Italian American kid can be the best thing since Paolo Boi, El Greco, and the Italian Masters of Magellan's time. Is he really that good? I have not been looking at his games really ...
Jun-04-13
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  plang: <Someone watches baseball or basket? What's that? For me it was always like entertainment for masses. I don't blame I just invite for a discussion. It is not elitism, it is just a fact. Gladiators, boxing, baseball, basket you name it.>

It sounds like your criticism is based on its popularity. Isn't that elitism?

Jun-04-13  KlingonBorgTatar: <plang>, Miami just clobbered the Pacers this morning Manila time . As for its relevance , Chess players like us are sportsmen . And , any lesson to be gained from watching other sports will give us new insights onto how to win in chessport... This mornig' s basketball game enlightened me how to nurse a miniscule advantage onto a big win. Manny Pacman Pacquiao is a Chess player and can hold himself vs the best . Boxing and chess have a lot of things in common than most folks realize .
Jun-04-13  KlingonBorgTatar: Congatulations to Dominguez y Perez . As we say in the Spanish-Basque- Filipino game of Jai - Alai , DERECHO !! DOMINGUEZ y PEREZ!!!!
Jun-04-13  KlingonBorgTatar: BTW , is Jai Alai still played in Cuba?
For me , Jai Alai is the endurance sport par exellance . Simply put , SURViVAL of the fittest !!
Jun-04-13
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  sandtime: Anyboby got an opinion on the best two games of the tournament?
Jun-04-13  greenquark: KlingonBorgTatar: BTW , is Jai Alai still played in Cuba? yes, there are, at least, two "frontons". very good players down there
Jun-04-13  Conrad93: <You mean because today he won his game?>

Big deal. First win out of five successive loses. That is nothing to be proud of. He is the failure of this tournament.

Jun-04-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  whiteshark: And the winner of the <Drawko Award> is FIDE Grand Prix Thessaloniki (2013)/Alexander Grischuk
Jun-04-13  messachess: There are four candidates for the next 2800 player as you can see on 2700chess.com. I wouldn't necessarily favor any one of them over the rest.
Jun-04-13  messachess: <sandtime: Anyboby got an opinion on the best two games of the tournament?> One of them has to be a Moro game. Didn't he play an awesome 4 knights in one game?
Jun-04-13  messachess: On Caruana: There are three outstanding young players at the top (but below Carlsen), Caruana, Karjakin, and Nakamura. IMHO, the same thing limits each, inconsistency.

The big reason young Carlsen has been standing shoulder to shoulder with the very best since about age 18, is consistency. He rarely loses, but also manages to win enough, tournament after tournament after tournament.

Jun-04-13  dahtah: Caruana and Kamsky are the only real treat to Carlsen.The rest are all pretenders who are just trying to survive in Fide's top ten list.
Jun-04-13  messachess: < dahtah: Caruana and Kamsky are the only real treat to Carlsen.The rest are all pretenders who are just trying to survive in Fide's top ten list.> Of course, you don't include Kramnik and Anand among the 'pretenders.'

I agree about Caruana and
to a degree about Kamsky. He was truly great before his 10-year retirement and is just now, as it appears, rounding into his old form.

But he is 39 (June 2), kind of late for a comeback. Sure, he could become a wc match challenger, but it has to be soon one would think. Against who on the horizon would he have a chance?

If Anand wins in November, maybe, but against Carlsen? Now THAT would be a come back if he could pull it off.

Jun-04-13  dahtah: <messachesss>The records speak for Kamsky. He has a plus scores against Carlsen,Anand and Kramnik. While Anand and Kramnik are slowing down,Kamsky is getting back to his old form. Caruana on the other hand is like Carlsen.Beating rivals regularly.
Jun-04-13  dahtah: Grischuk is contented on drawing his games against the best players.A very good strategy on staying at Fide top list.
Jun-04-13  messachess: Well <dahtah>, I hope you're right about those two. I like them both. It is almost inevitable with Caruana that he will be within challenging distance for a long time and may well be wc soon, and sure, it would be most cool if Kamsky could do it.

The coolest thing in the world, however, would be if Ivanchuk or Morozevich could do it!

Jun-04-13  dahtah: Chucky can't do it Maybe in another planet he may become a WC.
Jun-04-13  SoUnwiseTheKnight B4: <Chucky can't do it Maybe in another planet he may become a WC.>

New planets are found constantly, i wonder if chucky would agree to the trip.

Jun-04-13  Conrad93: <The records speak for Kamsky. He has a plus scores against Carlsen,Anand and Kramnik. While Anand and Kramnik are slowing down,Kamsky is getting back to his old form. Caruana on the other hand is like Carlsen. Beating rivals regularly.>

Most of those wins are pre-2009.

Kamsky's only chance against Carlsen is in rapid.

Jun-04-13  Salty: <sandtime>Morozevich vs. Nakamura (1/2-1/2) and Caruana vs. Dominguez (0-1) were both very good.

Other than the Ivanchuk games, and a couple blunder losses by Svidler, Kamsky and Moro, most of the decisive games were good.

Jun-04-13  dahtah: if they gave Anand a decent chance to beat Carlsen so is Kamsky,who beat the world champ twice already after a decade absence of playing.Also he did not only beat Kramnik in a match,he demolished him.
Jun-05-13  fgh: <dahtah: Caruana and Kamsky are the only real treat to Carlsen.The rest are all pretenders who are just trying to survive in Fide's top ten list.>

This is pure stupidity. You are either insane or an American nationalist. Kramnik has been in the top 10 for 20 years. Karjakin is the youngest GM in history. Aronian is higher rated than than your American idols. Anand was in the top 3 for 12 or so straight years. Grischuk won the 2012 Blitz WCC. I could go on.

<dahtah: Also he did not only beat Kramnik in a match,he demolished him.>

ZZZZZZZZZZZZ. I'm afraid that a match played in 1994 doesn't reflect Kramnik's in strength in 2000 (when he took the "crown" from Kasparov) or in 2013, the current year (believe that or not; you're apparently still stuck in 1995).

<dahtah: Chucky can't do it Maybe in another planet he may become a WC.>

And maybe, on another planet, you can write intelligent posts.

<dahtah: <messachesss>The records speak for Kamsky. He has a plus scores against Carlsen,Anand and Kramnik.>

Great. As usual, somebody brings up games that Carlsen played when he was 16 or so.

<dahtah: Grischuk is contented on drawing his games against the best players.A very good strategy on staying at Fide top list.>

Wow, he must be really clever. Is there also a strategy for <entering> the FIDE top list?

Conclusion: you are mental.

Jun-05-13  messachess: Jeeeez <fgh>, lighten up. <dahtah> is right to single our Caruana and Kamsky as legitimate contenders. The real question we would like to ask, but cannot, is how would the 18 year old Kamsky have done against the 18 year old Carlsen.

We may get an off-handed chance to find out. Kamsky appears to be coming up to his old form.

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