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Carl Schlechter vs Walter John
"Look: Ne5 Monster" (game of the day Aug-19-2015)
Barmen Meisterturnier A (1905), Barmen GER, rd 8, Aug-22
Queen's Gambit Declined: Queen's Knight Variation (D31)  ·  1-0

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Aug-19-15
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  FSR: It's been a long time since I played over this one. It's a beauty.
Aug-19-15  SeanAzarin: Great game. Excellent use of constriction strategy.

A similar pun was used for this game, also a beauty but of the tactical variety:

Nezhmetdinov vs Tal, 1957

Aug-19-15  Abdel Irada: <It is surprising that White suddenly begins an attack on the Queen's side. But that is the epic of Schlechter's game mentioned at the commencement of this chapter. He carries out operations apparently not concerted on different parts of the board, so that one has the impression that a game with no clear preconceived objective is in progress. And it is only at the end that one perceives for the first time the connection of things seemingly disconnected, with the result that the game is rounded off into one great homogeneous whole.>

Increasingly, I think we are learning that chess is like Go in this respect: that strategic play in one part of the board is really strategic play on the whole board. Nothing happens in isolation; all is part of the same caissic ecosystem, and a pawn wiping its feet on b4 can cause a hurricane on the kingside.

Aug-19-15
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  morfishine: <Adbel Irada> The 'Butterfly Effect' ?
Aug-19-15  Imran Iskandar: Really nice game. I like the fact that Schlechter had the power to push his kingside pawns to barrage his opponent's king knowing full well that none of Black's pieces could slip through and harass the White king.
Aug-19-15
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  thegoodanarchist: Am I the only one who thinks the pun is awful?
Aug-19-15
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  kevin86: The "stalled" attack opens up on the queen side with a pawn thrust!
Aug-19-15  tonsillolith: I undon my hat to the creator of today's pun.
Aug-19-15  mrknightly: Not too schlect, if I do say so.
Aug-19-15
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  HeMateMe: great game, not sure if get the pun.
Aug-19-15  CommaVid: This game is very well played, white manages to improve his position almost every single move.
Aug-19-15
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  HeMateMe: A mistake I make in playing this opening with white is im worried about trading bishops on the f file, getting doubled pawns. Because the pawn block is still strong, the doubled f pawns don't really matter, and black's bad bishop is still sealed in.

Textbook play on how to strangle a position with a locked in bishop.

Aug-19-15  BOSTER: This is pos. white to play 47.


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My Q is:
Does white really need another half of the board (queen's side) to win this game playing f7 and h5?

Aug-19-15  RookFile: The opening was strange. White plays 5. Bf4 and black responds with ...Bd6. I know that sometimes it's ok for black if white gets in this swap of dark squared bishops, but in this case black went out of his way to make it happen.
Aug-19-15
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  johnlspouge: @<BOSTER>: No. After moving the White K to f4, I tried the plan

[1].h5 gxh5
[2].g6 hxg6
[3].Kg5 any
[4].Nxg6 Bxg6
[5].Kxg6

and Stockfish had to give up the Black R and lose.

Aug-20-15  Abdel Irada: In a sense, <morfishine>. Except here, as is not so clear with Chaos Theory, it is really demonstrable that the whole board is an interlocking whole, and a modest move on one side of the board can often produce profound consequences on the other.

Of course, this point is much more obvious in the case of Go, where the difference between a 4-4 and a 4-3 opening (both fairly popular ways to begin a game) suddenly turns out to be important, many moves later, when one side either can link to the resulting structure in that area or not, or when the opponent can or cannot invade and construct a living group inside that structure.

Aug-20-15
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  morfishine: <Adbel Irada> Yes, GO is a fascinating game. I only first played GO a few years ago and don't really understand all the rules, but it really is interesting. Curiously, at least for me, the Wiki article does a better job explaining all the rules than the actual rule book that came with my game: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_%2...

*****

Aug-20-15  BOSTER: <John: 1.h5>.
NO. 1.f7.
I don't move white King.
Try again, please.
Aug-21-15  Abdel Irada: Must be something wrong with the Chess Viewer.

In the final position, Black's pawn on f7 looks swollen and deformed, and its head looks pointier than it ought.

Sep-04-15  DarthStapler: Does anyone know any games with a decisive move on b8? Because I want to submit one with the pun "Gr8 b8 m8"
Sep-04-15
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  beatgiant: <DarthStapler>
Lots of them, Alekhine vs Reshevsky, 1937 35. Rxb8+ for one famous example.
Sep-18-15  Andratos95: Why did black play Na6 on move 18? Since white's knight on e5 is so good, what is wrong with Nd7, which challanges it?
Sep-18-15
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  beatgiant: <Andratos95>
Welcome to the site.

On 18...Nd7, White replies 19. Qe7 and wins some material.

Nov-19-19  Swedish Logician: Jon Speelman, in his Best Chess Games 1970-1980, pointed to this game Miles vs Ulf Andersson, 1980 as a late descendant of Schlechter's technique.
Nov-19-19
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  FSR: A classic masterpiece.
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