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Augustus Mongredien vs Valentine Green
"Happy Valentine's Knight" (game of the day Feb-14-2013)
5th BCA Congress, London (1862), London ENG
King's Gambit: Accepted. Bishop's Gambit Cozio Variation (C33)  ·  0-1



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Feb-14-06  notsodeepthought: Happy Valentine's Knight.
Oct-02-06  sneaky pete: It's a pity black missed 19... Qxh2.
Feb-03-09  A.G. Argent: <sneaky pete> <...a pity black missed 19...Qxh2.> Actually, the larger miss is 19...Nxh2+ 20.Rxh2 Qxh2 and it's impossible to fend off mate. If 21.Bf2 Qh1+ 22.Bg1 Qxg1# or 21.Ne2 Qh1+ 22.Ng1 Qxg1#. The only recourse Mongredien would have had was to throw his Queen under the bus with 21.Qf2 Bxf2. Whatever. It still turned out to be Valentine's day.
Feb-03-09  sneaky pete: 19... Nxh2+ 20.Rxh2 Qxh4 is even stronger indeed, when after 21.Qf2 .. I would prefer 21... Qh1+ 22.Qg1 Qxg1#.
Feb-03-09  A.G. Argent: <sneaky pete> Natuurlijk wilde u 20.Qxh2 zeggen. Een van beide manier, jonge, zou sneller dan achtervolgd lijn Groen geweest zijn. Maar als zei ik, het didn't kweeste. Hij won hoe dan ook. It's dat u ving mijn kibitz twee en een half later jaren intereseert. Whatever. Juicht toe.
Feb-04-09  sneaky pete: Fascinating stuff from Babelfish, as always. <Kweeste>. My dictionary only gives the verb "kweesten (kweestte, h. gekweest): wijze van vrijen die nog lange tijd op sommige Waddeneilanden in zwang (!) was, waarbij de vrijer 's nachts door de open deur naar binnen ging om op het bed v.h. meisje te gaan zitten". Juicht toe!
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  GrahamClayton: 8.♗e2? was a weak move. 8.g3 is much better, eg 8...fg3 9.♔g2 ♕h5 10.hg3 ♕g6, forcing the Black Queen to retreat.
Feb-14-13  PaulLovric: happy Valentines day
Feb-14-13  morfishine: Go Green
Feb-14-13  MuzioFan: After 19... Nxh2+ 20. Rxh2 Qxh2 isn't white saved by 21. Ne4, creating an escape square for the king on e2? A possible continuation is 21... Qg1+ 22. Ke2 f5 where I still like black better, but at least it's not instant mate.
Feb-14-13  Poulsen: <A.G.Argent>< The only recourse Mongredien would have had was to throw his Queen under the bus with 21.Qf2 Bxf2. Whatever.>

Hmm, actually after 19.-,Nxh2 20.Rxh2,Qxh2 white can play 21.Ne4 leaving e2 as an escape route for the king. Its still hopeless off course, but there is no immidiate mate.

On 19.-,Qxh2 white can play 20.Qh3. Again hopeless, but still no mate. Here off course 20.-,Ne3+ 21.Ke2,Nxg2+ would lead most players to grow beard at the board! F.x. 22.Kf1,Ne3# or 22.Kd1,Rxe1+ ( +) or 22.Kd2,Be3+ ( +) etc.

Feb-14-13  Abdel Irada: I imagine Mongredien felt thoroughly mondegreened after *this* debacle.
Feb-14-13  ossipossi: A good idea is, as you choose to gambit your KBP, to keep on attacking Black. Almost everything is better than 8.Be2.
Feb-14-13  goodevans: Isn't 17...Bd4+ simpler? E.g. 18.Bf2 Bxf2+ 19.Kf1 Qh4 20.Nd1 Rfe8.
Feb-14-13  gofer: <sneakypete> Indeed! Both 19 ... Qxh2 and 19 ... Nxh2+ are fun to explore...

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  kevin86: Black will have six isolated pawns...but he will be a knight and two pawns ahead.
Feb-14-13  master of defence: kevin86: Black will have knight and FOUR pawns up, since 30.hxg5 Nxf3 followed by Nxg5.
Feb-14-13  Monkeyboy56: Am I missing something? On move 20 instead of Nxc2+, doesn't 20...Nxg2+ win the queen immediately?
Feb-14-13  rilkefan: Oh dang, "And Laid Him On The Green" would have been perfect for this.
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  Phony Benoni: <Monkeyboy56 Am I missing something? On move 20 instead of Nxc2+, doesn't 20...Nxg2+ win the queen immediately?>

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It looks like it, and you seem to be the first to have noticed. In fact, the kibitzing has shown so many other easier wins for Black that I suspected a scoresheet error, but a check of the tournament book showed that everything was in order.

Green finished tied for last in the tournament with only two wins, so maybe we can give him a break here.

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