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| Sep-07-12 | | CharlesSullivan: As <J.A. Topfke> has pointed out on 18 November 2003, 22.Nd6! looks like a saving resource for White. And there is still something to be said for Nd6 at move 23: 23.Nd6 Bxd6 24.Bxe8 Bc7 25.c6 e4 26.cxb7 Qxh2+ 27.Kf1 exf3 28.gxf3 Bg3 29.Qxd4 Rxe8 <Kasparov misses White's saving move>
click for larger view30.Rd3!!! (Kasparov gave 30.Rc3 as White's best -- but losing -- move) 30...Qe2+ 31.Kg1 Bh2+ 32.Kh1 Be5 33.Qxe5!! Qxe5 34.Rc8! Qe1+ 35.Kg2 Qe2+ 36.Kh3 f4 37.Rdc3 Qe6+ 38.Kg2 Qg6+ 39.Kh1 Qh6+ 40.Kg2 Qg6+ <Despite his material advantage, Black can't win>
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Black must give perpetual check, DRAW!
However, as Topfke has pointed out, Black has a winning move in this variation (after 23.Nd6 Bxd6 24.Bxe8 Bc7 25.c6): <J.A. Topfke finds the win for Black>
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25...Bc8! wins; for example: 26.Bd7 e4!! 27.Bxc8 d3! 28.Qc5 Bd6 29.Qxd6 Qxd6 30.Ba6 d2 31.Rc3 e3 32.Be2 f4 33.Ra3 Qxc6 34.Rxa5 Qf6 35.g3 Qxb2 36.Kf1 g6 37.a4 Qd4 38.Rb5 Qxa4 39.Rc5 Kg7 40.Kg2 Kh6 41.Rc7 Qb3 42.Rc5 g5 43.Rb5 Qc2 44.Rb6+ Kg7 45.Rb4 h5 46.Rd4 Qc5 47.Re4 Qd6 48.Ra4 Rc8 49.Rda1 Kg6 50.Ra6 Rc6 51.R6a4 h4 52.g4 Rc2 53.Kh3 Rc1 54.Ra6 Rc6 55.Ra8 Qd5 56.Rb1 Qe6 57.Rbb8 Rd6 58.Rg8+ Kh6 59.Rge8 Qb3 60.Rh8+ Kg7
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Black wins. |
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| Sep-07-12 | | CharlesSullivan: In the game, White could have drawn with
<Game position after 24...exf3 25.Rc2 Qe3>
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26.Rf2!
Kasparov does not mention 26.Rf2 in My Great Predecessors (published 2003), and Nunn/Burgess/Emms do not mention 26.Rf2 in The World's Greatest Chess Games until the 3rd edition of 2010. After 26.Rf2 was discovered (perhaps by Guerrero Sanmarti [see <J.A. Topfke>, 18 November 2003]), the search was on to find where Black's play could be improved to save this masterpiece. The result of this search: Burgess inserted a brief note at Black's 24th move: "24...Qe3+ 25.Kh1 exf3 is the correct move order." But is this move order any better? <Analysis position: Does Black win?>
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After 26.Rf1!! fxg2+ 27.Kxg2 Rxe8 28.cxb7 Qe4+ 29.Kg1 Qxb7 30.Qf7 
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White has a perfectly acceptable position.
So the real error was not 24...exf3, but 25...Qe3+. As <Magorian> pointed out on 17 September 2006, the strongest move in this position <Analysis: Magorian found the best move in 2006!>
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is 25...Ba6!!! and Black's attack should win after 26.Qxa6 e4! |
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Aug-06-14
 | | kevin86: Wow! This was a great game with the black triplets on the seventh! |
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| Nov-19-14 | | Ke2: for all the fairly bad games in this match, this one is a real jewel, mostly for that final position |
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| Dec-01-14 | | welhelm1982: About ten yearsago ihadseen this gameand i studied it well and it is one of games that changed my style |
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| Jun-28-15 | | Shoukhath007: the end position was 3 pawns on the 7th rank watch the video step by step analysis
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SU1ke... |
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Nov-24-15
 | | Domdaniel: <welhelm> - < i studied it well and it is one of games that changed my style>
Interesting. You mean that you consciously gave up a modern style and switched to an 1830s style of play? Is that even possible? In an another sphere, we can admire Shakespeare or Milton, but literally trying to write in their manner would be quite odd. I suppose that games like this might inspire one to be more direct, more tactical. But the naïve, if brilliant, style on show here can't really be replicated. There's a story by Borges, about a man who sets out to rewrite Don Quixote, word for word -- Pierre Menard. It seems relevant. |
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| Nov-24-15 | | Marmot PFL: <Domdaniel> Ever seen the book of Mormon? 19th century religion written in 16th century English (an obvious imitation of the KJV Bible). |
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Nov-24-15
 | | Robed.Bishop: Perhaps <welhelm1982> IS Pierre Menard. |
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Nov-24-15
| | Domdaniel: <Marmot> Yeah, I've actually read (some of) the Book of Mormon. I thought it was a fascinating read -- so clearly derived from the King James Bible, with a dash of 19th century mystic history. And there are still people who regard it as being divinely inspired. Just as people do with the Bible, Quran, Torah, etc. In defiance of textual analysis. |
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Nov-24-15
| | Domdaniel: <Robed.Bishop> Now you're giving me ideas for a story... "<welhelm1982, Winner of a Match with LaBourdonnais>... |
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May-10-16
 | | Penguincw: Video analysis of this game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJn.... |
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| Jun-03-16 | | The Kings Domain: Nice, pretty complex game by the two leading masters of their day, capped by the famous pawn march. Chessgames should create a page for the landmark De la Bourdonnais-McDonnell match in the Tournament Index section of the site. I'm surprised it still hasn't been done yet. |
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| Jul-30-16 | | Tal1949: I still do not get it. McDonnell plays 25.Rc2 and does not follow it up with 26. Rf2. Instead he moves the King and weakens his position dramatically. What was he thinking? |
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| Jul-30-16 | | Ultra: <The Kings Domain: Nice, pretty complex game by the two leading masters of their day, capped by the famous pawn march. Chessgames should create a page for the landmark De la Bourdonnais-McDonnell match in the Tournament Index section of the site. I'm surprised it still hasn't been done yet.> A motion has been advanced and I second it! |
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| Oct-28-16 | | clement41: Astonishing early Sveshnikov! Def deserves more fame |
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| May-08-17 | | MichaelAndrewLo: A wonderful analysis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkG... |
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Nov-12-17
 | | ChessCoachClark: <morphynoman2: In "Kasparov Teaches Chess", the former World Champion says about the final position of this game: "This position, where the small pawns were victorious over the enemy, was so surprising that it seemed like a fairy tale and I was unable to live without chess after seeing it. I have admired this position ever since". (Kasparov was then 6 years old)">
I have read this book and found this game intriguing as well as a motivator to beginners. Nunn and abhor reliance upon games before 1999, but true gems must be promoted. Yes! |
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| Oct-22-18 | | 0ZeR0: In my estimation this is the most ideal game ever played. I never tire of it. |
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| Jan-30-19 | | Damenlaeuferbauer: The first immortal game in the history of chess. The modern dynamic of black's play is astounishing - this could be a game, which is played by two GMs/IMs today in an open or robin-round tournament all over the world (of course not a super-elite event). Every chess player in past and present would be very proud to play such a game from the black side of the board. |
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| Feb-02-19 | | Albanius: I don't think a modern GM would play 5 Nxc6, losing a net tempo (three N moves to one plus the pawn capture) while giving B a extra center P.
The eventual punishment more than fit the latter positional crime. |
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| Feb-03-19 | | Damenlaeuferbauer: <Albanius> In principle you are right, but in fact the two GMs Bozidar Ivanovic (Yugoslavia/Montenegro) and Ratmir Kholmov (Soviet Union / Russia) [both rated over Elo 2500] played 5. Nxc6. Just for the records, after 1. e4,c5 2. Nf3,Nc6 3. d4,cxd4 4. Nxd4,Nf6 5. Nc3,d6 6. Bc4,Qb6 later WC Anatoly Karpov played 7. Nxc6 (A. Karpov - Leonid Stein, 39th Soviet Championship Leningrad 1971, 1-0). In my only tournament game with the Sicilian Kalashnikov 1993, White also played 5. Nxc6 followed by Nc3, Bc4 and Bg5, I was unable to win with the black pieces and finally lucky with a draw. |
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| Sep-15-19 | | RandomVisitor: After 21...Kh8
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After 22.Nd6 Bxd6 23.Ba4 Qxc5 24.Qxc5 Bxc5
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<50/93 1:20:25 -0.35 25.Rxc5> Re7 26.f4 exf4 27.Rxd4 g6 28.Rxf4 Rd8 29.Rc1 Re2 30.Rc2 Re1+ 31.Rf1 Re4 32.Rc7 Bd5 33.b3 Rd4 34.Bc6 Bxc6 35.Rxc6 Rd2 36.Rf2 Rxf2 37.Kxf2 Rd2+ 38.Kg3 Rxa2 39.Rc7 a4 40.bxa4 Rxa4 41.Kf3 h5 42.g3 Kg8 43.Rd7 Re4 44.Rc7 Kf8 45.h4 Re7 46.Rc4 Kg7 47.Kf4 Kh6 48.Kf3 Re1 49.Kf2 Rd1 50.Kg2 Kg7 51.Ra4 49/83 1:20:25 -0.65 25.Bxe8 Bb6 26.Bc6 Ba6 27.Kh1 g6 28.h3 Rf6 29.Ba8 Be2 30.Rd2 Bb5 31.b3 Rf8 32.Bb7 Rb8 33.a4 Be8 34.Bd5 Rd8 35.Bb7 Bf7 36.Rc6 Ba7 37.Ra6 Bc5 38.Rd3 Bb4 39.Rb6 Rd7 40.g4 Re7 41.gxf5 gxf5 42.Ba6 Kg7 43.f4 e4 44.Rxb4 exd3 45.Rxd4 Re4 46.Rxd3 Rb4 47.Kg2 Bxb3 48.Kg3 Bxa4 49.Rd5 Bc6 50.Rd6 Rb3+ 51.Kf2 Rb2+ 52.Kg3 Rg2+ 53.Kh4 Be4 54.Rd7+ Kf6 55.Bc4 |
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Sep-30-19
 | | GrahamClayton: <Phony Benoni>
"Black has accomplished nothing but giving up queens on three successive moves. An interesting achivement, but otherwise it's hasta la vista." <Phony Benoni>
The two white rooks capture on e1, and the two black pawns capture and promote on e1, all in the space of just two moves. |
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| Oct-01-19 | | spingo: <Ultra: <The Kings Domain: ...
Chessgames should create a page for the landmark De la Bourdonnais-McDonnell match in the Tournament Index section of the site. I'm surprised it still hasn't been done yet.> A motion has been advanced and I second it!> The trouble is, they did not play one match, they played about 6 matches totaling about 87 games. That makes it a lot of work, especially as resolving correct dates would be tedious. |
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