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|Sep-09-14|| ||SirRuthless: There is going to be a recording released later. Just assume Aronian won and go about your business...|
|Sep-09-14|| ||bobthebob: <Any info on the 960 match today? Was expecting a livestream but don't see anything.>|
First game on ICC now. around move 36.
queens and opposite color bishops, pawns: 5 vs. 6. the type of position that looks drawn but that Magnus would win..with either color.
|Sep-09-14|| ||bobthebob: first game drawn.|
|Sep-09-14|| ||bobthebob: game 2. move 21, queens off and there are 6 pieces and 1 pawn all on one file. fun.|
|Sep-09-14|| ||SirRuthless: I am on FICS so can't follow live, can you keep us updated?|
|Sep-09-14|| ||bobthebob: Nakamura wins second game.
Four more games, but I got to go.
|Sep-09-14|| ||bobthebob: Oddly enough, game 2 followed the 960 game between Smyrylovi and Kastorinov from 1984. Seems like Nakamura found a novelty that resulted in the exchange. I think Aronian had a fortress, but I think since there is no increment, he had to try something since he was down on time.|
|Sep-09-14|| ||bobthebob: Game 3 started...waiting for my ride, so I'll post as long as I can. Games are 15 minutes.|
|Sep-09-14|| ||SirRuthless: Thanks alot.|
|Sep-09-14|| ||bobthebob: Match tied at 2.5|
|Sep-09-14|| ||SirRuthless: Any more detail than that? Colors? Position?|
|Sep-09-14|| ||HeMateMe: <Sally Simpson:>
how's uncle Ernie treating you, these days?
|Sep-09-14|| ||bobthebob: Nakamura won.
Starting position for last game.
Had black in last game.
The starting positioned seemed similar so I don't know if they used the same position.
|Sep-09-14|| ||bobthebob: What surprised me for this game is that there were several times where Nakamura went into a "long" think (e.g. 1-2 minutes in a 15 minute game) and fell behind on time a couple of times.|
|Sep-09-14|| ||SirRuthless: Thanks for the coverage. 960 is strange because you have to change your thought process depending on the initial positions. No help from theory, you either understand the structures and adapt or you are a fish out of water. I hope they release the video soon though, I am sure it was exciting.|
|Sep-09-14|| ||bobthebob: Also, odd factoid, black had 5 wins out of 6 games. Other game drawn.|
|Sep-09-14|| ||bobthebob: The other thing I found interesting is that eventually the games looked like a normal game - e.g. you would never guess that it started as 960. |
That may be because the players are trying to steer the game into something they are more used to seeing.
|Sep-09-14|| ||SirRuthless: That is really bizarre. Usually when black wins like that it is because white over extends. Without theory to help you for the first 15 moves or so it can be easy to lose the thread.|
|Sep-09-14|| ||SirRuthless: <<bobthebob>: The other thing I found interesting is that eventually the games looked like a normal game - e.g. you would never guess that it started as 960.|
That may be because the players are trying to steer the game into something they are more used to seeing.>
That is completely normal. I play a little 960 on FICS and that is usally what players try to do. Sounds strategy will lead to the King getting to safety, the centralization of the pieces and the pawns are already in the right place. I think 960 is the future of chess because it is being solved from both sides and the only way to slow this down is kill duplicate games through the opening.
|Sep-09-14|| ||schweigzwang: <I think 960 is the future of chess>|
I hope we see more of it but I guess I'm a pessimist.
|Sep-09-14|| ||bobthebob: <I think 960 is the future of chess>|
I would like that too, but I am not too hopeful (the last official event at the high level was back in 2009.)
What I like is that it does make chess more accessible. I don't have to get into a game and say "oh crap, he is playing the reverse Sicilian Remoitov opening and I think that unless I play b-e2 after he plays a6, my position will quickly deteriorate.
Instead it is "okay, crazy position, king safety, coordinate pieces, etc...now how do I best do that?".
|Sep-09-14|| ||Kinghunt: Chess could borrow a page from checkers, at least in DRRs or other events where all matchups are paired.|
Strong checkers players can draw 100% of their games if they want to (at least with "white", not sure about with "black"). That's not an exaggeration, it is literally 100%. Obviously, that's a big problem in tournaments and other competitions. So they have something similar to chess 960 - a ton of interesting openings are put into a hat, one is drawn, then two games are played <with that opening>, one game with each color.
That could easily be adapted for chess, being in the same vein as 960 yet less extreme. You can put all kinds of crazy opening lines in the hat, and it doesn't even matter if the position at the end of them (where play would actually start) is balanced or not, as each player will have to play it once with each color.
The latest season of TCEC used this system, and it produced a number of spectacular games. I would love to see a human chess tournament with this system employed.
|Sep-09-14|| ||bobthebob: <kinghunt>
How about a modification?
Two types of tournaments. Prep and no prep.
In a prep tournament the players are told when the tournament dates are announced what the starting position will be. This way, they can get their seconds and their computers all working feverishly for a couple of months to see what they can come up with.
The non prep obviously is just sit people down to the board and give them maybe 15 minutes without computers or seconds to think about it before the game starts.
|Sep-09-14|| ||SirRuthless: Why not just have more 960 events at more normal time controls? There is no effective prep for 960. The likelihood that you will benefit from a familiar starting position is minute and your computer can't be used to win the game from home by move 15 with some deep prep which is what is happening to classical chess. Not saying it should replace classical but classical should be de-emphasized a bit to make more room for variants which can help raise interest and keep the game alive and accessible for mere mortals like most of us who posses neither the time nor memory to deeply memorize long lines like bob alluded to earlier.|
|Sep-10-14|| ||1971: Where are the games between Aronian and Nakamura?|
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