| page 1 of 3; games 1-25 of 66
|1. Carlsen vs A Giri
||½-½||36||2019||Sinquefield Cup||A28 English|
|2. Nakamura vs Caruana
||½-½||43||2019||Sinquefield Cup||C80 Ruy Lopez, Open|
|3. Ding Liren vs W So
||½-½||40||2019||Sinquefield Cup||A14 English|
|4. Aronian vs M Vachier-Lagrave
||½-½||25||2019||Sinquefield Cup||A48 King's Indian|
|5. I Nepomniachtchi vs Anand
||0-1||77||2019||Sinquefield Cup||A21 English|
|6. Karjakin vs Mamedyarov
||½-½||31||2019||Sinquefield Cup||B01 Scandinavian|
|7. Mamedyarov vs Nakamura
||½-½||44||2019||Sinquefield Cup||D37 Queen's Gambit Declined|
|8. M Vachier-Lagrave vs W So
|| ||½-½||43||2019||Sinquefield Cup||C53 Giuoco Piano|
|9. A Giri vs Aronian
||½-½||53||2019||Sinquefield Cup||C50 Giuoco Piano|
|10. Karjakin vs Ding Liren
||½-½||35||2019||Sinquefield Cup||C89 Ruy Lopez, Marshall|
|11. Caruana vs I Nepomniachtchi
||½-½||35||2019||Sinquefield Cup||B90 Sicilian, Najdorf|
|12. Anand vs Carlsen
||½-½||45||2019||Sinquefield Cup||B31 Sicilian, Rossolimo Variation|
|13. I Nepomniachtchi vs Mamedyarov
|| ||½-½||53||2019||Sinquefield Cup||C78 Ruy Lopez|
|14. Nakamura vs Karjakin
||½-½||104||2019||Sinquefield Cup||E10 Queen's Pawn Game|
|15. W So vs A Giri
||½-½||37||2019||Sinquefield Cup||E06 Catalan, Closed, 5.Nf3|
|16. Ding Liren vs M Vachier-Lagrave
|| ||½-½||50||2019||Sinquefield Cup||D85 Grunfeld|
|17. Carlsen vs Caruana
||½-½||43||2019||Sinquefield Cup||D39 Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin, Vienna Variation|
|18. Aronian vs Anand
||½-½||42||2019||Sinquefield Cup||C50 Giuoco Piano|
|19. Karjakin vs I Nepomniachtchi
|| ||½-½||21||2019||Sinquefield Cup||E60 King's Indian Defense|
|20. A Giri vs M Vachier-Lagrave
|| ||½-½||45||2019||Sinquefield Cup||D86 Grunfeld, Exchange|
|21. Nakamura vs Ding Liren
||½-½||47||2019||Sinquefield Cup||C84 Ruy Lopez, Closed|
|22. Caruana vs Aronian
||1-0||53||2019||Sinquefield Cup||C65 Ruy Lopez, Berlin Defense|
|23. Mamedyarov vs Carlsen
||½-½||68||2019||Sinquefield Cup||D45 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav|
|24. Anand vs W So
||½-½||42||2019||Sinquefield Cup||C42 Petrov Defense|
|25. Aronian vs Mamedyarov
||½-½||54||2019||Sinquefield Cup||C42 Petrov Defense|
| page 1 of 3; games 1-25 of 66
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 26 OF 26 ·
|Sep-03-19|| ||Sokrates: Hi, <AylerKupp>. |
I was merely expressing that Chinese might not have a comma, but I am certainly not a Sinologist - at all. Meanwhile, poster <wych> seems to bear knowledge about this, so I'll set my trust in his post.
We all digress from chess now and then on this very site. IMO that's perfectly okay, particularly when the tournament is over. It's the digressions which make this site interesting to me, since it lets the many erudite posters here come to word (myself excluded, of course).
|Sep-04-19|| ||jphamlore: Why does St. Louis feel the need to demonstrate that a 56-year old mostly retired Garry Kasparov can be dominated at some variant of chess by the world's #2 player, Caruana, half the age of Kasparov, in Caruana's prime?|
|Sep-04-19|| ||Sokrates: It was labelled "Showdown Chess", a kind of promotion of chess in my understanding. I think it is a fun idea to let the old magician play with the elite of today - although some of them were opponents from Kasparov's heydays. I don't think even Kasparov would suffer from the illusion that he'd be stronger than Caruana, but it's great entertainment and promotion for chess.|
|Sep-04-19|| ||starry2013: Kasparov is just too slow now. But what puzzles me is why Sinquefield thought that the match format was worth redoing, he should just admit he was wrong and have everyone play each other. Just like last year you find a lot of lopsided matches.|
|Sep-04-19|| ||WorstPlayerEver: Kasparov is much about Kasparov. Just like Fischer he eventually became a capitalist pig. Sold out.|
NB I cleverly figured out why Fischer refused to become a sponsored donkey in the 70s. He was mama's commie boy. Eastern Europe was still a thing, you see.
So yeah all this hardship with tournament organizers, businessmen etc. etc. came from his mother. Une idéologiste pur sang. Cute.
"Look mam, I can handle my own membership now, you don't have to place an add again..."
"Hell no, Bobby, I don't want you to become one of those serial killers!"
|Sep-04-19|| ||keypusher: <Worst Post Ever>|
Even your posts about AlphaZero aren't this stupid and incoherent.
|Sep-04-19|| ||saffuna: <NB I cleverly figured out why Fischer refused to become a sponsored donkey in the 70s. He was mama's commie boy. Eastern Europe was still a thing, you see.>|
"Cleverly" is not the first word that comes to my mind.
|Sep-04-19|| ||morfishine: <HeMateMe: In the Midwest they call an 8 ounce glass of beer "a tap" as in, "Bartender can I get a tap?" Hearing someone in a lot of USA areas ask for "a pint" is kind of rare. That's east coast lingo, but not Midwest. They just ask for "a tall one" [a pint] or a "a tap" or "a short one."> Please flush this nonsense, and yesterday|
|Sep-04-19|| ||messachess: Am I not seeing it here? I do not see the tie break games anywhere.|
|Sep-04-19|| ||MissScarlett: Sinquefield Cup Tiebreaks (2019)|
|Sep-04-19|| ||Sally Simpson: ***
The Carlsen - Ding tie break games No's 52-55
|Sep-05-19|| ||Sokrates: World Cup Knockout in Khanty-Mansiysk, Russia, should be the next big event (10 Sep > 3 Oct). With many of those from St Louis participating, but not Carlsen and Caruana. A chance for the "bottom" here to redeem themselves. I would be happy to see good "old" Aronian show his talent. For Ding it could be another triumph.|
|Sep-06-19|| ||botvinnik64: @Sokrates: I, too, would love to see Nepo and Ding shine; MVL, as well? We need fighters in this game. 960 was a breath of fresh air. In 20 years we will, I think, acknowledge several champs: Classical, 960, Blitz, Rapid...maybe another variant well. Thoughts?|
|Sep-07-19|| ||Sokrates: Hi, <botvinnik64>, thanks for your notions. |
As you know formats have been discussed here for quite a while. My suggestion has been and still is a sort of amalgamation between the classic and the rapid formats. A format of one hour per player plus some kind of increment after move 40. So that we end with two formats, the 1hr and the blitz.
<We need fighters in this game.> Absolutely, but we also need personalities, players with a wider horizon than the next game. Thinkers like Steinitz, Lasker, Botvinnik, Keres, Kasparov, who moved the understanding of the game forward and upwards. With the aid of computer programmes the players have become more technocrats than artists, thus actually quite uninteresting as persons. Besides chess, what subjects of conversation would you have with Ding Liren and MVL? No idea? I haven't any.
|Sep-07-19|| ||botvinnik64: Ha! Yeah, the only interesting cat I'd have dinner with would be Svidler - and Kasparov, of course, the rest, as you suggest, might be a little narrow-minded, but I'm no scholar myself. But what about 960 - do you think that we will be talking in 10-20 years about the 960 champ the way we currently think of the Classical Champ? So people will have their choice of champs. There will be camps defending their chess champ, perhaps?|
|Sep-08-19|| ||Sokrates: I like the idea behind the Fischer Random or 960 if you prefer. It's a way to go back to the basics of the game: the manoeuvrings of the pieces, the exploration of completely and constantly new constellations.|
Both reduced time and Fischer Random seek the same goal: to prevent that memorized pre-laid patterns will dominate the game.
This is actually the reality of games today. The players with the somewhat autistic capability to memorize long lines of "best" moves certainly have an edge over the intuitive, spontaneous players.
I know, when theory ends, the "memorizers" are on their own as much as the "intuitives", but before that they may have gained as much advantage that the win would be rather technical.
We tend to forget what chess is.
To some it's a sort of science and it's only natural to use the best tools (= computer programs) to solve the complications rationally. Thus, the players who are best at adapting the approach of computers will be the best to achieve success. The goal is actually to become the best human computer.
To others, like myself, the game of chess is meant to be an intellectual challenge between human minds. It's unfortunate for chess that humans have invented computer programs that take over the intellectual pleasure of humans. Svidler says it in the new edition of New in Chess magazine: There are no post mortems in chess anymore. Anyone knows that you can sit for an hour and analyse the game with your opponent and yet not get the best result, which is obtained in seconds with your laptop in your hotel room shortly thereafter.
Mr Levitov recently arranged an exclusive tournament in Amsterdam where he wanted to push against the reign of computer programmes, he wanted to make the GMs happy playing chess again.
Shorter time formats - increasing the rate of errors - is one way of doing it. Fischer Random another and perhaps better way. As long as something is done about it, I am glad. I am not happy with the present state of the game, where technocrats often triumph intuitives.
If speed was the goal, a man in a racing car would always triumph the runner who only uses his own legs. I prefer watching a 100 meter run for humans to the same for racing cars. But I am a hopeless romantic! :-)
|Sep-08-19|| ||botvinnik64: @Sokrates - I hear ya, brother. Especially the part about being a Romantic. Will there be "romantic" openings in Fischer Random, you think?|
|Sep-09-19|| ||ex0duz: <keithbc: thought it was Liren Ding (ie last name is Ding)??>|
Yes, his last name is Ding, but it is a Chinese name and in Chinese its always pronounced last name first, so it would be Ding Li Ren.
Even in English, no Chinese would say Liren Ding, and most Chinese adopt an English name and don't use Li Ren. That is usually only reserved close family, like parents or grandparents and shows a level of "familiarity" and it would be kind of rude for strangers or random to just be using it. I guess kind of like Japanese if that helps you to understand. This also exists in English but it's to a greater degree in Chinese and Japanese.
So basically just call him Ding, or Ding Li Ren in English. Li ren just sounds off. Disclaimer I am Chinese.
|Sep-09-19|| ||Sokrates: <ex0duz: ... So basically just call him Ding, or Ding Li Ren in English. Li ren just sounds off. Disclaimer I am Chinese.>|
If you step a couple of pages back you'll find my quote from an interview with DL, where he says this:
<Ding Liren (DL): My first name is Liren and my family name is Ding. Everyone in China calls me Ding Liren. Usually people call me with my full name or the first name, but using my family name is also fine.>
It seems to me that DL, meanwhile having become a cosmopolitan, doesn't feel offended or regard it rude, when "people" call him Ding Liren, Ding, or Liren. He seems to be quite relaxed in this matter. I have never seen his first name spelled Li Ren, and since DL must have seen it zillion times spelled Liren - which should be taken as an acceptance - I wonder why you think it's Li Ren.
Anyway, I think we have exhausted this rather insignificant issue by now :-)
|Sep-09-19|| ||keypusher: <Sokrates> I assume because Liren (or Li Ren) is two different characters in Chinese. His full name: 丁立人|
|Sep-09-19|| ||AylerKupp: <<Sokrates> Anyway, I think we have exhausted this rather insignificant issue by now :-)>|
I have a list called "25 Thoughts to Help Get You Through Any Crisis". Whenever I started a new project at work I would change "Any Crisis" to "the <project name> project" and posted it outside my office. It saved me much time having to answer questions since I would just say the number of the appropriate thought and the person usually went away.
One of my favorites was: "The more you run over a dead cat, the flatter it gets." It seems appropriate here.
|Sep-09-19|| ||Sokrates: Many thanks, <keypusher> - that's a splendid explanation, settling the question definitely.|
<AylerKupp> LOL - I shall remember the flat cat henceforth.
"Cross out and move on!"
August Strindberg, Swedish playwright (1849-1912)
|Sep-12-19|| ||chancho: < After winning the inaugural (4-player) Sinquefield Cup in 2013, I’ve struggled quite a bit in several of the subsequent events with shared 1st last year as the main highlight.|
The Sinquefield Cup is part of the Grand Chess Tour and the field was identical to the Zagreb field in June/July, but with alternate color pairings.
My rather awful performance in the Rapid & Blitz event the week before Sinquefield Cup eroded some of the confidence gained in Zagreb and previous tournaments. Starting with several draws (and more draws, and…) was frustrating, but I wasn’t overly surprised that victory eluded me for so many rounds. On the bright side the opening preparation worked well (cudos to Peter Heine and his team), and I didn’t have any really dubious or seriously worse positions during the eleven rounds. My play was not as good as in Zagreb, and I did miss a great opportunity against Mamedyarov.
The round 8 game against Ding Liren was amazing. As white I sacrificed two pawns for a lasting initiative, and Ding had to maneuver a minefield just to stay alive. I simply couldn’t believe that his king would survive in the g-file, but he managed to find a beautiful geometrical defense. Ding proved he is a formidable calculator, and he generally showed why he belongs in the top 3 (rated players).>
<Initially my Italian opening and early middle game against Wesley So in the penultimate round didn’t look particularly promising. It is not obvious that the open b-file compensates for the double pawn in the c-file. More importantly, the resulting pawn structures hide an amazingly rich plethora of positional nuances and tactical tricks. He probably only got one chance to close down the position and afterwards he faced continuous difficulties. The second half of the game is well worth a closer look! He was probably lost already after 29.Ne8. I played slightly inaccurately in the rook ending, but he didn’t put up the most stubborn defense. 1-0.
Ding was sole leader with +2 before the last round, and he seemed content playing a draw. As black against Vachier-Lagrave I was hoping he would play aggressively to try to secure an overall top-4 placement in the Grand Chess Tour to reach the final in London in December. My Rossolimo structure looks somewhat dubious, but I think it is actually quite sound. His early h4-h5 break looked premature, and black was probably not worse at all. I could have played 20… Qf8 with a small advantage, but I felt it was too little and Nc6 instead kept the tension. I suspected his 22.Nf3 simply was a blunder, and although he surprised me with 24.Rd3 keeping maximum tension, I continued to think that he was objectively lost. While getting gradually lower on the clock, I managed to keep relatively cool, and as expected my attack was more dangerous than his.
The play-off against Ding Liren this morning was not particularly fun. I was not in great shape, as opposed to Ding who played really well. I managed to salvage the two Rapid games, but in first Blitz game I made a mistake early on and had to give a pawn. He converted the extra pawn into a won endgame. In practice it was not so easy and when I hesitated to claim a three-fold draw fearing that a faulty claim resulting in one more minute for him would give him sufficient time to find a killing blow, I lost on time instead. The second Blitz game was very interesting, and I thought I had an advantage after Nc6! He found the amazing continuation Bxc6 Qxc3 Bxd5 Qa5 Bxe4! as g5 winning a piece gives no more than a draw after Ba8! I had to play on without capturing on f6 and lost instead.
Congratulations to Ding Liren on a well-deserved victory!
Anand and Karjakin shared 3rd, although Anand could well have won overall had he converted just two more of his many promising and winning positions.
In the Zagreb and St.Louis classical events I scored +7 in 22 games against the rest of the elite and even gained a few rating points overall. Combined I’m highly satisfied with my results in these events!
Right now I’m glad I decided against playing the World Cup. I need another long break and some time back home. I will instead follow the World Cup as a keen online spectator, and get prepared for the Isle of Man tournament mid October and the Fischer Random World Championship back home late October.
Heartfelt thanks to Jeanne and Rex Sinquefield and the staff and volunteers at the St.Louis Chess Club for a great event!
Magnus Carlsen, St.Louis 29.August 2019>
|Sep-12-19|| ||torrefan: Mahina na talaga. Even Magnus says so|
|Sep-12-19|| ||ex0duz: <keypusher: <Sokrates> I assume because Liren (or Li Ren) is two different characters in Chinese. His full name: 丁立人>|
Yeah. 3 characters in Chinese so i put 3 words/characters in English.
<<Ding Liren (DL): My first name is Liren and my family name is Ding. Everyone in China calls me Ding Liren. Usually people call me with my full name or the first name, but using my family name is also fine.>
It seems to me that DL, meanwhile having become a cosmopolitan, doesn't feel offended or regard it rude, when "people" call him Ding Liren, Ding, or Liren. He seems to be quite relaxed in this matter. I have never seen his first name spelled Li Ren, and since DL must have seen it zillion times spelled Liren - which should be taken as an acceptance - I wonder why you think it's Li Ren.>
Yeah I'm just giving out cultural context, Liren is not the "preferred" name and has association with familiarity/closeness even if Ding doesn't take offence to it. It's just good to know these things when deciding what to call him and in what context etc.
It's like in Japanese, you wouldn't/shouldn't call strangers by their first name or use -chan even if others use it unless you are also close like the other person who said it.
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