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🏆 8th Edmonton International (2013)

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Player: Maxim Doroshenko

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Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. M Doroshenko vs R O Perez Garcia 0-13220138th Edmonton InternationalD11 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
2. E Hansen vs M Doroshenko 0-13920138th Edmonton InternationalB12 Caro-Kann Defense
3. M Doroshenko vs E Porper 0-14620138th Edmonton InternationalE06 Catalan, Closed, 5.Nf3
4. V M Mikhalevski vs M Doroshenko 0-13520138th Edmonton InternationalA11 English, Caro-Kann Defensive System
5. M Doroshenko vs Short 0-17220138th Edmonton InternationalD02 Queen's Pawn Game
6. M Doroshenko vs R Gardner  ½-½4320138th Edmonton InternationalB07 Pirc
7. D Haessel vs M Doroshenko  ½-½3820138th Edmonton InternationalA17 English
8. M Doroshenko vs L Bruzon Batista 0-14620138th Edmonton InternationalA70 Benoni, Classical with 7.Nf3
9. R Wang vs M Doroshenko  1-03720138th Edmonton InternationalA55 Old Indian, Main line
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Jun-27-13
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  Big Pawn: <Everett> I remember all the draws back in the 90's. The games sucked.

Rules against early drawing might be working. I didn't know about them really. I haven't been paying attention. But what is so unfair about this scoring system? It seems really good! It provides a great incentive to win!

Jun-27-13  Edmontonchessclub: <BigPawn>, I agree. My favourite tournaments have both: Rules against early drawing, and 3-1 scoring. Quite a few top-level tournaments (some that Magnus Carlsen plays in) have adopted this system.
Jun-27-13  parmetd: yea but even if a tournament is good that has nothing to do with 3-1 which is shameful for the chess world.
Jun-27-13  Edmontonchessclub: I disagree, it is not shameful, it is a positive improvement. And many others feel the same way, though they may not be in the majority.

Shameful is corruption in government, or the needless death of a child. You should reserve strong words for the proper circumstances.

Jun-27-13
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  HeMateMe: The 40 move draw rule, and no draw without the arbiter inspecting the position seem reasonable.

Looking at Magnus fight his way to full points in drawish looking positions tells me that it is the player's motivation to win the tournament, not the scoring rules, which is the most important factor.

Jun-27-13  achieve: <yea but even if a tournament is good that has nothing to do with 3-1 which is shameful for the chess world.

Jun-27-13 Edmontonchessclub: I disagree, it is not shameful, it is a positive improvement. And many others feel the same way, though they may not be in the majority.

Shameful is corruption in government, or the needless death of a child. You should reserve strong words for the proper circumstances.> I whole-heartedly agree. I do not by any means as a rule copy/paste entire posts, but here the exception-to-the-rule principle fully applies.

Contrastingly, political or elitist jargon tends to make use of an insider vocab where all kinds of euphemisms have replaced incidents and actions that <do merit> characterizations like "shameful", "disgraceful", "atrocious", instead of "unfortunate incident / collateral damage / worrisome developments" etc.

At the same time a PM who was forced to step down is being described in the Media in exaggerated terms that do not in any way relate to real-life horror situations that do merit such powerfully worded denunciation.

The old doublespeak ploy, Black becomes White, and vice versa.

Speaking of, still more Black wins?

Only one righteous and upstanding man has played <1. e4> sofar?

That would be quite errr.... a disgrace? ;)

Thankfully we can still use irony, sarcasm, and hyperbole to colour our descriptions and relay our feelings.

Jun-27-13  achieve: A cursory glance reveals Black wins still leading, by 9 to 6, over White, and a meager two <1. e4>s in TWENTY GAMES??

[insert epiglottal sounds indicating abhorrence]

Jun-27-13  Everett: I recognize the points on both sides of the scoring system, and I certainly don't want to antagonize anyone. I have come to a bit of a realization though, which may be obvious to others but hasn't been to me until recently though: chess is a hard game in general, and even harder to win. In fact, something extraordinary has to happen at the chessboard to defeat a good player, and I've grown to love this about chess. I've grown to appreciate stalemates and fortresses, and the ingenious attempts to circumvent these drawing traps in the middlegame. I've really come to enjoy modern chess, the striving for fresh territory, the crazy positional tactics, the chaotic harmony.

And after all that, often there is a draw, but there is really no shame in this. In fact, chess is likely the most interesting game ever created where there is often no winner.

On a related note, I have a "dream" of sorts: a player will come around who is unbeatable, great in all areas, both physical and mental. Yet he subtly allows himself to "fall" into a drawing trap every game. He is equal or better after brilliant play in every single game, but is content just to draw.

Jun-27-13  parmetd: You pretty much just summed up the problem with 3-1-0 without even trying Everett. To give more points for a win is to say a draw is a shameful - when we know draws are part of the game. 3-1-0 also increases the chances of collusion and the chances that a person who DID not win the event might actually win based off incorrect scoring (as has happened before). At any rate, life is too short to argue. I salute people that are trying to help chess. I always wonder about those who help with one hand and hurt with the other the very game they are trying to help.
Jun-27-13  dx9293: I also agree and have said many times (Biel, London, etc.) that 3-1-0 is stupid and a crime against chess.

<parmetd> is on the money: proponents of 3-1-0 *say* that they are not against draws, only against short draws, but I don't believe this. I really think it's this harmful mentality that chess needs to somehow be "entertaining" and so we "need" decisive results.

Sofia rules should be enough to stop short draws if that's what organizers REALLY want to avoid...but I think the real intention is to have as few draws as possible, period. THAT I think is wrong.

Still, I commend the Edmonton organizers for continuing to stage this nice event!

Jun-28-13  parmetd: I agree <dx9293>. Also, I think Kramnik's solution that if a game was drawn too quickly then do an exhibition... or Seirawan's solution to switch colors should suffice... Otherwise, just acknowledge that draws DO happen. I have worked London Classic twice now and the one thing the players constantly hint as *the only* problem with the event is the 3-1-0 scoring. The players can't come out directly to say such things publicly because it is their paycheck... but suffice it to say sofia rules have worked.

Regardless, I 2nd <Still, I commend the Edmonton organizers for continuing to stage this nice event!>

Jun-28-13  Edmontonchessclub: Bruzon won again!
Jun-28-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  HeMateMe: Looks like Nige won't be getting the sled this year. Does second place get a couple of cases of Molson? No small consolation, IMO.
Jun-28-13
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  Dionysius1: <HeMateMe> Yes, that's Gary Kasparov and Nigel Short.
Jun-28-13  Edmontonchessclub: Bruzon's live rating should be over 2700 again, with his win last night over GM Hansen.
Jun-28-13  waustad: I just clicked on it and it is still going. It is so very rare that I deal with a tournament that is West of where I live.
Jun-29-13  Edmontonchessclub: Bruzon won yet again. 5 wins and one draw so far.
Jun-29-13  twinlark: <Edmontonchessclub: Bruzon's live rating should be over 2700 again, with his win last night over GM Hansen.>

Not quite.

That win didn't fully recover the points lost because of his draw against Garcia. His subsequent win against Porper brought him up to 2699.8.

Bruzon has to defeat all 3 of his remaining opponents to reach 2700 and stay there as any draws will drag him back below 2700.

Jun-29-13  Edmontonchessclub: <Twinlark> Thanks.
Jun-30-13  Edmontonchessclub: Bruzon won again in round 7. So did Short.
Jun-30-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  HeMateMe: Who was the first winner of this event, eight years ago?
Jun-30-13  Doniez: Here you'll find the table with all the winners of previous editions http://www.edmonton-international.c.... By the way, congrats to GM Bruzon, he is now in the 2700 club again after his great performance!
Jun-30-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  Octavia: to draw a game seems to be a great achievement. If I could do that any time, I'd play in strong comps all the time & my grade would go up & up & up.

For a GM to draw against lower rated opposition is bad of course. Therefore in a comp such as this, no top player would draw if s/he could help it. Therefore the 3 - 1 system is unnecessary & insulting on top. Why tell the players how to play?

Jun-30-13  Edmontonchessclub: So the winner of the 1st Edmonton International, in 2006, was IM Peter Vavrak of Slovakia. He is now a GM.
Jun-30-13  Nicocobas: <twinlark> and <Doniez> Is Bruzón back at 2700 or not? Doesn't FIDE (or whatever the proper organization is) consider 2699.8=2700? You've got to be kidding.
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