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|1. Caruana vs Ponomariov
||1-0||41||2014||Dortmund Sparkassen||C42 Petrov Defense|
|2. Caruana vs G Meier
||1-0||38||2014||Dortmund Sparkassen||C11 French|
|3. Leko vs Naiditsch
||1-0||50||2014||Dortmund Sparkassen||D36 Queen's Gambit Declined, Exchange, Positional line, 6.Qc2|
|4. Caruana vs Adams
||1-0||48||2014||Dortmund Sparkassen||C67 Ruy Lopez|
|5. Naiditsch vs Ponomariov
||1-0||49||2014||Dortmund Sparkassen||C95 Ruy Lopez, Closed, Breyer|
|6. Ponomariov vs Kramnik
||1-0||56||2014||Dortmund Sparkassen||C67 Ruy Lopez|
|7. G Meier vs Naiditsch
||1-0||65||2014||Dortmund Sparkassen||E98 King's Indian, Orthodox, Taimanov, 9.Ne1|
|8. Adams vs D Baramidze
||1-0||43||2014||Dortmund Sparkassen||C95 Ruy Lopez, Closed, Breyer|
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|Jul-21-14|| ||Shams: Maybe <IraqSon> was cryogenically frozen in 2010 and has only just awakened.|
|Jul-21-14|| ||Sneaky: There once was a player,
A Kasparov slayer,
With quite an expansive forehead.
When he was good,
He was very good indeed,
But when he was bad he was horrid.
|Jul-21-14|| ||Shams: <Sneaky> Nice. I'm submitting that to MQ.|
|Jul-21-14|| ||chancho: <Shams> I had read (on his player page) that he was 8 years old when he began his tutelage under Bruce Pandolfini.|
Out of curiousity, I went to the USCF site to see Caruana's very first participation in a Chess tournament, and it was a four round swiss tourney on May 30, 1998.
<POLGAR CHESS CENTER'S SCHOLAST
Location REGO PARK, NY 11374 USA
Event Date 1998-05-30>
Caruana was born on July 30, 1992, which means he was not yet 6 years of age.
His claim in the interview is indeed curious.
|Jul-21-14|| ||Everett: <curious> meaning lie maybe.|
|Jul-21-14|| ||Shams: <Everett> Caruana does not strike me as a liar, and who would lie about something so easily discoverable?|
|Jul-21-14|| ||Sally Simpson: Hi Shams.
The lad who wrote the article/interview in 2012 received some comments over this.
This was posted in his comments box:
"USCF has his tournament records and his first Scholastic tournament was played in 1998 when he was 5.
By age 10, he'd played more than 400 tournaments and had a USCF rating of 2050+ already. This is a horrible interview.
Somebody please get the facts straight and apologize for the fiction."
"Im asked, Fabiano answered - not more. In this moment he was thinking about chess problem, I don't know. It's so important, you mean? I don't check his biography before this interview, really. This im my omission... Check it only after your letter. Maybe you are right."
He admits not checking Caruana's bio before the interview so he could not question him on this. (Apparently Caruana was solving a problem at the time of the interview.)
I'm specualting that Caruana said he saw Chess on his mobile and never gave the age - the writer added 10 because that is how old he was when he got his first mobile. (it's a plausible theory and explains things. Writers on chess add bits all the time if they are unsure. Read practically everything written about Bobby Fischer.)
The same writer also got pulled up about the rest of the interview.
"What is surprising is that Atarov had no knowledge of him being born and raised in the U.S.
There was an assumption that he was born in Italy, liked football and spoke Italian.
He asked if he likes risotto and pizza?? Good grief. Fabiano had already mentioned having lived in the U.S. for a long time and Atarov continues with Italian references.
I'm not sure he has ever lived in Italy for any period of time. A little research would have helped the interview."
That last post was dated 2012.
|Jul-22-14|| ||HeMateMe: 400 tournaments in 5 years? Are you talking about Jay Bonin or Fabio?|
|Jul-22-14|| ||Absentee: <Shams: <Everett> Caruana does not strike me as a liar, and who would lie about something so easily discoverable?>|
Besides, I don't see what difference it would make. He isn't any better or worse for having started playing at 6, 8 or 10. Maybe he has a dark motive. Or the interviewer got it wrong. Or he just messed up the chronology.
|Jul-22-14|| ||dx9293: I don't understand how HMM seems to think it impossible for someone to challenge Carlsen, especially a younger player who clearly continues to improve and has shown no fear or psychological issues with the Norwegian unlike nearly everyone else.|
Will Fabiano succeed? Time will tell, but he definitely has his chances.
|Jul-22-14|| ||chancho: By the time Caruana was 12 years old, he had been playing Chess for some 6 years and a few months.|
His tournament activity during that time is voluminous to say the least.
(Check the USCF site.)
Fabiano improved by leaps and bounds.
But his saying that he accidently found the game at 10 and by 12 was already into a professional career makes it sound even more impressive.
I don't think he would deliberately lie about something that could be easily checked by other people.
The more plausible explanation (as given by Sally Simpson) is that the interviewer just got it wrong.
Something got lost in the translation between the interviewee and the interviewer.
|Jul-22-14|| ||HeMateMe: <dx9293:> He hasn't had anything at all like MC's tournament dominance. Carlsen was doing much of that while still a teenager. They are only one year apart in age, but MC has been among the world's top five for the past five years.|
It seems likely that he will at some point win a Candidates tournament and have a match with Carlsen. I just don't see him winning that match. I guess we'll all find out together.
|Jul-22-14|| ||Kinghunt: Unless I've missed something, Caruana has won four supertournaments in the last two years:|
Dortmund 2012, 2014
In 2008 and 2009 (starting when he was 17 and only rated 2733), Carlsen won five supertournaments. So Caruana is just a tad less dominant than Carlsen was when he was 18. It's impressive, to be sure, but nowhere near the level Carlsen has been playing for the last several years.
Above all, Caruana needs to work on his consistency - that is what truly sets Carlsen apart. Events like last year's edition of Dortmund just cannot happen if wants to challenge Carlsen, who hasn't had a single sub-2800 performance in over four years.
|Jul-22-14|| ||mrfuddington: Yeah the important thing is that Caruana wins games against Carlsen when they play. At least a match between them would be exciting.|
|Jul-22-14|| ||Chris321: I Think Psychological issues like how to handle pressure will be the telling factor if Carlsen and Caruana ever meets in a World Championship match.Carlsen got his vulnerable days like anyone...but when Carlsen is on a roll he's a very cool Hombre for sure,and in that lies a lot of his strength,he is confident,very sure of his own strengths and weaknesses looks like and that makes him good,and that makes him even better than just plain good.I think the best of Carlsen(and Caruana!) is yet to come...what gives me that idea is that sometimes you get the impression during his games that he is toying with players in the higher 2700 range and if that is true his opponents are in for some fearsome hidings to come...as i post this quite a couple of games as possible evidence comes to mind,one game against Caruana where Carlsen had the white pieces...that game where he sac the exhange-rook for bishop,a Ruy Lopez,was positional of the highest quality,something in that class rarely seen!.|
|Jul-22-14|| ||Everett: <Shams> I didn't say Caruana lied. I was suggesting that <it> was a lie. I was not placing blame. Apologies for being unclear.|
|Jul-23-14|| ||Chris321: <Shams: How about Meier, +1 and equal second. Not bad at all. >
Meyer is not +1,he won two so +2,he lost 1 and drew 4.Leko was +1 the only game Leko won!.|
|Jul-23-14|| ||plang: ?!? +1 means the player won one more game than he lost so both Leko and Meier are both +1|
|Jul-23-14|| ||frandie: <Will Fabiano succeed? Time will tell, but he definitely has his chances.>|
Yeah...he is given unlimited supply of tokens to play the slot machine, he will hit the jackpot sooner or later.
|Jul-23-14|| ||Chris321: The way i got it(take for instance Caruana's score 5.5/7 that is +4 -0 =3,so 4wins,0 losses,3 draws gives you exactly 5.5 points.
Therefore:Leko +1-0=6 gives him his 4 points
Meyer +2-1=4...2wins 1oss 4draws is exactly his4/7points.
Cant be that difficult eh?
|Jul-23-14|| ||MarkFinan: https://twitter.com/godofcourse007/...|
Can someone tell me who played this game??
|Jul-23-14|| ||SetNoEscapeOn: <Cant be that difficult eh?>|
Not if you understand the simple concept, which is exactly what <plang> said.
|Jul-23-14|| ||whiteshark: <SNEO> +1|
|Jul-23-14|| ||dx9293: <Carlsen-Caruana> Caruana does not have to be as "dominant" as Carlsen to beat him in a World Championship match. |
To become World #1? Yes, but that's small potatoes compared to being Champion.
I'm not saying Caruana *will* defeat Carlsen, I'm merely saying that he has his chances, and that fans <assuming> Carlsen will hardly be challenged over the next 10+ years are putting the cart before the horse.
Who knows, MVL might jump over Karjakin as Carlsen's 1990 challenger. One never knows with such things, and to try and predict it with statistics misses the point.
I don't think Vishy has a very good chance in Sochi, but maybe he will shock the world...
I think Sasha Grischuk would be a PITA to deal with in a WC match, actually. Don't say I didn't warn you.
The next few years should be interesting.
|Jul-23-14|| ||lakers4sho: whats PITA|
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