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Simon Winawer vs Samuel Rosenthal
London (1883), London ENG, rd 4, May-02
Vienna Game: Vienna Gambit. Steinitz Gambit Zukertort Defense (C25)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Aug-19-05  Autoreparaturwerkbau: This must be the shortest draw by repetition. Or at least the oldest short one ;)
Jul-05-06  LuckyBlunder: Yes, I suppose this must be the reason why this game is included in the "Most Notable Games" of Simon Winawer :D
Dec-08-06  Akuni: its in Rosenthals most notable games too
Feb-25-07  IMDONE4: why did black go for the draw?
Feb-25-07  Shams: black is not better, and may in fact be worse. 9...Ne8 10.Nf3 and black must already be very careful; 11. Bb5+ and Re1 are threatened.
Feb-25-07
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  laskereshevsky: in a 26 rounds tournament a day of rest ( for both) could be allowed......
Apr-11-07
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  keypusher: Steinitz suffered a couple of bad losses in this tournament when he avoided the draw for White.

Steinitz vs Chigorin, 1883

Steinitz vs Englisch, 1883

Jan-06-09  YoungEd: I think that <Shams> is right. Still, it seems weird that anyone who would offer a Vienna Gambit--or accept it--would agree to a draw so quickly! This is a fighting opening!
Mar-25-09  WhiteRook48: what an early repetition
Apr-23-09  Raisin Death Ray: I'm sorry, are we too tired to play, today?
Nov-01-11  OBIT: Possibly both players felt like taking the day off. White can certainly play for a win, notwithstanding Steinitz's losses to Chigorin and Englisch in the same tournament - see keypusher's post for links to the games. After 9. Kg2 Bd6 10. Qe1+ (10. dxc6? was Steinitz's first mistake in his loss to Englisch) Nce7 11. hxg3 Qxd4 12. Nf3 (Steinitz was struggling after 12. Rh4 in his game with Chigorin) Qb6 (after 12...Qf6, Chigorin as White played 13. Bg5 Qg6 14. Bb5+ in a postal game) 13. Bb5+ c6 14. Be3 Qc7 15. dxc6 bxc6, and White is doing fine after either 16. Ba4 or 16. Rd1.
Mar-31-16  Exploding: <Shams> 9...♘e8 is an illegal move.
Apr-19-16  zanzibar: Blackburne lodged a complaint about this game, as Minchin writes:

<[Concerning this game, which
otherwise would require no com
ment, Mr. Blackburne made a
formal complaint to the Committee
charging both players with trans
gressing the 15th Rule of the Tour
nament, a charge which the Com
mittee refused to entertain. It is
sufficient to point out that Mr.
Steinitz had at this time lost two
games in endeavouring to evade
the perpetual check in this Open
ing. It was impossible for Mr. Winawer to know that M. Rosen thal would play the form of the
Opening leading to this early draw,
and when he had so played it was
not to be expected that Mr.Winawer
would run the great risk of a lost
game to avoid the draw. The
Steinitz Opening certainly affords
the second player, content with a
draw and anxious for a day's rest,
the opportunity to secure his ob
ject very easily, but to charge
players with entering into a com
pact on such grounds is a monstrous
assumption.>

TB G-199 p257/322

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