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| Dec-11-11 | | dgbuckmeister: <brankat: <Karlsbad 1911 · Spanish Game: Closed. Pilnik Variation (C90) · 1-0>
The game was played in 1911, GM Herman Pilnik was born in 1914. So, why is the variation named after him? :-)> Interest in chess is often passed down from father to son. The opening was probably named after his father. |
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| Dec-11-11 | | dgbuckmeister: I got thru to Qxf5 but missed "the GOOT" Qg6! |
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| Dec-11-11 | | DarthStapler: I got the first 3 moves |
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| Dec-11-11 | | Dr. J: Color me somewhat skeptical here - it seems that none of the posters who called this one relatively easy have explained why 24 Qg6 was necessary and why Teichmann didn't play 24 Re3 directly. I have seen a few published analyses, all giving 24 Qg6 a ! or a !!, describing it as "the sort of quiet move that is very difficult to see in advance". |
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| Dec-11-11 | | stst: expect a long sequence, but first sight and actually even after a second's reflection, is still
19.Bxf7+
lots of variation, but probably the main line would be
19..KxB
20.Nxe5+ Pxe5
21.Qh5+ g6
22.Qxh7+ Ke6
23.Ng7+ Kd7
24.NxR KxN
25.Re3... etc
and W has the initiatives. |
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| Dec-11-11 | | M.Hassan: "Insane" White to play 19.?
Sides are equal
I went threough 3 different lines all starting with 19.Bxf7+. All 3 lines end up with advantage for White and in here I write the line that appealed to me the most with the help of Chessmaster19.Bxf7+ Kxf8
20.Nxd6 Qd7
21.Ng5 Qxd6
22.Qf3 Nf5
23.Qxf5 Rfb8
24.Bd5+ Ke7
25.Qf7+ Kd8
26.Ne6+ Kc8
27.Nxc5 Qe7
28.Qxe7 Nxe7
29.Bxb7+ Rxb7
30.Nxb7 Kxb7
White enters endgame with clear material advantage |
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| Dec-11-11 | | M.Hassan: Sorry
Correction:
19.Bxf7+ Kf8 <not Kxf8> |
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| Dec-12-11 | | jackalope: Thank you, <Scormus>! <rilkefan>, in the <20. ... Kf6> line, you recommend <23. Qg4> and <karizen> recommends <21. Qg4> - doesn't the earlier Qg4 lessen the pressure on Black? In my line, if <25. ... Nf4 26. Qf5+> and White's attack continues. Or am I missing something? |
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| Dec-12-11 | | rilkefan: <<jackalope>: in the <20. ... Kf6> line, you recommend <23. Qg4> and <karizen> recommends <21. Qg4> - doesn't the earlier Qg4 lessen the pressure on Black?> Stockfish appears to think that the Qg4 lines just transpose with best play. <In my line, if <25. ... Nf4 26. Qf5+>> SF was suggesting 25...Bc8. It prefers not to play Qg4 in the first place, as Bc8 drives the Q to g3, where she becomes a little exposed to Rg8 and blocks g2->g3 holding f4 - in fact it plays Qg3->Qf3->d1 after Bc8 and after a long think decides the position is only worth half a pawn (which is admittedly hard to believe given all those passers). Instead it prefers 25.h4. |
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| Dec-12-11 | | jackalope: Thanks for looking it over, <rilkefan>. I see what you're saying - as there is no immediate mate solution, it makes sense for White to consolidate his position. |
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| Mar-02-15 | | Ulhumbrus: According to Edward Lasker Teichmann said that 24 Qg6!! was the move which Schlechter had overlooked: An immediate 24 Re3 would have allowed 24...g6 whereas after 24 Qg6 Black could not defend his second rank in that way. |
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| Apr-07-15 | | RookFile: Horowitz said that Teichmann was blind in one eye but had keen tactical sight of the board. |
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Apr-07-15
 | | al wazir: 25...Ne7 26. Qh7+ Kf8 27. Rf3+ Nf5 28. Rxf5+ Ke7 29. Rf7+, etc. Or 26. Qf7+ Kh8 27. Rh3+ Qxh3 28. gxh3 Bc8. (If, e.g., 28...Rab8, then 29. Ne6.) |
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| Apr-07-15 | | shivasuri4: 25...Ne7 is better met with 26.Qf7+ Kh8 27.Ne6, forcing 27...Qxe6 owing to the threat of 28.Rh3#. |
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| Apr-07-15 | | morfishine: Teichmann was one of the more dangerous players from that era; If you took your eye off him for just a second, watch out |
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| Apr-07-15 | | ajile: Doesn't the modern variation of this opening have Black playing g6 to stop the White knight invasion of f5? Black plays ..Rfe8,..g6,..Bf8 and then ..Bg7 giving Black a more robust K-side. |
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| Apr-07-15 | | Moszkowski012273: 23.exf5... looks stronger. |
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| Apr-07-15 | | dunican: This pun is pretty awesome. Not only was it really Carl's bad day in Karlsbad but "bad" translates to German as "schlecht." So I guess he was lucky it wasn't an even worse day for him. |
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| Apr-07-15 | | pedro99: I think this was in Vukovic's 'Art of Attack in Chess', an excellent and still rewarding book which someone has yet to return to me! |
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Apr-07-15
 | | kevin86: White will mate quickly... |
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| Apr-07-15 | | Amarande: On the topic of 24 Qg6 vs 24 Re3 ... it is indeed largely subjective - objectively, at depth 19 (which my silicon reaches in just a few seconds), Rybka gives an evaluation of 4.58 in favour of White at the end of the game as played, while inputting 24 Re3 g6 25 Qxg6+ Qg7 instead gives an evaluation of 4.21 at the same depth, so both moves are clearly winning. However, from the practical standpoint, Qg6 is definitely the better choice even if the objective difference is small - after this, Black is definitely forced to almost immediately give up the Queen for the Rook in order to prevent rapid mate; thus, White is left with Q+2P for R+B and still has his Queen and Knight in virulent attacking formation as well. After Re3, the winning line gets much more complicated to enforce the Q for R trade (exchanging Queens leads to a material-even - White has three Pawns for the Bishop - endgame that appears to lead to a draw); in this regard Rybka gives (after g6 25 Qxg6+ Qg7): 
click for larger view 22 01:04 38,311k 613k +4.34 Qg6-h5 Nc6-e7 Ng5-e6 Qg7-h7 Re3-g3+ Kg8-h8 Qh5-g5 Ne7-g8 Ne6-g7 Re8-e7 Ng7-f5 Ra8-f8 Rg3-h3 Qh7xh3 Thus, in the end, 24 Qg6 was definitely far more in order. |
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Apr-07-15
| | al wazir: <shivasuri4: 25...Ne7 is better met with 26.Qf7+ Kh8 27.Ne6>. True. Thanks. |
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Dec-14-17
 | | plang: The bishop has little to do after 13..Bb7?!; 13..Be6, 13..Re8 or 13..h6 are alternatives. Perhaps 16..Bf8 would have been an improvement. Also 17..Bd8 looks better than what was played. A pretty variation would have been 20..Kf6 21 Nxh7+..Kf7 22 Ng5+..Kf6 23 Nxg7!. 24 Qg6! is the key move - the type of move that players like me never consider. |
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May-27-22
 | | kingscrusher: Great win and fantastic tournament for Teichmann Wiki indicates:
"Richard Teichmann (24 December 1868 – 15 June 1925) was a German chess master. He was known as "Richard the Fifth" because he often finished in fifth place in tournaments. But in Karlsbad 1911, he scored a convincing win, crushing Akiba Rubinstein and Carl Schlechter with the same line of the Ruy Lopez. José Raúl Capablanca called him "one of the finest players in the world".[1] Edward Lasker recounted the witty way in which Teichmann demonstrated the Schlechter win in his book Chess Secrets I learned from the Masters, and generally admired Teichmann's mastery." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richa... |
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May-12-23
 | | jffun1958: "Chess is 99 percent tactics."
Richard Teichmann (1908) |
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